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Why are you convinced that most people were already exposed? There doesn't seem to be any generally accepted data to show this.
As of about a week ago, the seroprevalence in New York City seemed to be about 22%. NYC has had one of the worst outbreaks. If they were only at 22% a week ago, it seems highly unlikely that most Brits were already infected long ago. If what you say is true, the epidemic would be in much sharper decline in the UK than it is.
You need to look into Bill Gates and his vaccine agenda (and the problems he has caused).
There’s a chance this virus will just disappear naturally and/or we build natural immunity to it.
And btw, I’m not anti vaccine, just cautious.
Thinking that the virus will disappear or that we will build natural immunity without massive death and suffering sounds like wishful thinking. Highly transmissive viruses don't just disappear on their own -- and this one that leaves so many mildly affected would be particularly unlikely to go away. Unlike SARS or Ebola -- which are only highly transmissive AFTER people are symptomatic -- COVID-19 unfortunately starts being transmitted before people are symptomatic.
Apart from everyone that’s shopping online, working from home, and not mixing with other people you mean? Including my family, for example.
And the fact that workers forced into contact with others via their jobs, are dropping like flies?
And people shut away together in care homes are also dying in great numbers?
Etc.
The care homes are a tragedy. I read that when they were clearing beds in the hospital’s to make room they were deliberately moving old people into care homes even though the doctors suspected that they had Covid19.
Care homes are a travesty.
I’ll be very surprised if there aren’t criminal charges to face at some point:
“ The initial strategy of allowing herd immunity to develop in the wider community was pursued, but the most vulnerable people were not protected. Though harvesting may not have been the government’s intention, it became the de facto policy in the absence of adequate protections for older and vulnerable people.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/care-home-residents-harvested-left-to-die-uk-government-herd-immunity?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Unfortunately, while I’d fully support criminal charges, and possibly break my lifelong opposition to capital punishment, this shower of shits will likely never face justice of any sort, and with the mongs of misinformation already running riot both in the media and in the public at large, the truth will be long buried by the time we’re allowed to ‘make it political’
That was a pretty good rant I think 😇
Not so sure. People are dying - and the virus has no respect for class or status.
There will be hundreds, if not thousands of grieving, angry families that may take private legal action against the government, and it’s worth noting the leader of the opposition is a top barrister.
I don’t think they’ll get away with this one.
That might well happen, it has at smaller scales before I guess, and the scale now is much greater than Hillsborough for example. I hope so but I certainly won’t hold my breath though, cheers @MonzoPro
My wife because of her job is a key worker, and exposed to a number COVID-19 positive custodies several times a day, each day, as they come from or go back to prison. The court staff had now been asked to fill in at police stations because a lot of police were off sick.
Does anybody know what word people used in this context before the word 'agenda' was popularized for use under this context?
Ulterior motive?
I was under the impression that ulterior motive is used generally for describing a hidden motive, but it seems that the way people use the word agenda these days is even for people with clear motives no matter what their motives are?
An agenda in the context you reference is when I am acting, addressing or manipulating issues based on my pre-determined preference for a particular result or outcome.
ahh I see... the term is used so much these days within the realm of facts that it takes a little getting used to. I remember when long before the days of alternative facts that the word agenda would come up in a discussion but because of the presence of facts no one would pay it much mind.... its completely opposite now. Now one can state that the sun is shining in the sky and someone else will point out that that is only based on ones agenda... these are very perplexing times.
I guess the days for when critical thinking meant to discern a truth, lie, or fact are gone and the days to discern an agenda are here for a good long stay.
Maybe, though it seems to me that people use it in that way, even if the motives are clear, they may not be forthright about them...
sometimes someone will say to me, you have an agenda you just don't like the president and I just have to retort but of course captain obvious, he's a pathological liar abusing the office of the presidency in a way that directly and indirectly makes a difference in my life.... what's to like lol?
The fact that I have an agenda does not negate the fact that he lies which is the statement that triggers the charge of me having an agenda
That makes sense, I think I was trying to be too reductive and get it as close to one word as I could 😀
you're both making sense, in world where it's going out of style
That use however, in the context of argument, is far closer to one of my favorite Britishisms whataboutery
Quite popular on The Guardian website comments section.
‘Johnson and the Tories have totally mishandled the crisis, potentially leading to the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of people ‘
Reply: ‘Yeah but what about Corbyn? It’d be loads worse if he’d been elected. He makes jam!’
Everyone including the majority President Trumps supporters agree that he isn't everyone's president or represent the well being of all Americans , so voting for him is probably the most un-american thing a citizen can do.
That's such a central part of the American thing though; that which is un-american or otherwise. All countries tend to have individual patriotism (and all of the easy beware-the-foreigner-over-the-hill stuff that comes with it), but it's not so front and center as an accepted (and acceptable) measurement...not criticizing, just pondering....
absolutely and I can't think of anything more unpatriotic... basically if you live outside of scranton forget it, doesn't matter if you were born here or your family has been here for forever, as a matter of fact the longer your family has generationally been in america the less American you are perceived to be by trumpian standards lol
Someone said something about a peak..... Take a peak at the numbers. Peak? I don’t need no stinking peak.
Btw... 4,000,000 and counting. There has to be a peak in there somewhere.
Yeah Sweden is the example to follow...
So Boris has changed the slogan in the UK from ‘Stay Home’ to ‘Stay Alert’. So we can go out now but watch out in case any viruses are hiding round the corner??? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Are other country leaders being this patronising? He was personifying the virus as a mugger the other day. Gove said our ‘British spirit’ would get us through. This isn’t a war or a human assailant, it’s a microscopic virus that is killing people and we simply need to do whatever we can to stop passing it from one person to another. We don’t need fucking metaphors.
Didn't you know it's your patriotic duty to invite the virus in and do your best to kill it?