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we'll have to see how the ram thing pans out,but if apple are saying GB can do 32 tracks on the new pads,they may be more then enough for some of us.
OK, not getting one then. Bummer.
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You can be sure of that. One can never have enough memory, especially with growing graphics and multitasking demands.
When the iPad first came out, it was primarily intended for content consumption. Now, as processors get more powerful, it's being used more and more for content creation. Photo and video editing are highly memory-intensive tasks, even more so than music creation. Graphics workstations have always been at the forefront of memory expansion. Not saying that the iPad will replace such workstations, but more and more people will use them for such tasks.
I'm sort of expecting another refresh next spring, with TouchID and more memory. iPad Pro, perhaps, in addition to and probably more expensive than the Air. They need something to counter Surface Pro as well.
@mmp: I agree!
@Simon: Speed or power of the cpu is not the problem but the ram! I had problems on my iPhone 5 with ram limitation (yes, in my workflow i need all the ram!). 64bit apps should need more ram too etc. Perhaps it's enough for most.... but not for me.
Kickstarter is not good for all: I'm thinking to all people have buy Miselu C.24 and in the product production have buy the new iPad Air….this device is not compatible now
The C.24 just won't work as a cover for the Air, otherwise it is compatible.
Read the review, it's sad Apple...The RAM is a major bottleneck here. But seeing as the vast majority of their consumers are happy with some web surfing, facebooking and games, Apple being Apple took the cheapest way out. Again. Despite the ridiculous amount of cash just raining over Cupertino thanks to the iDevices..
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@funkjunkie27...not confirmed yet.
From the kick starter website....
Yes. The iPad Air and the iPad mini Retina should work fine in the slot. Once we have them at our office we will work on that and post an update about it.
Ok...I may have misread their announcement. I imagine that if the Bluetooth implementation and virtual midi are the same, or backwards compatible, it should work.
Ipad 4 running bm2 into Auria via Audiobus and using IAA in bm2 processing into Aurias fx.....CPU fine.....ram not enough....extra ram is a must !
Regarding 1GB ram…
I really wish Apple would get out of the business of pissing me off.
This seems to be the only area I'm seeing them innovate in lately.
I'm so torn on this one having an ipad 4th gen at the moment which I've already got family members lined up to buy from me at a discount.
At this point, I can only hope for an ipad pro within the next couple of months as I'll be stuck with the ipad air until then.
Damn you Apple!
I really hope when the tear downs come out Friday I can come back here and say "na na na, told you guys..." but I fear that may not happen. As I mentioned before, if the 5S is anything to go by, its not looking good for more ram. If it's true, it's disappointing...but only slightly, honestly. I'll still be in line Friday.
Yeah, Id say that if this really does only end up with 1GB of ram that will lend a lot of credibility to the iPad Pro speculation. I can only imagine what the price tag on that will be. Air for me now, thanks.
I assume the mini will also have 1GB. Makes the decision harder now they we seem to know pretty well that the Air and Mini will truly be identical in terms of power and memory.
Why can't Apple allow the NAND storage to be used as a temp RAM dump, instead of just flat out closing (aka crashing) apps. This would atleast allow users to save their shit before iOS decides to crash the party. Is there a technical reason for this (I'm not talking about it being slower, which it will be), or is it simply restricted by software/Apple?
Not trying to stir up or start anything but man the whining around here can really get old at times. The idea is to create music people not collect devices that theoretically allow you to do whatever you can think of. Work around the limitations.
Geez not to harp on the Beatles thing from earlier but when people whine about 16 bit audio not being good enough I always laugh and think it's more than the Beatles had to work with. Do you think they (or their engineers and producers) sat around thinking 4 tracks is not enough? They worked around the limitations they had. It's called creativity.
Not trying to ruffle any feathers here but had to get that off my chest.
First world problems indeed. Back to your regularly scheduled program.
$800-$900 bucks really ain't no first world problem. There are/were no real world limitations, or any real impact on the financial aspects. as to what amount of RAM Apple could've put in the Air. Beatles? Like the car?
@yowza, no ruffled feathers here. I would just point out that I'm pretty sure that the Beatles got excited by new hardware just like we do. When a new effect was released, you can bet they were one of the first to pick it up and toy with it to see if it would fit into their process. If it didn't live up to their expectations, they probably complained a little. All of this is just speculation obviously, but I'd guess that they were human and got disappointed just like we do. Doesn't mean we're going to burn our guitars and stop playing. Its just a conversation amongst musicians.
@boone51
Sure they used what was available at the time and when more tracks etc were available of course they used them. They also created new ways to come up with sounds like hanging a mic cable from the ceiling and start it swinging back and forth and recording that as an effect but that was working within what is there at the moment not wishing for something they didn't have which was the point I was trying to make.
I've been guilty of all of this myself many times I just think it's funny that it doesn't seem to matter what Apple does people will always complain about why didn't they do more. Once 2 gb of Ram starts showing up in iPads people will gripe about why doesn't it have 4 gb. It never ends.
@ ChrisG Yes $800 to $900 is exactly a first world problem. Do you think someone in the third world would have that kind of money to spend on a music device?
Sorry don't mean to come across as so cranky this morning. I'll go back to my usual lurking. Carry on.
I understood what you were saying, @yowza. I'm just saying that I would guess they got disappointed just like we do. I'd bet they even complained sometimes.
I've seen and heard some amazingly creative things done with iPads and iOS music making in general. I think you can be creative and still bitch about things though. In fact, I think creative folks are more prone to bitching than almost anyone I've ever met. It's in an artists blood to never be satisfied imo.
Mmhhh... people always try to tell me that in the past they used just this and that and they don't had the tools. Million years ago i had to hunt my food. Today i go to the shopping mall... And the kind of music i make was not possible in the past... I can't talk about The Beatles because i'm too young
I know what you people mean but we live im another time now and since the cheap Android devices comes with 3GB (soon with 4GB). Of course i can work around this limitations but it would be so easy with more ram. I prefer using AudioTracks all the time. A track with up to 50 AudioTracks eat the ram for breakfast. I had to make a lot pre-mixdowns. Audiobus Sessions i had to set together in over 10 minutes.... bam... crash and all settings gone etc. etc. I got very often the message in NanoStudio or BeatMaker "Save your work - low memory". There are bigger problems i know but especially if you buy now a new device which should run fine in the next 2-3 years i think at least 2GB ram is a must! But i also think after the "Air" comes a "Pro".
@yowza In the past you could count on having an Apple device for several years and still be able to run the latest software. As several people have mentioned, the RAM can be a bottleneck when you try to create music as many of the synths and effects are ram intensive and will start to get sound artifacts or crash. It's to be expected that newer apps that take advantage of the newer hardware will push the limits which is fine if you can afford to buy a new iPad every year or two. How much would it really cost to add more ram not to mention how Apple does not support external storage so you pay a premium for that too? There is no way different apps can share the same storage so even a sample you can use in two different apps has to be duplicated which chews up the storage also.
I'll use the iPads I have now and see about using them to control desktop based music production software until a more music production friendly iPad arrives.
At this point I can take the money I'd spend on an iPad air and buy a Korg MS-20 mini or other analog synth and not have to worry that it will be obsolete in three years.
Only 1 GB of RAM…..too much speed but the same Apps that I can open….I think to stay on my iPad 4...
One of the major points of having a 64-bit CPU is the ability to address more ram.
And yet apple does nothing to bump the ram.
You don't have to be a genius to understand why any of us would be WTF'ing the specs, unless your mission in life is to be a bomb throwing troll.
Really sick of seeing such stupid posts around.
Look at price of device
Look at specs
Look at specs of cheaper devices
Use Brain
If none of the above allow you to achieve a logical conclusion, troll forum.
FWIW, I don't see adding another 1 GB of ram as a cost issue with Apple, but more of a battery issue. Another 1 GB of ram would constantly be sucking on that battery which would lead to a decrease in battery life which there is no way Apple would accept. Until there are some battery technology advancements, I think we will continue to see the marginal ram increases every 2 years or so. That is, unless an entirely new design such as an iPad Pro is announced.
Maybe an ipad pro, if it is this mystical 13" design we hear rumored, will be able to use its extra size for battery power, but it really seems like it couldn't add much more power since at the same time it would have to drive a larger screen, possibly at a denser pixel count
I still don't think an iPad pro would have a larger screen. Instead, I would think they would just pack more pixels into the current screen size to get the PPI up to the seemingly new Apple standard of 326.
Hmm, maybe this year I'll stick with my ipad 4 and get a macmini instead.