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http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11323
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@Simon, thanks for the further info! Symphonix Evolution running 256 polyphony + chorus and reverb on the iPad Air; Wow…
The post does mention the 1 gb ram limitation… It seems like this will likely lead to a desire/need to update from the iPad Air in 2-3 yrs down the line, IMO. But, that's probably Apple's biz plan, or hopes for all of us anyway…
Between this and the Auria post, it still leaves me wanting to see postings w more "scientific" performance reviews of the iPad Air running music apps. Hopefully coming soon...
Having said that, I'm in re: buying one… I have hundreds of apps and use the iPad more than my laptop, so I want to go for the largest offering available. I am interested in the iPad Mini 2, but unless it's easier to use it for music production than I think, I'll probably pass it. (I have big hands and like the larger screen on the regular iPads.)
But, I have to save up for the iPad Air 128 GB. Should be set to buy one in a few months… Must stay away from credit card, must stay away from credit card :-)
It does seem ok.said I wouldn't but had mine 2 days now.
Have run 20 tracks in cubasis,16 of them audio,running 4 effects on each track.
CPU indicator is around 25%.-30%
If you are using the cubasis keyboard to play an input app the CPU will move to 50% but drop back once you've recorded your track.
Can move around windows-pinch/zoom with no problem.
Doesn't feel as solid to hold as a ipad2.screen feels thinner-will not be pressing on it too hard!but very light in the hand.bought it thinking,test for a day and return if not happy.
I still have it...
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@Simon.you can see why apple are pushing the covers tho...drop one of these and it won't be getting up in a hurry..
I wonder if the thin glass will affect playing certain apps? I find I'm punching and pressing down quite hard when playing things like iFretless and ThumbJam. Might that damage the screen in the long run? I suppose it won't break the glass but mightn't it affect the underlying display/touch electronics eventually?
That was my thoughts @mmp and that's why I'm going easy on it
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Is it glass?Could be that stuff riot shields are made of...so may be ok:)
I think the RAM is an issue….but I own an iPad 4, and I think to wait iPad 6 with 2 GB of RAM…..before I have seen this video….now I don't know:
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Thanks @CommonStookie, I'm sure the surface itself is not too fragile, but, having heard about visual effects (color shifts and ripples, like what happens when I press down on my laptop screen) appearing when pressing down hard, I'm worried about touch sensitivity and the display itself deteriorating after a while. Apps like iFretless use the accelerator sensors to determine velocity so I expect one would loose expression when 'going easy' on that...I'll have to try one in a store to see how bad it actually is I guess.
The RAM is another issue but apparently the speed and bigger CPU cache are helping to mitigate that as various videos seem to show it can do quite well even with multiple audio apps, so although I would have liked more RAM, I'm not too worried about it anymore...and I tend to use not many apps at the same time anyway. But more RAM would certainly have made it more future-proof.
@mmp.ifretless is ok.i haven't needed to increase velocity on individual notes in cubasis after recording.
I'm not sure if the screen is any thinner then the ipad2,and if you press down in the middle of the ipad2 screen,you see the screen flex in the same way.(if anything,slightly more).something I never really noticed before.
"Between this and the Auria post, it still leaves me wanting to see postings w more "scientific" performance reviews of the iPad Air running music apps. Hopefully coming soon..." / Dj8
Nothing scientific here (my Air is still somewhere between China and here)...
But CPU wise it's 2x as fast as the iPad 4 (well this is the only scientific/real usage spec). The CPU, being 64bit, leaves room for further speed improvements with apps that are updated/using 64bit mode, at the cost of using more RAM then their 32bit counterparts. The RAM is still only 1GB and will cause the same issues (if you had any) as on the iPad 3 and iPad 4, or more eventually with more and more apps moving to 64bit mode. There's nothing magical inside the Air that changes the fact that it's still using a measly 1GB RAM, despite what Apple (and new owners) wants you to think
The above video is purely a showcase for how much more you can squeeze out of the CPU. The RAM doesn't hold anymore then iPad 3/4 would if those CPUs could run all those audio/synth engines at the same time.
The faster system might be able to shuffle things back into RAM when switching between apps that runs as IAA etc, giving an illusion, if you will, when switching from the multitask screendump that all the synths/apps are actually still fully open and running inside the RAM. All this background audio/midi is great for us iOS musicans, but It'll all still be an unreliable/unstable system though until more RAM is added.
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Yeah if it'd had more RAM I'd be typing this 'on the Air' already! But right now I don't think I will need to upgrade from my '4 quite yet.
Somehow I suspect there might be a new iPad ('pro'?) in spring, with more RAM and possibly an A7X, and maybe at 12" allowing for a bigger battery too without getting much thicker; but it will be a lot more expensive too I guess...
@Simon I wasn't pointing any fingers. Just meant the usual new-owner hyperbole that is so easy to pick up on when reading about new devices (whatever it may be). The video is great, and Anthony Alvares do a really great job showcasing the raw CPU power this thing got!
Has anyone tried Sampletank x 4 channels plus Thumbjam plus beatmaker plus samplr plus 4 synths....
I'm interested to know how it hanldles a few high quality sample based apps plus synths and Auria etc..
@DaveMagoo.dont have Sampletank but have just run..
(Not in AB)
Cubasis running-Thumbjam -Nave-ielectric-animoog-Thor
CPU 30-40%
Edit...and isem.
Will see if I can record them all to separate audio tracks after lunch...
Dang, my iPad mini is looking old now.
@anyone...how would I set that up in cubasis...6 separate midi apps all playing at the same time being recorded to 6 seperate audio tracks...never tried that before on here..
Edit..the midi bit is fine.its just the routing for the audio.
Silly me.
That can't be done can it?
Just switched to AB...it only lets me load 3 synths...but to clarify...
I just ran 6 synths with AB and Cubasis running and recorded 3 of them (at the same time) as stereo audio tracks.
CPU 40%ish....less then 50% for sure.
As "a new owner" I couldn't care what people think of it - buy it if you like or don't.
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Selling my iPad 4. I'm still waiting for my 64GB iPad Air.
I have been looking for an all round solution for a while and tonight I was experimenting with the following setup which works great on iPad 4.....I would love to know how well it performs on iPad Air......
1/ Start Audiobus making sure its 512 frames.
2/ Launch Auria in output slot.
3/ Launch BM2 in input slot.
4/ Setup channel 1 & 2 in BM2 as Drum Machine.
5/ Add a new track in Auria and launch an IAA app such as ISEM.
6/ Launch a Keyboard Sampler track in BM2 with an 'Empty Preset'.
7/ Setup the midi to control ISEM from BM2 in the above track.
8/ Configure Auria & BM2's midi so Auria's transport and clock control BM2's.
With the above setup you can record midi into the tracks in BM2 and use the Audiobus side panel to start playback using Auria's transport controls whilst still in BM2.
Once you have some melodies and drums you can add more IAA synths etc as above (steps 5 to 7) CPU and Memory permitting !
You can also use Auria's excellent effects to craft the sounds further.....
Let me know if anyone tries this on iPad Air as I max out with the following playing together....on iPad 4......
Audiobus
Auria
BM2 x 2 Drum machines / Microwave /
ISEM / Aufx Space
Alchemy / Pro Q
Nlog / Aufx Dub
Nave
Pro C
Pro L
This has to be the best setup I have found to work yet on IOS and everything saves and reloads with the exception of Alchemy which is a bit dodgy anyhow......definetly hope its a dream setup on iPad Air.
I'm still on the fence, but I really appreciate the reports on what folks are experiencing. Don't care so much about lab reports as real world experience. Keep em coming.
Thanks to all for the info. More confirmation that the IPad Air will be a worthy update from my iPad 2.
This is the more detailed info I was hoping for... As far as I'm concerned, the more info, the better.
I'm selling my iPad 2 to a family member and was totally convinced I was getting an iPad 4 to replace it....that is until I read this thread!
@DaveMagoo..I don't have Auria/Alchemy/Nlog.
But happy to compare if we can arrange same setup.
And only if Chris and Frankie stop being grumpy;)
Did folks see these tweets from Tempo Rubato? I'm not certain that they were linked to earlier in the thread:
-- CPU: 40% (iPad4) > 23% (iPadAir 32bit mode) > 18% (iPadAir true 64bit mode) using Nave, 8 voices "I am Nave"
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-- The RAM footprint of Nave is increased about 4-5% in true 64bit mode. This looks reasonable to me.
I looks pretty certain that there will be something of a RAM bottleneck as devs switch to true 64bit. Mind you I am loving my new iPad Air :-)
@commonstookie - me being grumpy? Never. I liked Simon's comment and that was it. I love the iPad and I am sure we all do. What I wouldn't do is try to put people off from making a choice based on my personal preferences. The great thing about this forum is the divergent views make it very interesting and educational so all is good.
I bought iPad 1 when the critics said it was going to be just a big iPhone. Also, there was nothing else available for making a comparison. Apple has made a massive leap with iPad Air as compared to the first iteration which was no slouch.
Can we get a perfect iPad? Yes and No. For my partner who sometimes uses my iPad for surfing the net, Twitter and FB and some word processing, my iPad 4 is the dog's bollocks. Fast and sexy :-)
For some musos, iPad Air is still a toy when compared to their super PCs and Macs. My 2006 Mac Pro has 9GB Ram but that's another story. Irrespective of what people think this latest iPad is awesome for mobile computing and some of the improvements as stated by users on this thread proves that we can create masterpieces on this sensual beauty. Driving and recording five synths at the same time is pure bliss and some wicked orchestrations are the horizon. We are definitely on the next level.