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iOS 11 is NOT an improvement

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  • @bert said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Apple doesn't lack the resources to support older devices, as you say they could release patches, even allowing a user to downgrade the OS on the device, all OS systems over time pick up all sorts of junk and a fresh install on any device would very probably speed it up, but if you have held your OS back, as have quite a few fellow forum members, then you would have no choice to install the iOS version you prefer, only the one being signed.

    Yep, it's not like they can't afford to provide a repository for older versions, and keep them ticking along with basic patches so we could reinstall an older version if things went tits up with an update - like the one on my iPad 2. If these devices were cheap, and they didn't make any money out of the system then I could understand it - but they're not, and they do. Instead they have a pop-up, followed by a lock screen prompting users to update to the latest version which might cripple their device with no easy way of rolling back to the previous version.

    I had an update notice for the desktop version of Affinity Designer the other day. I'm running an 8 year old Windows 7 PC, so always wary of updating software just in case it 'does an iPad' on me. But my fears were unjustified, and wonderfully - Affinity make available previous versions, so if there'd been a problem I could have simply reinstalled the previous version.

    That's proper thoughtful stuff.

    Think you need to read the experiences of Google project zero about the differences between Windows 7, 8 and 10 then. Microsoft had no intention to publish security updates for Windows 7 and 8 but only for Windows 10: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/2017/10/using-binary-diffing-to-discover.html and/or https://theregister.co.uk/2017/10/06/researchers_say_windows_10_patches_punch_holes_in_older_versions/

    The point is my Win 7 machine is 8 years old, as is the OS. The fact it still runs as good as the day I bought it, and latest software essential to my work runs perfectly (with the abily to roll back to an older version if it doesn’t) is a bit of a contrast to a device still being sold three years ago, crippled by its own operating system, rendered useless without an easy way to revert to the previous working version.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @bert said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Apple doesn't lack the resources to support older devices, as you say they could release patches, even allowing a user to downgrade the OS on the device, all OS systems over time pick up all sorts of junk and a fresh install on any device would very probably speed it up, but if you have held your OS back, as have quite a few fellow forum members, then you would have no choice to install the iOS version you prefer, only the one being signed.

    Yep, it's not like they can't afford to provide a repository for older versions, and keep them ticking along with basic patches so we could reinstall an older version if things went tits up with an update - like the one on my iPad 2. If these devices were cheap, and they didn't make any money out of the system then I could understand it - but they're not, and they do. Instead they have a pop-up, followed by a lock screen prompting users to update to the latest version which might cripple their device with no easy way of rolling back to the previous version.

    I had an update notice for the desktop version of Affinity Designer the other day. I'm running an 8 year old Windows 7 PC, so always wary of updating software just in case it 'does an iPad' on me. But my fears were unjustified, and wonderfully - Affinity make available previous versions, so if there'd been a problem I could have simply reinstalled the previous version.

    That's proper thoughtful stuff.

    Think you need to read the experiences of Google project zero about the differences between Windows 7, 8 and 10 then. Microsoft had no intention to publish security updates for Windows 7 and 8 but only for Windows 10: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/2017/10/using-binary-diffing-to-discover.html and/or https://theregister.co.uk/2017/10/06/researchers_say_windows_10_patches_punch_holes_in_older_versions/

    The point is my Win 7 machine is 8 years old, as is the OS. The fact it still runs as good as the day I bought it, and latest software essential to my work runs perfectly (with the abily to roll back to an older version if it doesn’t) is a bit of a contrast to a device still being sold three years ago, crippled by its own operating system, rendered useless without an easy way to revert to the previous working version.

    But desktop PCs have long passed the tipping point where incremental hardware updates make such a significant difference as they do in the (still very young) mobile world. In the 90s, the days of the 486 and early Pentiums, I was buying a new PC every year just to keep up with the demands of Photoshop, Director, Premiere and stuff like that. The mobile world in a very similar stage right now. It’ll slow down in a few years, but right now you can’t expect the same lifetime of a mobile device versus a desktop/laptop grade device.

  • That’s my one and only beef: not being able to downgrade my OS to a working version. I have an iPad 2 that was perfectly workable up to iOS 9 or something. I made the mistake of upgrading it, thinking a “backup” meant you could restore to the state you had before the backup. Dumb ol’ IT guy assuming what seemed like common sense at the time.

    It’s never been useable since. It’s not that it’s a problem running the apps I want to, it’s that loading apps, switching, etc. is just unworkable. It ran everything I wanted it to just fine. Now it’s a brick. If I could just revert to an older OS (at my risk of course) I would be fine. I don’t expect support, security patches, or for developers to maintain compatibility.

    That’s what’s frustrating.

  • @wim said:
    That’s my one and only beef: not being able to downgrade my OS to a working version. I have an iPad 2 that was perfectly workable up to iOS 9 or something. I made the mistake of upgrading it, thinking a “backup” meant you could restore to the state you had before the backup. Dumb ol’ IT guy assuming what seemed like common sense at the time.

    It’s never been useable since. It’s not that it’s a problem running the apps I want to, it’s that loading apps, switching, etc. is just unworkable. It ran everything I wanted it to just fine. Now it’s a brick. If I could just revert to an older OS (at my risk of course) I would be fine. I don’t expect support, security patches, or for developers to maintain compatibility.

    That’s what’s frustrating.

    Unfortunately a brick has more use and is certainly less toxic.

  • edited October 2017

    @brambos said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @bert said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Apple doesn't lack the resources to support older devices, as you say they could release patches, even allowing a user to downgrade the OS on the device, all OS systems over time pick up all sorts of junk and a fresh install on any device would very probably speed it up, but if you have held your OS back, as have quite a few fellow forum members, then you would have no choice to install the iOS version you prefer, only the one being signed.

    Yep, it's not like they can't afford to provide a repository for older versions, and keep them ticking along with basic patches so we could reinstall an older version if things went tits up with an update - like the one on my iPad 2. If these devices were cheap, and they didn't make any money out of the system then I could understand it - but they're not, and they do. Instead they have a pop-up, followed by a lock screen prompting users to update to the latest version which might cripple their device with no easy way of rolling back to the previous version.

    I had an update notice for the desktop version of Affinity Designer the other day. I'm running an 8 year old Windows 7 PC, so always wary of updating software just in case it 'does an iPad' on me. But my fears were unjustified, and wonderfully - Affinity make available previous versions, so if there'd been a problem I could have simply reinstalled the previous version.

    That's proper thoughtful stuff.

    Think you need to read the experiences of Google project zero about the differences between Windows 7, 8 and 10 then. Microsoft had no intention to publish security updates for Windows 7 and 8 but only for Windows 10: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/2017/10/using-binary-diffing-to-discover.html and/or https://theregister.co.uk/2017/10/06/researchers_say_windows_10_patches_punch_holes_in_older_versions/

    The point is my Win 7 machine is 8 years old, as is the OS. The fact it still runs as good as the day I bought it, and latest software essential to my work runs perfectly (with the abily to roll back to an older version if it doesn’t) is a bit of a contrast to a device still being sold three years ago, crippled by its own operating system, rendered useless without an easy way to revert to the previous working version.

    But desktop PCs have long passed the tipping point where incremental hardware updates make such a significant difference as they do in the (still very young) mobile world. In the 90s, the days of the 486 and early Pentiums, I was buying a new PC every year just to keep up with the demands of Photoshop, Director, Premiere and stuff like that. The mobile world in a very similar stage right now. It’ll slow down in a few years, but right now you can’t expect the same lifetime of a mobile device versus a desktop/laptop grade device.

    I’d expect longer than three years lifespan for something that costs as much as a desktop. Aside from the environmental impact, they need to rethink hardware pricing if this is their strategy. The iPad is not a big phone.

    The hardware copes with most apps fine anyway, it’s using the iOS itself that’s causing speed problems. If they allowed access to revert to older versions, or had a ‘lite’ option for older devices we could keep devices running longer.

    I’m going to check to see if there are any slowdowns in Air 2 performance with iOS 11, if so I’ll keep this on 10.

    @wim said:
    That’s my one and only beef: not being able to downgrade my OS to a working version. I have an iPad 2 that was perfectly workable up to iOS 9 or something. I made the mistake of upgrading it, thinking a “backup” meant you could restore to the state you had before the backup. Dumb ol’ IT guy assuming what seemed like common sense at the time.

    It’s never been useable since. It’s not that it’s a problem running the apps I want to, it’s that loading apps, switching, etc. is just unworkable. It ran everything I wanted it to just fine. Now it’s a brick. If I could just revert to an older OS (at my risk of course) I would be fine. I don’t expect support, security patches, or for developers to maintain compatibility.

    That’s what’s frustrating.

    ^ This.

  • edited October 2017

    btw
    With the release of iOS 11, Apple revamped the App Store. Its goal was to make navigation of the store much easier and more coherent, and, in many cases, they succeeded. However, with that change comes the apparent disappearance of the Free App of the Week. Where did it go, and will we ever see it again?

    Here's the sad news — it looks like, as it stands, the Free App of the Week is gone. After scavenging the App Store, and ruminating on message boards, users have come to the conclusion that the Free App of the Week is as dead as the headphone jack.

    https://ios.gadgethacks.com/news/where-is-free-app-week-ios-11-0180432/

  • @brambos said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @bert said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Apple doesn't lack the resources to support older devices, as you say they could release patches, even allowing a user to downgrade the OS on the device, all OS systems over time pick up all sorts of junk and a fresh install on any device would very probably speed it up, but if you have held your OS back, as have quite a few fellow forum members, then you would have no choice to install the iOS version you prefer, only the one being signed.

    Yep, it's not like they can't afford to provide a repository for older versions, and keep them ticking along with basic patches so we could reinstall an older version if things went tits up with an update - like the one on my iPad 2. If these devices were cheap, and they didn't make any money out of the system then I could understand it - but they're not, and they do. Instead they have a pop-up, followed by a lock screen prompting users to update to the latest version which might cripple their device with no easy way of rolling back to the previous version.

    I had an update notice for the desktop version of Affinity Designer the other day. I'm running an 8 year old Windows 7 PC, so always wary of updating software just in case it 'does an iPad' on me. But my fears were unjustified, and wonderfully - Affinity make available previous versions, so if there'd been a problem I could have simply reinstalled the previous version.

    That's proper thoughtful stuff.

    Think you need to read the experiences of Google project zero about the differences between Windows 7, 8 and 10 then. Microsoft had no intention to publish security updates for Windows 7 and 8 but only for Windows 10: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/2017/10/using-binary-diffing-to-discover.html and/or https://theregister.co.uk/2017/10/06/researchers_say_windows_10_patches_punch_holes_in_older_versions/

    The point is my Win 7 machine is 8 years old, as is the OS. The fact it still runs as good as the day I bought it, and latest software essential to my work runs perfectly (with the abily to roll back to an older version if it doesn’t) is a bit of a contrast to a device still being sold three years ago, crippled by its own operating system, rendered useless without an easy way to revert to the previous working version.

    But desktop PCs have long passed the tipping point where incremental hardware updates make such a significant difference as they do in the (still very young) mobile world. In the 90s, the days of the 486 and early Pentiums, I was buying a new PC every year just to keep up with the demands of Photoshop, Director, Premiere and stuff like that. The mobile world in a very similar stage right now. It’ll slow down in a few years, but right now you can’t expect the same lifetime of a mobile device versus a desktop/laptop grade device.

    But there's one difference, a PC was a box just a box with a monitor, in short jus a tool. A mobile phone is besides a tool also a fashion statement. As long as they can change form we get this race for the next new thing. I don't see this development slowing down within the next few years. Besides that phones are an important fashion accessory there is ofcourse the race for things as crazy resolutions, etc. Full HD on a small screen should be enough be we are already going towards 8k... And all these ultra high res needs strong processors and are more power hungry.

  • edited October 2017

    @brambos said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yes I like the new features of iOS 11 in general especially for us musician/creatives was just referring to the appstore really, even though I think that on the iPhone SE the new appstore is actually is a bit clearer than the old appstore was.

    I am in two minds about the new App Store. I think it looks gorgeous, and I guess if you're a dev and your app gets featured there you have reason to party. But at the same time, when you're looking for more niche stuff (which iOS music still is) it's almost impossible to find. And it annoys me that if you're going through the music/synths category you're looking at a collection of downright ancient and outdated stuff. Not representative of what iOS music has to offer today, and a definite lack of Bram Bos apps :D

    Sadly the same is true for their music store. Why can't we get some sub genres? Why can't we search by record label? Why can't I purchase a track or album inside the music streaming app? I would be happy to give Apple so much of my money but unless they make it a pleasant experience for me to browse and discover new music they get no money.

  • Surely these older ipads can be jailbroken to any previous version, warranty is no longer an issue.

  • edited October 2017

    IPad user, just updated to IOS 11.
    I was excited about “Files” (poorly named - how are you supposed to google it for support?) When I saw Audioshare show up as a location, I was giddy!

    I clicked it to explore my sample... A blank pop up for a second and gone, no error message whatsoever. I can send each individual sample to Dropbox from Audioshare, but still. Computers are supposed to do the tedious, repetitive action - it’s what they do. But no error message?

    Crappy programming.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2017

    @boilingcoder said:
    IPad user, just updated to IOS 11.
    I was excited about “Files” (poorly named - how are you supposed to google it for support?) When I saw Audioshare show up as a location, I was giddy!

    I clicked it to explore my sample... A blank pop up for a second and gone, no error message whatsoever. I can send each individual sample to Dropbox from Audioshare, but still. Computers are supposed to do the tedious, repetitive action - it’s what they do. But no error message?

    Crappy programming.

    Crappy assumption.

    AUM hasn’t been updated to include support for the files app yet. It’s not like it was released with non-functional support due to crappy programming.

    Developers aren’t obligated to support every new iOS functionality right out of the gate. Patience.

  • this is epic for me

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  • I checked here and many other forums that users are facing a problem with WiFi not working after updating to iOS 11.

    If you are still facing this problem, have a go at these reliable solutions to troubleshoot the issue!

  • @brambos said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @bert said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Apple doesn't lack the resources to support older devices, as you say they could release patches, even allowing a user to downgrade the OS on the device, all OS systems over time pick up all sorts of junk and a fresh install on any device would very probably speed it up, but if you have held your OS back, as have quite a few fellow forum members, then you would have no choice to install the iOS version you prefer, only the one being signed.

    Yep, it's not like they can't afford to provide a repository for older versions, and keep them ticking along with basic patches so we could reinstall an older version if things went tits up with an update - like the one on my iPad 2. If these devices were cheap, and they didn't make any money out of the system then I could understand it - but they're not, and they do. Instead they have a pop-up, followed by a lock screen prompting users to update to the latest version which might cripple their device with no easy way of rolling back to the previous version.

    I had an update notice for the desktop version of Affinity Designer the other day. I'm running an 8 year old Windows 7 PC, so always wary of updating software just in case it 'does an iPad' on me. But my fears were unjustified, and wonderfully - Affinity make available previous versions, so if there'd been a problem I could have simply reinstalled the previous version.

    That's proper thoughtful stuff.

    Think you need to read the experiences of Google project zero about the differences between Windows 7, 8 and 10 then. Microsoft had no intention to publish security updates for Windows 7 and 8 but only for Windows 10: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/2017/10/using-binary-diffing-to-discover.html and/or https://theregister.co.uk/2017/10/06/researchers_say_windows_10_patches_punch_holes_in_older_versions/

    The point is my Win 7 machine is 8 years old, as is the OS. The fact it still runs as good as the day I bought it, and latest software essential to my work runs perfectly (with the abily to roll back to an older version if it doesn’t) is a bit of a contrast to a device still being sold three years ago, crippled by its own operating system, rendered useless without an easy way to revert to the previous working version.

    But desktop PCs have long passed the tipping point where incremental hardware updates make such a significant difference as they do in the (still very young) mobile world. In the 90s, the days of the 486 and early Pentiums, I was buying a new PC every year just to keep up with the demands of Photoshop, Director, Premiere and stuff like that. The mobile world in a very similar stage right now. It’ll slow down in a few years, but right now you can’t expect the same lifetime of a mobile device versus a desktop/laptop grade device.

    @brambos Don’t you mean new pentiums to play Diablo? :p

  • @BradPitt1 said:
    I checked here and many other forums that users are facing a problem with WiFi not working after updating to iOS 11.

    If you are still facing this problem, have a go at these reliable solutions to troubleshoot the issue!

    Personally I would never follow any unspecified link anywhere. Specially not for solving problems. Just sayin’.

  • edited November 2017

    @brambos said:
    I am in two minds about the new App Store.

    >

    I am in one mind, the new App Store is rubbish.

    1. It’s now quite tedious trying to look up previously purchased apps, then having to back out step by step.

    2. No Wish List means we have to make alternate arrangements, for no useful reason.

    3. Updates are definitely being staggered. Very often I read of something being updated, but cannot see it - manual refresh does nothing - until a day or two later.

    4. The way very old reviews keep percolating to the top does nobody any favours.

    5. Not having the slightest interest in whatever crap Apple wants to push, means most of the App Store is useless to me. Why can’t I tailor it so that it only shows me the type of apps I might actually buy?

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @brambos said:
    I am in two minds about the new App Store.

    >

    I am in one mind, the new App Store is rubbish.

    1. It’s now quite tedious trying to look up previously purchased apps, then having to back out step by step.

    2. No Wish List means we have to make alternate arrangements, for no useful reason.

    3. Updates are definitely being staggered. Very often I read of something being updated, but cannot see it - manual refresh does nothing - until a day or two later.

    4. The way very old reviews keep percolating to the top does nobody any favours.

    5. Not having the slightest interest in whatever crap Apple wants to push, means most of the App Store is useless to me. Why can’t I tailor it so that it only shows me the type of apps I might actually buy?

    I’m with Zen on this. The App Store was pretty poor for a company with this much resources. I say ‘was’, as now it is really bloody awful!

  • I'm generally happy with iOS 11 other than appstore issues. The files app, dock bar and midi for AUs etc are great improvements.

    However there is one major bug with background midi being affected by app switching, losing time and communication when switching apps. This doesn't affect AUs hosted but apps connected by Core midi. This wasn't in 10 I'm sure.

    This is a huge bug if it isn't just with me and I'm surprised it got through this far without being addresssed.....It means playing live with iPad midi is out of the question unless you don't need to swap apps and recording sessions is very difficult now with core midi.

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @brambos said:
    I am in two minds about the new App Store.

    >

    I am in one mind, the new App Store is rubbish.

    1. It’s now quite tedious trying to look up previously purchased apps, then having to back out step by step.

    2. No Wish List means we have to make alternate arrangements, for no useful reason.

    3. Updates are definitely being staggered. Very often I read of something being updated, but cannot see it - manual refresh does nothing - until a day or two later.

    4. The way very old reviews keep percolating to the top does nobody any favours.

    5. Not having the slightest interest in whatever crap Apple wants to push, means most of the App Store is useless to me. Why can’t I tailor it so that it only shows me the type of apps I might actually buy?

    All in al i would say iOS 11 is almost fine now - and has some advantages for iOS musicians. I still hate the app store like you, and things have gotten worse.

    Patronizing AI app store?

    Apple don't listen anymore. Instead they promote and use "artificial intelligence" for their app store now - which is just a weasel word for patronizing customers and developers.

    Or in a short: "We decide what is interesting for you - we know better thanks to AI"

    Computer California is completely in AI gold rush. Because it works. For them. They earn more money thanks to this. Amazon uses it with lots of success. Search engines have (thanks to AI!) decided to ignore (!) some of your search words - because then you use more time for their products and they can more easily get you to exact the point they want to do. And so on.

    They are very happy about it.

  • 11 is a sluggish mess and I hope it gets an update real soon that makes it smoother!

  • edited November 2017

    @Carnbot said:
    I'm generally happy with iOS 11 other than appstore issues. The files app, dock bar and midi for AUs etc are great improvements.

    However there is one major bug with background midi being affected by app switching, losing time and communication when switching apps. This doesn't affect AUs hosted but apps connected by Core midi. This wasn't in 10 I'm sure.

    This is a huge bug if it isn't just with me and I'm surprised it got through this far without being addresssed.....It means playing live with iPad midi is out of the question unless you don't need to swap apps and recording sessions is very difficult now with core midi.

    Surprised you say that you didn’t come across this in iOS 10. It’s one of the many reasons I’m so keen on the iOS 11 AU Midi. Maybe it was more specific to device and / or iOS iteration and app?

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Zen210507 said:

    @brambos said:
    I am in two minds about the new App Store.

    >

    I am in one mind, the new App Store is rubbish.

    1. It’s now quite tedious trying to look up previously purchased apps, then having to back out step by step.

    2. No Wish List means we have to make alternate arrangements, for no useful reason.

    3. Updates are definitely being staggered. Very often I read of something being updated, but cannot see it - manual refresh does nothing - until a day or two later.

    4. The way very old reviews keep percolating to the top does nobody any favours.

    5. Not having the slightest interest in whatever crap Apple wants to push, means most of the App Store is useless to me. Why can’t I tailor it so that it only shows me the type of apps I might actually buy?

    I’m with Zen on this. The App Store was pretty poor for a company with this much resources. I say ‘was’, as now it is really bloody awful!

    Me too, the new store is worse from virtually every perspective, from UI to basic functionality. It’s one of the dumbest things Apple have done.

    Oh and I still have the rotation bug.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I'm generally happy with iOS 11 other than appstore issues. The files app, dock bar and midi for AUs etc are great improvements.

    However there is one major bug with background midi being affected by app switching, losing time and communication when switching apps. This doesn't affect AUs hosted but apps connected by Core midi. This wasn't in 10 I'm sure.

    This is a huge bug if it isn't just with me and I'm surprised it got through this far without being addresssed.....It means playing live with iPad midi is out of the question unless you don't need to swap apps and recording sessions is very difficult now with core midi.

    Surprised you say that you didn’t come across this in iOS 10. It’s one of the many reasons I’m so keen on the iOS 11 AU Midi. Maybe it was more specific to device and / or iOS iteration and app?

    Yeah that's weird, this wasn't a noticeably bad issue for me in 10.

  • @Looping_Loddar said:
    Apple don't listen anymore. Instead they promote and use "artificial intelligence" for their app store now - which is just a weasel word for patronizing customers and developers.

    Or in a short: "We decide what is interesting for you - we know better thanks to AI"

    It is terrifying, on one level, to see that tens of millions, at a conservative estimate, have literally been brainwashed by the media and corporate giants, into allowing what you describe so accurately.

    In the App Store or Amazon, it is an irritation. In wider reality, they have huge numbers of a generation entirely bamboozled as to life in general. :'(

  • @MonzoPro said:

    It’s one of the dumbest things Apple have done.

    All part of their less for more policy. Mr Cook is not so much a genius, as genius loci. ;)

  • Is there a list anywhere of which apps will not work under iOS11?

  • edited November 2017

    I just did the iOS update yesterday. Biggest problem so far is that now “Hey Siri” doesn’t work when the Smart Cover is closed. This is a pretty huge bug, as I use Hey Siri constantly. Or at least I used to before yesterday. :(

    In terms of the App Store, you used to be able to see your iTunes Card acct balance by scrolling down to the bottom of the screen. Any idea how to find that information now?

    Otherwise, things seem to be perking along fine, even on my modest Air 1. And the new IDAM MIDI is a massively useful new feature for anyone who uses the iPad with a desktop DAW.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    I just did the iOS update yesterday. Biggest problem so far is that now “Hey Siri” doesn’t work when the Smart Cover is closed. This is a pretty huge bug, as I use Hey Siri constantly. Or at least I used to before yesterday. :(

    In terms of the App Store, you used to be able to see your iTunes Card acct balance by scrolling down to the bottom of the screen. Any idea how to find that information now

    Tap on your 'icon' on the top right on the screen.
    (Can be accessed from everywhere in the AppStore app).

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