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^^ now that's what I call ending on a positive note
me too
A bit of controversy about this video over on the Elektronauts forum. Two things to consider: 1. The Elektron boxes have all been collaborative efforts between many people; 2. The tone/aesthetic of this video is supposed to be funny (chemtrail/conspiracy vibes).
indeed.... I am new to the Elektron Ethos, have only ever owned a digitakt and Model samples but I find the animosity directed towards the Model samples to be quite strange... people are almost openly upset about Elektron going in an more accessible direction with their last few models. I think it's weird because I see a lot of the same people who claim the octatrakt is some sort of ultimate beat machine that needs nothing else upset about the model samples.. I don't really get it as if they are so satisfied with the octatrakt then why need to feel anything negative about the model samples ...
anyways beat machine forums certainly have come a long way from the days of people just talking trash on the mpc and maschine forums, they are getting strangely deep and misty eyed in the elektron era
we're already talking about something subjective so I won't post some links to anyones post but there are definitely some folks who lost the plot over the existence of the Model Samples, and the post I've seen weren't in any grey area frame of mind about it, but.... to the larger point there are obviously to viable streams of elektron user base for elektron to plunder for years to come... there are people who love the digitakt, hate the octatrakt, and vice versa and lots of talk about the model samples being an ittybitty future classic being so easy to use while still having individual scaling, track lengths, enhanced probability, enhanced almost knob per function, lfo destination trigs, and class compliancy among the majority expected core elektron features/vibe, and they even dropped sample lock into the mix....
imho it just wouldn't make sense for elektron not to go down both of these lanes
As both an Octatrack and Model:Samples owner I consider each to be miracles in box form which hold their respective lanes beautifully. To be upset (in any way) that one company releases truly diverse tools is (to me) missing the point assuming the point is to make your best music and enjoy the hell out of doing it.
Push 2 is amazing. 🤗
Maschine too.
I prefer Rytm and A4; outside of sequencing, Digitakt/Digitone are very limited (for me) in terms of functionality and Model:Samples (LOL, sorry).
But if they work for you, then great.
so many great records have been made with beat machines that could do far less than a model samples it's ridiculous... and it's workflow is so musical it's cake to use... you can actually groove with it, not talking about listening to a groove that you made on it but groove with it, while it's true something like the octatrakt allows more mental masterbation, those same things that make it great make it less capable of a realtime rhythmic hands on workflow.
Don't get me wrong though I'm still fascinated by the octa at a distance and will probably add one to the family at some point but all of the elektron boxes have something special and distinctive... personally I think the Mds is one of the most perfect beat machines for minimal techno that I've ever seen, and also I think a lot of sp-404 type beat makers are going to find their way to one as well.. I've been running mind through a gang of pedals, like the Montreal assembly count to 5, red panda tensor, and cooper fx pedals and it's non-stop fun
at least we all love Push/ ableton live
Yeah, that's a good call too. I've often said if you ignore the computer aspect (which is simple to do since it was designed to be run entirely from hardware), Maschine is the best groovebox going.
I've had a long relationship with Elektron, from being on the OT and MD beta team to running the Elektron forums for a few years. I can see why people are a little upset that they haven't done "new" high end item in awhile, it's more or less how they made a name for themselves. To many it looks like now they are just diluting the same few ideas into simpler and simpler products. Hopefully this is just a way to build the resources to actually do something a bit more groundbreaking like they used to. But hard to say, Elektron of today is a lot different from Elektron of the early years too.
not on this forum though, in this thread though... here we just converse about music, instruments, and tools because we like it and are comfortable doing so.
regarding elektron, I think they have a keen understanding of ebb and flow and where it might seem like they've locked themselves into something It can also look like they've opened themselves up to the opportunity of marrying their flagship features with this evolved workflow kick they're on into something special, I'd love to get my hands on something as powerful as the octatrack and as workflow centric as the model samples... and now they've created the space for something like that if they want it.
maschine will always be a nice bit of kit, but I think the hard knocks it's had haven't actually stemmed from it being able to be controlled as a stand alone unit which it can so much as it needing to be augmented by other daws etc... to go as far as other stand alone units can go on their own. It's nice to not look at the computer but sometimes one can get a little weary of going into other daws or platforms to do the little groovebox things like tempo automation, intelligent mute recording, etc.. diff time sigs and whatnot, midi merging tracks, ... imagine if going from an octatrack to a model samples peeved you off how peeved you'd be having to go into logic or ableton all the time to do stuff an mpc 500 could do years ago.
I still think maschine's prowess lay within it's eco system, the whole komplete universe stuff., it's a nice package.
Looking at the premium prices elektron are still asking for their products, I do miss the innovation and the creative minds that made them big in the earlier days.
Take the Octatrack as an example. Great features, but the workflow, even with mk2, is still not everyone‘s business and if you want something more user-friendly, you‘ve got to look elsewhere (AKAI Force, Ableton+Push 2, Maschine 3, maybe even the Deluge).
Take the Digitone Keys for example. I love the build quality, its concept and hands-on control, but at a price of or higher than the Korg Prologue 8 or a Nord Lead A1 or a DSI Prophet REV2-8 or a King Korg?
Not really.
opinions, of course everyone here has an opinion, I was referring to the bickering, generally speaking we don't bicker about things like this on this forum and I wasn't aware of anyone bickering in this thread.... we bicker about others stupid shit on this forum, not about elektron, who knows maybe that'll change but until then... I'm sure most of us will continue to converse about them because a lot of us own their instruments and enjoy using and talking about them, and most of the people here that I know of who own elektron products not unlike myself also own ableton, maschine, mpcs, as well as other stuff so that is probably the reason for less dumb shit over the subject of elektron.
ah but like you said...
true, I just try not to look at the price as much as possible these days when it comes to something I know I want cause it's like maybe it's too much but what else am I gonna spend the money on... something I want less
.... I put another cup-o-noodles in a bowl and get down to it lol
the digitone and takt side by side just feels good. We've got so many features these days now it's all about the feels
It is!
And yes, I'm curious what else Behringer are going to cook for us in the near future
I had a Digitakt for about 3 month because a lot of videos at YT inspired me and I was curious.
But I never got the wow effect while using it and it took me 3 months to find out that the Elektron workflow is not mine.
I also missed the mobility aspect, the reason why I love my iPad.
Now I enjoy completely opposite experiences with the Synthstrom Deluge, handcrafted by a small company in New Zealand!
Love the size, the mobility and the connectivity. I love the Sound capabilities of the synths, the Kits and the (stereo) Sampler. For almost all tweaking settings I can use fast shortcuts on the matrix. No problem for me to dig in the Sequencer which offers also parameter locks and TrigConditions . Sequences can be as long as I want and the overall sequencer overview in the pads grid feels comfortable for me. But the most important for me is the workflow aspect. I have the Deluge for 2 weeks now and I have already 11 different projects running while learning. Never I got so fast, so nicely sequences running. This was not possible for me with the Digitakt. The Deluge is the first all in one device what inspiring me day by day and I love to work with it.. I couldn’t be happier! 👍
Sure, these are my subjective experiences. Other loves the Digitakt and the Elektron workflow. 😊
Deluge and Digitakt are difficult to compare. I own both devices, but never use them at the same time. I treat myself to this luxury. They give me completely different musical results. However, if I had to sell one of them, I would definitely keep the Deluge.
Played with the Digitakt at the store after seeing it forever on Reddit. Liked the size and feel of it. But I really couldn't figure out what it could do that the iPad + midi controller couldn't do. I haven't read extensively or orderly, just watched a dozen videos and skimmed a few threads, but usually I would have realized what the what was by now.
Can someone clue me in? Possible space that size on my live rig, but no real strong needs that are not covered by iPad, Sirin, Minilogue XD and midi controller.
@Multicellular Run 8 instances of ReSlice or another sampler, add some LFOs and FX, and you get a better, polyphonic capable Digitakt.