Gadget update available now.audio recording.

fjcblanco

Just for trying...Deleted v3.0 from iPad4 and reinstalling v.2.9.3 via iFunfox without problems.

I hope Korg updates the manual soon.

Halftone

@fjcblanco said:
Just for trying...Deleted v3.0 from iPad4 and reinstalling v.2.9.3 via iFunfox without problems.

I hope Korg updates the manual soon.

thanks for that. how's it run on your ipad 4? any drop in performance? old projects run ok?

wim

@fjcblanco said:
I hope Korg updates the manual soon.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Even Lexington and Milpitas are not yet in there. @ Copyright 2014 Korg Inc.

[Deleted User]

I'm thinking nanostudio2 might be a complete system that won't even need other apps to help it out...

I appreciate many of you like to route apps together but for me it truly slows me down...I like to "stay in one place" so to speak..

[Deleted User]

I don´t have bought any IAP for Gadget beside the ArpOdyssei and iWavestation.
I must say that the FX inside iWavestation and Milpitas are really good.
And Milpitas has the most useful random button ever. 9 of 10 sounds it´s create are useful.
I wish they let me edit also the single parts in detail like in the full iWavestation. Can´t have all.
But i do miss a write button to save patches direct in Milpitas rather than only in iWavestation??

stemshade

@Peter321 said:

@vpich said:
when you upload a track to wifi enable (little arrow in open dialogue) it opens correctly on another device, sends all audio recorded in zurich. Don't know if this means that samples imported to bilbao will now do this too rather than manually adding the same samples.

I haven't tested if Bilbao sync as well, but in the Bilbao audio import list you have the same cloud icon in the user sample list, so I assume you can at least do it manually.

yes, that's what i have always done, importing the same samples manually, and i figured that audio would be the same way, thankfully no

fjcblanco

@Halftone said:

@fjcblanco said:
Just for trying...Deleted v3.0 from iPad4 and reinstalling v.2.9.3 via iFunfox without problems.

I hope Korg updates the manual soon.

thanks for that. how's it run on your ipad 4? any drop in performance? old projects run ok?

I'm not musician and not a complicated guy, so my "projects" are quite simple: drums + bassline + a couple of synth tracks (synth + "guitar" sounds) and a bit of reverb/delay here and there, so no problem to run old projects.

I'll try to import some vocal tracks (the most useful feature I see into v3.0) knowing I can go back if my iPad isn't powerful enough.

Jocphone

@DaveMagoo said:

@Jocphone said:

@DaveMagoo said:
Anyone know it the audio in the audio track backs up to icloud and can be opened on multiple devices?

Yes, it works, but it takes a long time.

Found it thanks, could do with a sync all tab tho

Bit of an update. I synced the track I posted early up and opened it with Gadget on my phone. All the audio tracks transferred but the samples in Bilbao didn't. That's a bit of a disappointment when everything else transferred seamlessly.

R_2

@Jocphone said:

@DaveMagoo said:

@Jocphone said:

@DaveMagoo said:
Anyone know it the audio in the audio track backs up to icloud and can be opened on multiple devices?

Yes, it works, but it takes a long time.

Found it thanks, could do with a sync all tab tho

Bit of an update. I synced the track I posted early up and opened it with Gadget on my phone. All the audio tracks transferred but the samples in Bilbao didn't. That's a bit of a disappointment when everything else transferred seamlessly.

Yeah, for user samples in Bilbao/Abu Dhabi you have to turn on the cloud icon next to the sample.
Still a bit buggy in version 3.0, Gadget crashes on my iPad when I do this. But eventually I did get samples synced to my iPhone this way.

Seangarland

@u0421793 said:

@AndyPlankton said:
One thought on resampling....
Is it possible to make a loopback cable to go in the headphone socket that loops the output to the input without any crosstalk ?
Perhaps @u0421793 would have some idea ? I am in no way an electronics engineer but is it not just a matter of matching the input and output impedences ?

It would certainly be possible to hook up a cable out of adaptors you could purchase from china, but I'm not sure it'd be a good idea. Wouldn't the output carry some of the input under many circumstances? Unless you were to monitor it blind, and keep it that way for a while, you'd open yourself up to the possibility of feedback.

Try one of these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112061790549
That'll give you the mic on one jack (mono) and headphones on another jack (stereo) (presumably) (I've got one upstairs) (I should try and test it) (maybe one day). Then you could complete the loop yourself but the mic input will need attenuation from headphone level down to mic again (eg, twin the headphones together with a 10K resistor pair, take the feed from the centre of that and put it through a potential divider such as another 10K resistor in series with a 2K7 to ground, and take the mic signal from the junction in the middle of those two.) (just making those numbers up from the top of my head by the way, haven't tried it, but you'd get something - either a bit too high or a bit too low or you might be lucky, who knows).

[Edit] - wait, what am I talking about? IF you monitor it blind, there's no audio, so what's the point.

Hoping not to sound like Daddy Warbucks, but if you've got two devices, you could connect them with a 1/8-to-1/4 cable and an interface like a iRig or Apogee Jam. That's what I'll likely use for iOS apps into Gadget.

Jocphone

@R_2 said:

@Jocphone said:

@DaveMagoo said:

@Jocphone said:

@DaveMagoo said:
Anyone know it the audio in the audio track backs up to icloud and can be opened on multiple devices?

Yes, it works, but it takes a long time.

Found it thanks, could do with a sync all tab tho

Bit of an update. I synced the track I posted early up and opened it with Gadget on my phone. All the audio tracks transferred but the samples in Bilbao didn't. That's a bit of a disappointment when everything else transferred seamlessly.

Yeah, for user samples in Bilbao/Abu Dhabi you have to turn on the cloud icon next to the sample.
Still a bit buggy in version 3.0, Gadget crashes on my iPad when I do this. But eventually I did get samples synced to my iPhone this way.

Thanks R_2 that's a nice tip. Have tried it but no samples have appeared yet. Maybe the Gadget elves will deliver them overnight.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@TozBourne said:
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
"So what happens if you record into a 1 bar Zurich clip which is part of an 8 bar scene? Does it extend the Zurich clip to 8 bars? Does it overdub 8 times? Something else?"

Interesting...Zurich was set to 1 bar, a couple other scenes were at 8 bars, but I kept playing thru the 8 bars as I recorded. The marker remains set at 1 bar, so after recording I extended it to 8 bars and the whole recorded clip is there.

Ah... interesting... Makes sense.

So the number of bars the clip is set to is actually just telling Gadget how many bars of the audio file are exposed in the UI and how much to play before repeating.

But the audio file is always as long as it is when recorded/imported.

@Seangarland said:

@u0421793 said:

@AndyPlankton said:
One thought on resampling....
Is it possible to make a loopback cable to go in the headphone socket that loops the output to the input without any crosstalk ?
Perhaps @u0421793 would have some idea ? I am in no way an electronics engineer but is it not just a matter of matching the input and output impedences ?

It would certainly be possible to hook up a cable out of adaptors you could purchase from china, but I'm not sure it'd be a good idea. Wouldn't the output carry some of the input under many circumstances? Unless you were to monitor it blind, and keep it that way for a while, you'd open yourself up to the possibility of feedback.

Try one of these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112061790549
That'll give you the mic on one jack (mono) and headphones on another jack (stereo) (presumably) (I've got one upstairs) (I should try and test it) (maybe one day). Then you could complete the loop yourself but the mic input will need attenuation from headphone level down to mic again (eg, twin the headphones together with a 10K resistor pair, take the feed from the centre of that and put it through a potential divider such as another 10K resistor in series with a 2K7 to ground, and take the mic signal from the junction in the middle of those two.) (just making those numbers up from the top of my head by the way, haven't tried it, but you'd get something - either a bit too high or a bit too low or you might be lucky, who knows).

[Edit] - wait, what am I talking about? IF you monitor it blind, there's no audio, so what's the point.

Hoping not to sound like Daddy Warbucks, but if you've got two devices, you could connect them with a 1/8-to-1/4 cable and an interface like a iRig or Apogee Jam. That's what I'll likely use for iOS apps into Gadget.

Yep. This method makes a lot of sense. You can use Link and have both Gadget and the other apps interface both visible.

So you can start them together and also temper you're drumming or synth etch playing to the stage of the track you're at and what you can see (visually) is coming up. (Easier than playing blind and not being able to see Gadget).

Just takes a little more setting up.

Also there's the benefit of being able to record more than 16 bars.

ExAsperis99

There are 350+ comments, so forgive me if I missed this being answered before, but: Is there really no way to move the position of the waveform in Zürich?

[Deleted User]

Does Zurich require any demagnetizing before proceeding?

stemshade

@ExAsperis99 said:
There are 350+ comments, so forgive me if I missed this being answered before, but: Is there really no way to move the position of the waveform in Zürich?

If u snip and bring into abu dhabi.

Peter321

@ExAsperis99 said:
There are 350+ comments, so forgive me if I missed this being answered before, but: Is there really no way to move the position of the waveform in Zürich?

You can adjust the start and end points but the selected range will ALWAYS play from the beginning of the scene. To make it play later you need to insert silence not ideal, I hope they fix this in an update.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@vpich said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
There are 350+ comments, so forgive me if I missed this being answered before, but: Is there really no way to move the position of the waveform in Zürich?

If u snip and bring into abu dhabi.

How would one 'snip' it though?

Igneous1

@Peter321 said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
There are 350+ comments, so forgive me if I missed this being answered before, but: Is there really no way to move the position of the waveform in Zürich?

You can adjust the start and end points but the selected range will ALWAYS play from the beginning of the scene. To make it play later you need to insert silence not ideal, I hope they fix this in an update.

An interesting 'bodge' I've stumbled across, is you can use Zurich's output level in the automation section to act as a gater kind of thing or to 'mute' parts of the waveform, in effect (by setting the output to zero)

ErrkaPetti

Now, 48 hours since Korg Gadget 3.0 for iOS got released, what are everyones totally experiance with it?

For me the crippled functions here and there got me to NOT buy the desktop version of Gadget 3.0 (even if I have planed that)...

I don't like the way the waveforms is handled. And, why we can't have a unlimited amount of wavelenght to import/record is sad...

I don't like the gloomy design of Rosario either, with uncleard controllers and no way to reset a knob to zero/default (this is a crippled function in several other Gadgets)...

With my big iPad Pro I thought Gadget 3.0 should be something special and really awesome, but, yeah, Gadget 2.x was already awesome in many ways, but I don't think Korg have worked hard enough to make the iOS version as good it could be...

But, audiofiles into Gadget has at least moved the app forward in some case...

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@ErrkaPetti said:

I don't like the way the waveforms is handled. And, why we can't have a unlimited amount of wavelenght to import/record is sad...

We can record and unlimited length can't we?

Carnbot

Yes you can record unlimited and also record split across scenes like Doug does in his video which is a good idea.
Though I've not tested how far this goes myself yet.

edit: And you can import more than 16 bars too apparently, (see Dougs thread)

ErrkaPetti

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

I don't like the way the waveforms is handled. And, why we can't have a unlimited amount of wavelenght to import/record is sad...

We can record and unlimited length can't we?

Ooops!
Have to test this again then... I'll be back...

LucidMusicInc

@ErrkaPetti said:
Now, 48 hours since Korg Gadget 3.0 for iOS got released, what are everyones totally experiance with it?

For me the crippled functions here and there got me to NOT buy the desktop version of Gadget 3.0 (even if I have planed that)...

I don't like the way the waveforms is handled. And, why we can't have a unlimited amount of wavelenght to import/record is sad...

I don't like the gloomy design of Rosario either, with uncleard controllers and no way to reset a knob to zero/default (this is a crippled function in several other Gadgets)...

With my big iPad Pro I thought Gadget 3.0 should be something special and really awesome, but, yeah, Gadget 2.x was already awesome in many ways, but I don't think Korg have worked hard enough to make the iOS version as good it could be...

But, audiofiles into Gadget has at least moved the app forward in some case...

Seems a little buggy with the multiple bar copying not working and I get some graphical glitches.

Rosario and Zurich feel like clunky pieces of nostalgic gear that you might get at a garage sale.

Using Audio in gadget does open up a lot of new possibilities obviously, and AudioShare support means I can send batches of samples from one device or app into Gadget and vice versa in only a couple of steps.

I think we could see the next app from Korg to be some additional sampler like the Ielectribe2 or something, I hope.

Recife is good fun.

The sequencer works better than before, especially with setting loop points.

I'd still like to see better file management for projects and samples.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@Carnbot said:
edit: And you can import more than 16 bars too apparently, (see Dougs thread)

This is huge news!

And it works. I just tried it.

You basically import your entire piece of audio (a whole tracks worth of drumming or whatever) and then:

1. Import the whole audio into scene 1
2. Duplicate scene 1 to scene 2 and then slip the audio file up by 16 bars (helpfully you are shown ghosted labels on the waveform of exactly where scene 1 ends)
3. Repeat for scene 3,4,5 and so on

Also works just as well if you want to have 8 bar scenes or less. And I'm sure it would work with scenes of different bar lengths throughout your track.

This is really great.

I know we all really want Gadget's audio tracks to work like Auria. But for now (first release) I think it's a big step forward.

Carnbot

@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Yep it's really good news just commented in the other thread but I like that there's a faint marker in the next scene which shows the last scene end point so you know where to crop etc

[Deleted User]

Ok, a short while later after giving Gadget a new going over. My opinion:

I love the new update. Yes, it could have been more, but I'm perfectly happy with the stuff they've added. Best for me though is AudioShare import.

The stuff I'm still not happy about with Gadget is the following:

1. Some gadgets don't share presets between their standalone apps.
2. The on screen dials are still not working smoothly in my opinion.
3. I now have encountered stuck notes played on the onscreen keyboards when I never have before the update.
4. Still gutted that iMS-20 has no Gadget.

For a free update, I'm happy with what it offers

stemshade

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@vpich said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
There are 350+ comments, so forgive me if I missed this being answered before, but: Is there really no way to move the position of the waveform in Zürich?

If u snip and bring into abu dhabi.

How would one 'snip' it though?

Was just guessing i could export a looped part. But no. Just the whole track and then in audio share of whatever cut it down to 1 bar for abu. Wonky.

Igneous1

@ErrkaPetti said:
Now, 48 hours since Korg Gadget 3.0 for iOS got released, what are everyones totally experiance with it?

For a free update it's fantastic. Naturally, there's personal preferences that I would have liked to have been included, but there you go. It appears Korg pretty much do their thing and don't really take notice of individual 'wish-lists', while that can be a tad frustrating, that's the way they do things, at least they have their own vision for hoe Gadget will pan out.

Saying that, I wouldn't buy the desktop version though, while it's the King (well one of, anyway) on iOS, there's far more able things on the Desktop.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 In essence, I agree. I think we (me) were emotionally imagining this release as some apotheosis of the Gadget experience, whereas, of course, it is a but step on the road, especially, hopefully, as regards audio.

The truth of it (for me) is that with being able to import samples longer than 16 bars my larger (sic) desire has been met. Yes, I am pretty curdled about not being able to move the start point of samples beyond Note One of a scene, but unless this was some Machiavellian strategic move on Korg's part, I have to hope/believe that this will be adjusted/added as we continue to move forward.

Have to add that my now more positive feelings were encouraged by the @Audiogus example of recording/playing into Blocs, which I am having obsessive fun with....you people might make a 'live' player out of me yet...

[Deleted User]

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 In essence, I agree. I think we (me) were emotionally imagining this release as some apotheosis of the Gadget experience, whereas, of course, it is a but step on the road, especially, hopefully, as regards audio.

The truth of it (for me) is that with being able to import samples longer than 16 bars my larger (sic) desire has been met. Yes, I am pretty curdled about not being able to move the start point of samples beyond Note One of a scene, but unless this was some Machiavellian strategic move on Korg's part, I have to hope/believe that this will be adjusted/added as we continue to move forward.

Have to add that my now more positive feelings were encouraged by the @Audiogus example of recording/playing into Blocs, which I am having obsessive fun with....you people might make a 'live' player out of me yet...

Me too, Gadget for me is now an extension of Blocs, generating nice loops and beats for triggering and transposing live in that one. Very useful vid from Mr Gus.