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Maybe this isn't exactly what you’re talking about, but there is a sampler in Modstep, and it will allow you to play an audio file that you import. I can’t remember the total length – it isn’t much, but I think it’s more than is allowed in Gadget.
This is from the forum’s resident Modstep whisperer, @gonekrazy3000
It's kind of funny that I don't remember making this video
So, not trying to stir the considerable pot, but I have dipped toes on both feet into Modstep and BM3 recently and while I know there are all (and enormous) threads devoted to this I thought I would ask just you quiet guys here on the friendly Modstep thread: If you were in the shallow end with both but were going to devote some quality time, which might you start with (yes, I know they're both good apps)? I do kind of understand the considerable scope of BM3, but in terms of workflow I'm wondering whether Modstep might offer different/more productive avenues...I'm not a live player, more of a slow writer....
Both completely different apps, Beatmaker 3 is close to being a full DAW, Modstep is a MIDI sequencer, Beatmaker can do nearly everything Modstep can do save one or two features, Modstep can not do 50% of what Beatmaker does, really is Apples and Oranges.
To be honest I still think modstep+Aum>Bm3.
Would love to use Bm3 exclusively but it just doesn't gell with me yet. Bm3's midi sequencing just isn't up to snuff. And modstep+Bm3 isn't as stable as modstep+AUM.
Beatmaker 3 to me is far more powerful but not very friendly. Modstep is peculiar, but i am far more creative in it. The clip launching in Modstep is very inspiring for writing. BM3 is better (to me) for finishing.
I agree with this actually. Except that I use ableton for finishing. So Bm3 is lying around a bit unloved
Bm3 still has some quirks with external midi(external from itself). Mod step is beautiful and it does midi. As @gonekrazy3000 said Aum+modstep is a very powerful combo(but if you like to bounce and stack samples bm3 still is king since still there is no proper au/iaa sampler)
I can't speak for BM3 as I haven't tried it. but I think it largely depends on how you do your writing.
If you noodle while recording and then find the good bits ModStep isn't great for this (and neither are any pattern based recorders), I always use Cubasis for this way of working....
If you like to program instead of play, or import MIDI recorded elsewhere, or you can get your pre worked out phrases in one take then ModStep can be very productive as it is almost perfect for trialling different arrangements very quickly.
Modstep came in to the world to show the flexibility and joy of playing midi instruments from a pattern based perspective. It has shown us that an iPad can be the hub of all your soft and hardware synths.
BeatMaker3 is trying to do this but isn’t quite there. It’s power lies in the domain of “completeness” which is still evolving.
If you want to control your iPad synths and hardware synths at the same time and love working in patterns or sketches as i like to call them...modstep is your core.
But that is just my humble opinion after spending way too much time with all of these things.
@AndyPlankton @echoopera Thank you gentlemen. This gives me a better bigger picture. I do like to noodle in something like Auxy or SPA and then play with the results so maybe that's a starting point....thanks again, I appreciate your insight.
Just put it this way. If you like the clips workflow of Ableton Live on th desktop then modstep or BeatMaker3 is there for you to have fun with and explore.
The main limitation with Modstep is working with audio. The sampler isn't bad but it can't compete with BM3 for working with audio.
@AndyPlankton @echoopera Thank you gentlemen. This gives me a better bigger picture. I do like to noo> @lukesleepwalker said:
Good to know/understand. Apart from strangled vocals audio makes up 20 per cent of my stumbling output, maybe less. Guess I'm always looking for the perfect piano roll that will allow me use the other machinery I have to write with and then -probably the biggest thing- anything, like Beatmaker, which encourages the development of things that contain different sections...
Tap tempo... come on!!. Hard to overlook that!.
There are many on the forums who think the Modstep piano roll is the best on iOS. I'm not one of them; I find it clunky for my purposes.
Fair enough. What's number one for your purposes?
I usually record MIDI (unquantized) and futz with the key/tempo, etc. In other words, I'm the opposite of the "step sequencer".
@JohnnyGoodyear
The writing workflow Ive used, clipmaking and launching, is available on both apps (with the caveat that BM3 launches both audio and midi clips while Modstep does not - not as easily any way...there's the Sampler which will play a pretty long audioclip)
If you're into writing by clipmaking and launching, which is a formidable way to write, Modstep is focused on that mode exclusively, so it's relatively uncluttered by other modes and powers and also more accommodating in the particulars of clip arranging and sequencing - with more editing features for both clip editing and arrangement editing
Hate to even bring it up here ... but GarageBand can do both midi and clip launching. If ModStep had that as well, along with its better in/out and midi triggering abilities, it will be totally killer.
A really excellent point, especially if you can extend into your app ecosystem through AUs, etc.
So the thing about modstep is this...once you understand it’s workflow magical things can happen. This thread inspired me to open it again and just explore and within 30 minutes of noodling and exploring i ended up with something which made my heart sing.
Here was the workflow:
1. Launch AUM
2. Loaded up 3 instances of Zeeon, 1 Model 15, 1 iPulsaret, 1 BlocsWave
3. Assign appropriate midi channels
4. Loaded up preferred patches
5. Pointed modstep to appropriate midi channels
6. Explored
7. Layed down patterns
8. Created multiple patterns
9. Eureka moment
10. Recorded and modulated directly in AUM
11. Felt happy
Sure it may sound like a bit of workflow heavy, but i have steps 1-5 saved as a preset in AUM and Modstep so i can jump to step 6 outlines above.
Anyhoo...here’s the resulting track to have a gander at if interested:
Excellent work sir. Please show your work on No. 3 and No. 5.
No. 9 is well demonstrated.
No. 11: agreed.
Hahah. Just like a teacher...always asking the student to show their work
AUM as destination with Channel #
Modstep pointing to AUM and Channel #
Agreed this is the dream and more of.what BM3 does for me. For me Modstep strengths focus on midi fun inside midi clips, and building with those blocks. In was a sequencer first, of course, and as above a cool enough one to use just for that
I gave up on GarageBand before cliplaunch happened, it looks really cool.
Interesting all the possible workflows. It was cool to see what you're doing with AUM and Modstep @echoopera
For my use of Modstep I'd host the instruments and fx in Modstep itself, and record there as well, or send the tracks performance live into a DAW via IAA audio.
Just used it to play some "glitchy" bits in the composition.
Hi @echoopera, very inspiring
I´m curious about your AUM midi-channel setup. I asked about this ( One midi controller multiple apps (Midiflow, Modstep, AUM...). Audiobus 3? ). So you´re doing Midi-channel filtering in AUM which totally makes sense and is intuitive (metter than having another app in the background doing the midi thing). According to my tests, these options (channel midi, etc) don´t work if the synth is previously loaded in Audiobus. You don´t seem to be using Audiobus, right?. Do you still have state saving?.
A question to Beatmaker advocates... I was set on Modstep after trying out different workflows. I sing/play guitar and want to play live with my iPad.
Is Beatmaker 3 capable of doing what Modstep does AND do it with audio aswell?. I´ve always been a "linear DAW" user, and this clip-launching approach is just fantastic, so much better to get ideas accross, try different combinations, rearrange... I bought Infinite Looper, then Modstep.... Do i need to buy Beatmaker 3?. Is it Modstep or Beatmaker or do they work together?. It seems like everytime i think i´ve nailed it something else comes accross. I just want to settle on something that´s right and start playing!!!.
Would you be pointing Odessa's sequencers to Modstep clips and then back out to AUM hosted synths in your workflow?