What's New in Korg Gadget 2.0

AndyPlankton

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@mschenkel.it said:

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
I really want a decent drum synth in Gadget.

I keep trying to get Tokyo to sound good but it never does... Anyone got anything decent out of Tokyo and can share?

What do you mean with decent?
When I use it I've quite always been satisfied from the results, giving that it is a streamline, 4 voices, 1 master Fx. Anyway IMO I get more interesting results in Tokyo rather than on iElectribe.

Really? I find it much easier to get a wider range of sounds out of iElectribe. And the quality of the sounds are better I think.

With Tokyo, if you have any kind of decay on the kick drum and then trigger another kick drum in quick succession you get a nasty click (because it can't trigger 2 voices). I also find there 's a lot of digital noise on the drum sounds. The sounds from the other 3 instruments tend to sounds bit tinny to me - and there's not a lot of scope for variation on the snare or the tom.

I understand that it's probably been designed to be extremely efficient on CPU resources and of course you can create multiple instances to get round the single voice issue. But i'd love something a bit more fully fledged like an iElectribe/Elastic Drums Gadget if possible.

I am not entirely happy with either for long low kicks, I get clicks from Tokyo as described here, and with iElectribe I get digital noise which I can't get rid of I reallly like Attack for these types of Kick, but it rarely behaves itself when trying to work alongside another app Which means sampling it, which then takes away the benefit of having the synth in the first place as I cannot then adjust decay during the song
I'm still searching

ChrisG

It'll be out in Mars (unless Korg's changed their planning recently)

[Deleted User]

@ChrisG said:
It'll be out in Mars (unless Korg's changed their planning recently)

No Earth release?

mschenkel.it

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

Really? I find it much easier to get a wider range of sounds out of iElectribe. And the quality of the sounds are better I think.

With Tokyo, if you have any kind of decay on the kick drum and then trigger another kick drum in quick succession you get a nasty click (because it can't trigger 2 voices). I also find there 's a lot of digital noise on the drum sounds. The sounds from the other 3 instruments tend to sounds bit tinny to me - and there's not a lot of scope for variation on the snare or the tom.

I understand that it's probably been designed to be extremely efficient on CPU resources and of course you can create multiple instances to get round the single voice issue. But i'd love something a bit more fully fledged like an iElectribe/Elastic Drums Gadget if possible.

The gamma on iElectribe is definitely wider due to the modulation possibilities but my point was that I can get interesting, fun and soulful sounds in Tokyo easier\faster rather than on iElectribe and the fact you don't get step automation editing, as I have on a old Electribe ES1, doesn't make thing easier.
The noise on the digital sucks hard tho like also the click thing.

@AndyPlankton
Have you tried SeekBeats. Great sounding app with a live approach to it

Matt_Fletcher_2000

I've actually recently noticed a fair bit of digital noise on some patches in Pheonix and also Wolfsburgh. And this is with limiter and reverb off.

I think Gadget must be highly, highly optimised and this is just a side effect sometimes. Mostly only noticeable with headphones on single patch quiet bits.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

... Eg listen to the "Analog Seq" patch in Phoenix on its own with a long note played. You can hear the noise on the sustain and release.

Crabman

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
... Eg listen to the "Analog Seq" patch in Phoenix on its own with a long note played. You can hear the noise on the sustain and release.

i've discovered such noise as well .Reminds me of the old Korg DS 10 (on Nintendo DS) but i assumed it was the crap D/A converter in the DS.Sounds a bit like samplerate/bit reduction.

Redo1

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@ChrisG said:
It'll be out in Mars (unless Korg's changed their planning recently)

No Earth release?

well then, we better get our asses to mars. might have to sell my ipad to make that happen though. hmmm....
Why can't they just release it here?!

AudioGus

With Tokyo, if you have any kind of decay on the kick drum and then trigger another kick drum in quick succession you get a nasty click (because it can't trigger 2 voices). I also find there 's a lot of digital noise on the drum sounds. The sounds from the other 3 instruments tend to sounds bit tinny to me - and there's not a lot of scope for variation on the snare or the tom.

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

it was hard to tell from the google translate and I am not completely sure but it sounded like a bunch of gadgets may become polyphonic in gadget2, so perhaps this tokyo clipping will be resolved.

Buska

Oh what might be coming next as a new gadget?? I really hope it's something cool and not another module type affair. Maybe a wavestation or melodic poly sampler?

Crabman

@Buska said:
Oh what might be coming next as a new gadget?? I really hope it's something cool and not another module type affair. Maybe a wavestation or melodic poly sampler?

I'm glad that Module already covored all the piano and organ needs so i'm sure it will be something more interesting for sounddesigner etc.

AudioGus

@Crabman said:

@Buska said:
Oh what might be coming next as a new gadget?? I really hope it's something cool and not another module type affair. Maybe a wavestation or melodic poly sampler?

I'm glad that Module already covored all the piano and organ needs so i'm sure it will be something more interesting for sounddesigner etc.

more cowbell! Sorry couldnt resist

Eraser

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
Longer audio sample time. Period.

Yes - that really shouldn't be hard for Korg to implement, and even 10 secs per pad (Bilbao) would be more useable for vocals.

Failing that, as Bilbao has a 5 octave range, I have been thinking about changing the sample frequency of vocal samples before importing and then tuning down 1 (or 2) octaves in Bilbao to playback at the normal speed/frequency. This would mean at 1 octave lower, you would actually get 10 seconds per pad.

Not exactly 'hi-fi', but maybe good enough for a guide vocal to build melodies around. With the new EQ and Compressor on, (plus insert effect) it may just sound passable...

AndyPlankton

@Buska said:
Oh what might be coming next as a new gadget?? I really hope it's something cool and not another module type affair. Maybe a wavestation or melodic poly sampler?

An FM synth that is DX7 patch compatible like the new Volca FM would be cool

Crabman

would be my favorite as well!

Samu

Regarding FM, an AUi version of this would be awesome.
http://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/

AndyPlankton

@Samu said:
Regarding FM, an AUi version of this would be awesome.
http://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/

Looks cool, but Iwouldn't be able to use all those tiny knobs on My iPad Mini

setAI

@janogarcia said:

... an arpeggiator is added to all types of Gadgets keyboard, Chord Trigger happens, meanwhile all polyphonic keyboard Gadgets and you will enjoy an Undo / Redo in the sequencer.

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an arpeggiator! this is something I wanted -but I did't think it would happen because there is so much focus on the sequencer- I actually don't use the sequencing functions that often- but I like how interactive it is- combining the arp and sequencer should be very interesting-

setAI

the talk about future gadgets- I would like to see a PC/Mac Gadget designer environment like Reaktor for third party/user built gadgets you could buy as IAPs-

fjcblanco

I wish some "lite" versions of standalone apps could be included as gadgets (similar as iM1 does on iPad), like iDS-10 or iElectribe for iPhone.

Samu

@fjcblanco said:
I wish some "lite" versions of standalone apps could be included as gadgets (similar as iM1 does on iPad), like iDS-10 or iElectribe for iPhone.

Don't know how many AUi Extensions a single app-bundle can contain (i.e. one app bundle shows up as many different AUi) but if it's more than one Korg could theoretically make every Gadget show as an individual AUi.

As long as the individual synths are 'strong on their own' (like iM1 and Module are) I feel Korg will release them as stand-alone apps with 'Gadget Integration'. This is what I think will happen if or when iWaveStation comes to iOS, it will be a stand-alone app with a 'Gadget' to access the presets with minor tweaking which would be fine with me.

iElectribe/iPolysix/iMS-20 would need a major re-design to be 'Gadgets' unless 'Fullscreen Gadgets' turn out to be 'fullscreen app integrations'.

Oh well, it's soon March anyway and we'll get our hands on the new update

[Deleted User]

I know i would be dissapointed if they doesn't add aftertouch and velocity via 3D touch..... really, since i used it a lot with the Noise 5D app, Mitosynth and Garage Band, i will never ever buy an idevice without it! It takes that really to a whole new dimension!
Wake up developers!!!!

Dham

@Samu said:
Regarding FM, an AUi version of this would be awesome.
http://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/

Perhaps Primal Audio will port FM4 to AU: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/11/19/new-fm-synthesizer-for-ipad-fm4-recreates-classic-yamaha-dx-sounds/

Crabman

@Dham said:

@Samu said:
Regarding FM, an AUi version of this would be awesome.
http://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/

Perhaps Primal Audio will port FM4 to AU: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/11/19/new-fm-synthesizer-for-ipad-fm4-recreates-classic-yamaha-dx-sounds/

Unlikely.I had a good contact to them because i was beta testing FM4.They had even plans for a bigger version but i never heard back from them (over a year ago) regarding a new FM synth.And their 2 follow up plugins appeared only as Reason rack extension.My guess is the sales did not match their expectations on iOS and i don't believe in further development for this platform.That also explains why the availability of AU units generally grows so painfully slow.Why should the devs go through all the hassle again (after AB and then IAA) when they can't expect a noticeable bump in sales?Solution could be to sell the AU extension as IAP (if that's possible).But it needs some of the big host player (Auria,Cubasis,Beatmaker...) first to encourage more devs to make AU versions.

ErrkaPetti

Wishlist of new Gadgets for Korg Gadget:

FM-synth
IMS-20
iPolySix
A new drummachine like Propellerheads Kong
A Gadget like the Moss-extensions for Korg Triton synths...

And, Audiofile-support...

Samu

Regarding Gadget and FM.

The Chiangmai Gadget is capable of very FMish sounds it's almost like 2 parallel 2OP FM-Synths.

ErrkaPetti

@Samu said:
Regarding Gadget and FM.

The Chiangmai Gadget is capable of very FMish sounds it's almost like 2 parallel 2OP FM-Synths.

Ok!

Probably missed that!
Should try it later today and leave a comment about that...

ErrkaPetti

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Samu said:
Regarding Gadget and FM.

The Chiangmai Gadget is capable of very FMish sounds it's almost like 2 parallel 2OP FM-Synths.

Ok!

Probably missed that!
Should try it later today and leave a comment about that...

Samu, thank's for the info about Chiangmai Gadget!
You're right, it sounds very FM-ish!

The pianopatches sound very DX7-ish also...

MiniDX

I wonder if Korg is ever going to add midi file exports........

Wouldn't that be amazing ? Ability to export midi tracks so you can use what you've cooked in gadget with your other instruments ?

AudioGus

@MiniDX said:
I wonder if Korg is ever going to add midi file exports........

Wouldn't that be amazing ? Ability to export midi tracks so you can use what you've cooked in gadget with your other instruments ?

They did!