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The Vodafone Australia spokesman is named "Geeke van der Sluis!" Really?
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Ok, after having checked it out at the Apple store, I'm holding out to March/April for an ipad pro if things seem to start going that way. Besides having zero patience for low RAM crashes because of intentionally included low RAM when it is obviously needed for both games and audio apps, this thing feels very fragile. The lightness is nice, as my arms do fall asleep sometimes while holding my 4th gen ipad, but the air really has poor build quality, and all I can think of is my Brother's bent but usable ipad mini. Yes, my brother owns a curved glass device, clearly beating the marketplace!
The air seemed thinner than the iphone 5S and I'm not quite sure what the purpose of that is. Like others have mentioned, touchscreen response is strange compared to 4th Gen ipad too, and not obviously better in that regard.
When apple made all of those claims about how they refined the iPhone production process down to very specific tolerances with the 5, I always wondered why they never attempted to do the same for the ipad.
After using it for a half hour, it is obvious to me that ipad mini upgraders to the new retina mini edition are really going to get the best deal here, and may even get a much more structurally sound device out of the process compared to standard ipad upgraders.
I am more willing to check out the retina mini in the coming months than I was before I tried the Air. I may upgrade to that while awaiting an ipad pro, but not if it is just as flimsy as the air.
Poor engineering here, I'm certain we'll see changes next year for the air with tweaked design to fix this somehow.
You can call Apple out for a lot of things, but "poor engineering" ain't one of them. Sorry.
No, "poor engineering" is not what it is.
It's more about the choices they've made. After the uproar over the iPad 3 and 4 being thicker and heavier than the iPad 2, they've decided to go all-out on weight-saving and thickness this time. They've produced an impressive result and most people are quite taken with the new shape and lighter feel.
I can understand that, even though to myself weight and thickness aren't all that important. If it had been the same shape and weight as my 4 but with more RAM and longer battery life, I would have bought one already.
But most users will want the lighter weight and thickness, and it's been getting great reviews and seems to be selling like hotcakes, so they've probably made the right choices for most.
The Air+iOS7+1GB RAM is kinda like running windows 95/98, you never quite know when it'll crash but you do know it will. Doing things like browsing a large-ish media library with a media center app is a good example where a crash is very likely to happen as more posters, media, pictures etc loads (here a regular computer would temporarily fall back to its storage, but not Apple and their iOS, uh-uh!). Having a tab or two loaded in whatever browser you use and perhaps the mail client and a YouTube client open in the background while browsing the AppStore would be a typical lite usage scenario in most cases, but not here.
Right now fact is that the Air and iOS 7 is definitely struggling with the RAM regardless of usage (unless it's a dedicated recipe book on yer fridge), no doubt about that. All we can do is wait and hope Apple gets iOS 7 to a more stable place sooner rather then later, since it will eventually hurt the brand name.
Anyway, low RAM crashes galore aside, the CPU is fast. Really fast. Like WEEEEEEEE BITCHES!! fast.
Can't see the CPU becoming any kind of (real) bottleneck for anything in the next few years really. Not sure how long it keeps up the clock-frequency under heavy usage, but it does get a bit warm quite quickly when putting a non-stop pressure on the CPU for a few min. But even when it's down clocking it's still a monster!
I can definitely see where all the concerns about it breaking so easily comes from. If you are, like me, prone to dropping your iPads all over, you do wanna put a hard case on this one that can absorb hits both back and front. Unlike earlier iPads the whole frame/bezels are a lot thinner and very much hollow, and there's no thick nice Gorilla glass that can absorb hits on the display, but some very thin film-like material this time around.
As a music production device, as long as developers don't get lazy and waste the RAM with unnecessary flashy graphics and whatnot, and as long as the apps can communicate in the background properly via AB, IAA etc without actually having to load all it's assets into the RAM, the device will go a long way (as soon as Apple get their fixes/patches out). Music production especially I think, will see less issues with the RAM then alot of other kinds of usage scenarios thanks to these background communications in place.
So you've crashed your Air, @ChrisG? Which app in particular crashed? Or was it a hard reset type of crash? Just curious. Thanks.
Take your pick. "Crashes" as in iOS closing things down due to low RAM, not bugs in any particular app (it affects Apples own apps/systems). But, as I said earlier, I'm really hopeful they will get it to a more stable place. 1. they have to, and 2. iOS 7 was rushed to begin with so lots and lots to fix and improve upon.
That's crazy. My iPad 2 on iOS7 hardly ever crashes and when it does I can almost always trace it back to something on my end (like when my kids hold my iPad and I get it back and try to open a music app and it crashes - then I look at the currently running apps and find out there are like 47 open apps). It's noticeably slower than iOS 6 for sure - animations are choppy sometimes etc, but it doesn't crash on me. I wonder if you might have a faulty device honestly.
Apple's design and engineering strategy is top secret. Ask Samsung. The "poor engineering" description does not do justice with Apple's iPad Air. Johnny Ive knows a thing or two about engineering.
Having upgraded from iPad 4 to iPad Air, I can say my money has been well spent. Absolutely. The assertion above by @mmp that iMini upgraders would have the better deal is just an opinion which is very subjective indeed. Personally the iPad mini is too small for my little hands so the new lighter and more powerful Air is just what the doctor ordered.
Now where is my BIAS:)
After using the iPad Air for only a day, I can say I've not had any crashes. Maybe it is because that inherently I think the iPad is not a Mac so I don't try to overload it with RAM intensive apps. I more or less use the iPad as a plugin for Logic so it's all gravy at the moment.
We all use the iPad differently so yes crashes will happen for some. Maybe it is also good to know how far you can push this baby before the inevitable crash and burn.
It's easy to crash the Air. Running fabfilters on multiple tracks in Auria will do it quickly. I've even had CPU crashes with the Air doing that. I'm not complaining much though. Thanks to Auria I got a bunch of fabfilters for less than the cost of one desktop fabfilter. It's easy to freeze and unfreeze tracks, for now. The RAM is stupidly low on the Air, but they must have chosen that name with plans for a Pro version soon. I can hope anyway.
@boone51 , yea my iPad 2 with iOS 7 is definitely much smoother UI wise then the Air. And that is just another thing that shows how rushed this all is, and how much improvements there still is to be done with iOS 7 and the Air. Which is a good thing, as long as it doesn't take Apple another year...
@FrankieJay: Actually I was talking about the Apple going all-out to make a lighter full-sized iPad with the iPad Air, not the Mini.
I think the Mini will be too small for many music apps with buttons and knobs and keyboards getting too small, lettering and markings too tiny to read, guitar strings too close together, etc., but that's another matter.
What the what? Did you say your iPad 2 has a SMOOTHER UI experience than the Air? Can that be right? Surely not... That would be shocking to me.
Yea the iOS 7 UI on the Air has some issues, but that's been known since release. The OS UI that is. Not apps in general (hey, this thing actually makes the Auria edit window completely smooth, which is saying quite a lot about the CPU:)
tested it in the shop and was shocked how lightweight it is compared to my iPad4.But i'm on Chris side...i treat my iPad with care,yes,but i have it always in my bag (in a smart case)and carry it arround A LOT.Even if i don't like the weight of it,i DO like that it's otherwise build like a tank.It dropped a couple of times but nothing happened.I totally trust it's bulid quality.And only 1GB Ram in the air made my descision easier:i'll stick with my 4 until next year.First my plan was to sell it asap when the Air came out (because i still have full warranty until end of january=better price)but that doesn't matter.The only downside is that i have to stick with this shitty sluggish experience that aurias edit screen gives me.It's even worse with iOS7 now.And this after i spent 300€ with all plugins...anyway,hope Steinberg will deliver some automation and IAA support soon.
@ChrisG - you sold me with the Auria edit window comment...You could have said it actually caught your pants on fire a few times and I'd still be pumped about making that damn edit window feel actually responsive. I can get some fire retardant pants.
Lol. The edit window is totally broken on iPad 2 right now, due to some bugs in iOS 7 (according to Wavemachine Labs). When I use the pinch to zoom on iPad 2 in Auria on iOS 7.03 it's like, I pinch, lift my fingers and wait ~5 sec for it to actually react, mess around too much in the edit window eventually results in low memory warnings, Picasso paintings and crashes. On the Air, I was zooming and zippin around that demo track Auria installs the first time you open it, it's around 24+ tracks I think? I think the Air is the first iPad that actually can achieve that lol
Makes you wonder how Auria devs can cope with coding & testing their own app when even the flagship (up until now) iPad can't run it all smoothly...
Was a bug introduced in the update prior to iOS 7.04 (or if it was the one prior to 7.03). So it's all Apple this time, messing up other people's/devs/companies hard work.
It brings me joy and also annoys me that I've stuck with iOS 6 on my ipad 4. I can't get any iOS 7 specific app and features, but on the other hand, I'm not getting any iOS 7 issues either.
Apple needs to get its act together here.
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It isn't like Apple is like Microsoft or Linux which has to run their OS on all types of bizarre hardware configurations.
Apple knows exactly the configuration of the hardware because they are the ones producing it.
As a result, they have far less reasonable room for silly excuses, and it is obvious they rushed this one. The early security design flaws after official release of the 5S prove that.
Definitely don't think it is unreasonable to expect iOS 7 to run on ipad 2 as Apple is still selling it in their stores right now! They haven't end-of-lifed it or phased it out at all.
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Simon wrote: " They only have to get the iOS to work with a few hundred thousand apps :-) "
Nope... They only have to get the OS working with a handful of their own-built devices.
Getting an app to work with the OS is a developers job.
Happily riding iOS 6 for the time being. (On my main music-making device, iPad4 that is. My guinea pig iPhone is out of favour having cheated and moved in with iOS7, even though it keeps calling me to forgive them and take them back.)
Am having no ram issues and have not had a crash with mine.i quit 'testing' it after a couple of days...I think I did a 16 audio track 'test' with cubasis running 4 effects on each track.cpu was still less then half.i haven't done similar test to @ChrisG but I'm sure if I did,at some point,with enough apps running,I could get mine to start misbehaving.
So far,I've been able to do what I set out to do...make music.and each time I've asked for 'a bit more',it's been happy to give it.As far as music making is concerned,I've got no where near this things limits yet.
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@commomstookie - very wise indeed.
It's all Apple's fault; can't innovate, can't design, can't make apps to work under iOS 7, can't make an iPad 3 do the things iPad Air does etc Some of those scenarios I've obviously made up. Apple cannot please everyone but their platform is like no other. In mobile music, Audiobus et al.
One thing I've learned dealing with and buying Apple stuff is they are always on the move and you can try to catch them at your own peril. Cash to burn? Be their guest.
From buying a G4 to G5 to Mac Pro and now iPads, it feels like Apple has a vendetta against me because all my previous Macs cannot now run Mavericks and my previous iPad 4 was not as slick as the new darling iPad Air. However, my studio rig does all I want from it. Lessons learned - stick to your tried and tested system as long as your are productive because new OSes will always kill hardware, software and everything in between.
Commonstookie got it spot on with his approach.
I think you make a fundamental mistake in thinking some of us did not want to upgrade, and are bemoaning the fact that our current device doesn't perform like the latest model.
It's a complete weasel of an argument to suggest that.
People are saying that iOS 7 has issues on the latest model. The iOS should for all intents and purposes work perfectly on these brand new devices, which iOS 7 was designed directly for.
Also, the build quality of the ipad air has been reviewed all across the net, and it has performed far worse than any previous ipad. That is undeniably true at this point, and drop tests have proved it across youtube.
Can't remember any prior release of idevices flubbed like this except for the really poor antennas in the iphone 4.