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Which is worse? That or the videos where the creator makes a stupid face to get more clicks?
I honestly don't know. But I lean toward the stupid faces as being worse. 😂
😂😂
A human at least told the other human “I’ll give you money to feed your family if you make stupid faces with my product”
AI is offering you rosebuds.
That annoys the hell out of me too. I don't know which is worse, realizing that a friend or loved one really trusts that output without checking, or realizing that they think I'm the kind of person that would. Or realizing that they can't be bothered to provide actual source material when they're telling me I'm wrong about something.
A forum member recently did just that via PM over some trivial point in a thread. What really bugged me is this person is probably a lot more intelligent than I am. It was insulting in some way I can't quite put my finger on. I determined in under two seconds that I was done with the conversation.
You can ask ChatGPT to provide links to sources. In the rare times I use it, I use it as a more efficient search engine, but then take the time to go to sources and make up my own mind. I start from the stand of skeptisim no matter the source too. It's just the way I'm wired.
Very few are concerned about how the sausage is made, well until the time nears that they will become the sausage.
That sums it up perfectly @knewspeak 👍
...> @knewspeak said:
Except with generative art/music/what have you, everyone will be making the sausage.
Nobody cares if you use AI if you can use it the way that nobody finds it was actually used.
Which vast majority of people can't do, because it is really not easy and it is form of art itself :-)
😂
Do we need a "Nobody cares what you think of people using AI" thread?
(Sorry. I'm bored this morning.)
Haha.
@wim said:
Or just "Nobody cares what you think." 😂
That would be a great name for the forum.
This is a point of curiosity for me. What is it that draws the distinction between a GPT and a "generative" product? In either case, the fundamentals are the same:
There is no major high-level difference between a model that synthesizes text output in response to a prompt and one that synthesizes an image in response to a prompt. Despite that, I have noticed a skewed reception to text generation vs. what is commonly considered artistic generation. Not just here, but in general. And, to be sure, there are plenty of people who have no love for GPTs either.
I understand this thread is getting contentious, but I'm asking because I am really interested to understand. I think that writing is also a creative act, and I'm curious why generating an image is seen as more damaging than generating a piece of written work.
I have been running local models at home for a little while, and I agree that having a local search engine on my computer is pretty awesome. I also understand and agree on most points regarding the implications to creativity. My personal take is that this is a point of divergence between art and business, and likely an irreversible one.
Well, sometimes i feel like at current stage of humanity nobody cares what other people think.
This changes very soon.. did you saw this ? It allows run powerfull generative models locally.
I give it maybe 3-4 years and this kind of power will be inside your phone (or you will run personal LLM server like that one bellow and your phone will be remotelly connect to it using API - which is basically doable already now).
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/jetson-generative-ai-supercomputer/
Also i see potentialy huge transforation in people running such devides connected via internat into decentralized network capable of run big AGI.. that would be endgame .. Same way how Bitcoin created unstoppable decentralized hard money, this will create unstoppable decentralized AGI...
Hmm. Glad to know you aren't trying to be rude.
When I get responses like this, it makes me wonder if I've come across as condescending or rude myself. If I have, I apologize.
The bottom line is I don't know what people here do or don't know, and knowledge of how these systems work is what I have to share in this discussion. What seems pedantic to you may be useful information for someone who doesn't already know it. If it's not welcome, I'll take the hint.
I agree with pretty much everything you're saying regarding the output of the AI. You're right that pictures are much easier to weaponize than words. What makes me curious is how we've become so fragmented in our knowledge, and to be honest that is the thing that truly scares me about AI. In my observation, we see text-to-text, text-to-image, text-to-video, text-to-audio, and so on as being distinct from each other. In terms of their output they are, but in terms of what they are, they are fundamentally the same. To me, this lack of understanding is one vector through which we're going to lose control of it.
Where I think that relates to this thread and this larger forum of music creators is this: We seem to be OK with some things, and attack other things. If those things are built on the same general framework, where does that gray area come from? This is an all-or-nothing technology, in my opinion. I'm not calling you out for this, in fact you've made it clear you are uncommonly uniform in your feelings. But, it's something I see all over the internet and in the workplace.
I understand you are concerned with the loss of creativity and the sadness that brings. I am truly with you on that, while also being grateful that I'm still able to create for the joy of creating with as little "help" as I choose. That said, I'm a very technically-minded person, which you've been kind enough to point out, and I am equally concerned with our loss of knowledge and the sadness that brings for me.
Yes, you nailed it. This is happening! The $20/month internet-only era of ChatGPT will be seen in a few years as the tip of the iceberg. You can setup these local and decentralized networks already, and the next few years are going to be wild. However we feel about the consequences, we're all going on the ride now.
Also, Nvidia had another bombshell at CES:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/project-digits/
Or just the whole internet 😅
-time out-
i literally couldn’t care less about this , but since this temperature is continuing to rise, I’m going to issue a blanket statement/warning/however you want to take it, but let’s not let intelligence masque our emotional intent when posting clearly provocative messages, and if it continues here (or anywhere else) , threads that incite enough protest, flags, and outrage from other offended members or users will just be closed and messages will be edited accordingly: politics, religion and personal etc won’t be tolerated anymore in 2025 on…so please keep that in mind when engaging with someone you really know you should just ignore or not reply to
Thanks
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For those who are following NVIDIA and those interested in what is coming next, this is an interesting watch. It’s the CES keynote presentation from the CEO:
https://www.youtube.com/live/k82RwXqZHY8?si=2zZxBYV3-SsVb83d
Respectfully, this is not the way to foster collegial conversation.
Noted (respectfully)
Catching up on posts (it’s been a snowy winter so far…). Been learning a ton of new things, which has been awesome and overwhelming in equal measure.
The goal of this thread is to spark a conversation: Do people really care how a creative piece of work is made?
Here’s the thing—I’ve been using AI to organize my thoughts lately, and as an overthinker, it’s been a game-changer. I tend to dive into every angle of a topic, overanalyzing to the point where the core message gets lost in the noise. Tossing detailed prompts into tools like ChatGPT has helped me cut through the clutter, weighing the pros and cons without drowning in details.
Honestly, I’m thankful tools like this exist. Moving between fields is no joke. There’s this weight of knowledge to catch up on, and it’s not easy to navigate. Even with 15+ years of experience playing in bands and an engineering background, it still took me 2-3 years to find my footing in music production. Why? Because there were too many starting points, too many opinions on the “right way” to approach it, and none of it was tailored to where I actually was in my journey.
Now? I’ve embraced AI tools for more than just text. Image and video generation? Absolutely. I can visualize concepts, combine media, and build ideas without spending years drowning in tutorials. It’s like having a creative partner that speeds up the process without compromising the vision.
And as for the whole “AI overlord” conspiracy? I’m not losing sleep over it. Are there multiple entities watching our every move? Sure—several, in fact 😂. But when ChatGPT hit the scene, it shook things up in a way that forced competition to evolve. Microsoft teamed up with OpenAI for Copilot, Google rolled out Bard/Gemini, Apple held back (classic Apple move), and a wave of open-source alternatives emerged.
It reminds me of industrial robotics—same story, different industry. You’ve got the giants like KUKA, Fanuc, and Universal Robots, alongside budget-friendly competitors from places like China that can deliver similar results.
The playing field keeps shifting, but at the end of the day, it’s about how you adapt. And maybe that’s what creativity is all about—using what’s available to bring your ideas to life in ways that feel right for you.
Sadly, it seems that humanity caring about people even stops short of the thinking part.
We have to go back further than AI for the origins of that. It feels like the emergence of the Internet accelerated things enormously. I feel like it started back with media saturation numbing us to tragedy. But the de-personalization of internet communications has to be a huge factor as well.
It makes me think of the vast difference between how people think of and treat others when driving vs. how they would treat others in the line at the grocery store. (Though that's changing too.)
Also, I'll take the opportunity to apologize to anyone who was put off by my attempts to lighten the mood. I forget that people impassioned about a subject understandably see that only as insulting and/or trivializing a conversation.
Good to see some bickering and name calling back on the Forum. I was starting to think that the "Other" section had gone soft...