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@JohnnyGoodyear Attack does many things right and it sounds amazing
But it does as some have pointed out have limitations like no automation, 1-bar patterns, no way to loop multiple patterns and locked time-signature & grid-resolution can be real creativity killers. And I'm still surprised that the non-working AudioPaste got thru the beta-testing phase, why Waldorf why????
I can only guess or imagine that a lot of folks/companies are almost designing 'debut release/first public testing/inevitable update' into their build strategy. Perhaps they don't consider that to be a big deal PR-wise. For all of that, non-working AP has GOT to just be a SNAFU.
Surely.
Gosh this fence is difficult to climb off, the comments whilst generally good are sloping southward as time goes on. No midi learn but are there any set cc mappings for the knobs and dials?
@JohnnyGoodyear
Inevitable trend. We're seeing the same with desktop DAW software... most stuff seems to be under continual development and each update solves a few problems and adds a few more.
Still stuck on the fence here too - and since Waldorf have put zero effort into marketing Attack only a tempting Doug vid can knock me off this one...
@Carnbot et al I think it's going to be a great bit of kit, eventually, but wait for The Doug is probably about right (says he who didn't wait of course...).
Same for me on ios7.
Not considering this app any longer at least at the present. This will not be the first time the audiobus forum has helped me from wasting my cash, thanks to everyone for the good work. Still interested in seeing if the app gets the much needed love before putting it back on my wish list for now at least. In the interim I have both fingerbeat and the widly acclaimed and loved Diode to keep my fingers and ears occupied.
yep if I can make it til 1am without buying it , then I can hold out for Doug's take on it. Even with the initial 1.0 problems it's tempting at the sale price, since by the time the issues are resolved it'll be back to full price I expect.
@Samu: Thanks for your infos. I have contacted Waldorf als well as I need to loop my song!
Let's hope for a quick fix. Some Waldorf presence or dev on this forum could ease the pain...
There's someone from Waldorf in the iPad Musicians FB group. Maybe someone will show up here if asked. It's a private group, so I won't copy/paste QA from there.
I will say within 20 minutes of DL'ing Attack I made a beat that rivaled Tremor (the FXpansion beast) in terms of smacking sound quality ..... iOS: deeply flawed / obscenely satisfying.
It is really disappointing to read about the issues with this. I don't think I've even purchased a single iOS music app this year (it has been really quiet out there, and I've got hardware to play with), and this is the only one I've been looking forward to. Doubly disappointing because midi sync is essential for me to really use an app (especially a drum app) with my gear, and even more disappointing because the core of this app had already been developed years ago as a VST, so it isn't like they lost time developing it from the ground up. I remember that Nave came out nearly fully-formed, so I can't imagine why they didn't apply the same level of care to this one. I'm still tempted to grab it just for sitting on the couch and making samples, but hopefully they can get some of these issues fixed (seriously, at least midi sync) before the sale price is over.
There's a better promo video on the discchord site and at least the audiocopy fix has already been submitted to Apple...
Some of the peeps who left those comments are right drama queens. IIt's good to hear that an update has already been submitted.
I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash, just that some of us will have saved a dollar or two, but be a bit pruned as a result etc.
@Diode101 @Flo26 good to know things are rolling on. Are there others than this forum out there?
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me a lot of (unscrupulous) developers are releasing apps and leaving it up to the early adapters to provide free bug testing. I guess this is going to become more common as Apple has stomped all over the 14 day money back thing.
There is NO excuse for a major company in releasing an app with so many bugs. Buy some older iPads and install multiple versions of iOS and TEST. If my business can do it for websites, and I'm minuscule in comparison to Waldorf, then anyone can.
Lots of bugs being reported - this. Should. Not. Happen.
This is Christian from Waldorf Music.
You can ask me questions directly and I´ll try to help as far as can.
I can confirm there is an AudioPaste bug and an stupid issue on non retina iPads. Sorry for that, was my fault!
An update is already submitted and should be available in the next few days.
It´s the first release version and there is always something people like, dislike or something that doesn't work as expected. Even big companies have that problem. We're all humans, I guess ;-)
Thanks in advance for all your ideas, critics and commendations.
Welcome!
Maybe I'll be persuaded into buying it soon...
But not as is. Guys over to you!
Added: when you beta test, try getting some of the guys on this forum on board. It will save/help a lot.
Many thanks for coming over
It looks like a potential winner. I have yet to buy it but would like to know if there's a chance of midi sync and midi learn in the future?
Thanks for your kind welcome. Yep, MIDI sync and MIDI learn are planned for a future update.
Great thanks, will definitely get it now knowing that's coming
I don't think this is just an iOS problem. I feel like I see it with a lot of hardware manufacturers as well. I think in the age of social media and 24 hour access, companies have more and more pressure to push products out to stay relevant, and that can sometimes mean tossing something out and waiting for the reports to come in. I think Korg are guilty of it, and much as I love Elektron I think they've done more and more of it with every product since the Octatrack.
@Christian great job, thanks for bringing Attack to iOS.
Sinapsya and redskylullaby were on the beta for this app, did they spot the acp fail? If they did, did they report it and get feedback from Waldorf? Maybe someone needs to ask..
If they had close contact with Waldorf during the beta, maybe they would get a more expedient response and resolution..
I used to work on videogames that got burned to CD. There was no way to fix them once they shipped. Manuals had to be printed. Boxes have to be made. They had to be shipped to stores and put up on shelves.
Plus we had to pass certification. We couldn't ship until Nintendo, Sega, Sony, Microsoft said we were solid.
Products are bigger now and there are expectations of ongoing improvements (and they are way, way cheaper now). If you held them until they were 100% baked, you'd go under. Honestly I liked it better in the old days, but they are gone. We all have to do a balancing act. Too buggy and we're toast. Too late and we're toast.
3rd party tools that are seen as necessary are said to be "easy" to add, but always cause problems somehow.
People bemoan missing launch features, but every feature added means less polish on the others.
I've been reading the autobiography of the guy who started Roland. These "big" companies aren't big. They are always in danger (or can be quickly). They aren't Berkshire Hathaway or Apple or Exxon.
@Christian, hats off to you for shipping!
Me, I purchased Attack within a heartbeat, bugs or not. I know Waldorf regularly updates their apps when things don't work right. They and Korg are trustworthy (unlike some other large software companies coughcakewalkcough who don't give two sh*tes about their customers to update any bugs their apps may have).
To anybody on the fence about Attack, yes the workflow is rather awkward at first, but it's worth it to learn it, understand it, get used to it, play with it, tweak it, etc. Attack is like that girl at the bar who seems cold and distant and difficult to understand, but once you sweet talk her just right, she's all yours. Then again, the way Attack is different than a girl is you can control when Attack "talks" to you as well as how much it talks and what it talks about. :P
In seriousness, the phrase vocoder is worth the price alone. It's like some next-level Giorgio Moroder stuff. Attack produces a super-clean low end perfect for certain types of basses and bassdrums. It's also sharp and punchy, so you'll not be in need of something to compress the sounds with. (Although if you want to compress the sounds anyway, Attack has a built-in compressor). Did I mention that phrase vocoder?
@Christian, any news about audioshare capabilities? Audioshare is a great way to bounce audio files back and forth.
The vocoder seems cool. Is it like http://www.plogue.com/products/chipspeech/ ?