OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

Krupa

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

This too is true, we’re in proper coulda, woulda, shoulda territory now...

espiegel123

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

And had mandated mask-wearing with all government officials appearing with masks and public education and public service announcements encouraging people to do so. It seems that many western countries find it uncomfortable to follow the example of the Asian countries that were able to avoid general lockdowns by massive mobilization of their societies focused on shutting down the spread of the illness.

[Deleted User]

@Krupa said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Jomodu said:
Children pose little risk really.

That’s a joke? Right?

Children can pick up the virus just as easily as anyone else. And while they don’t have the same severity of symptoms (aside from the new nasty mutation that’s started killing kids), they can pass it on to others just the same.

So. Little Jimmy who’s picked it up from his delivery driver dad, coughs in the corridor, and the droplets picked up by little Johnny.

Little Johnny goes home, develops no symptoms but still carries the disease, passes it on to his dad, a bus driver with diabetes.

Dad passes it around for a week to his passengers before becoming critically ill.

Etc.

This is what I’ve been trying to say, it seems that the debate is being framed around just the kids, or the teachers, or the parents. But it’s the massive increase in cross infection that will be the trouble, even the Unions aren’t framing it properly, never mind the constant media chatter...

I’m constantly staggered by the number of otherwise intelligent people that can’t seem to grasp this. It’s a highly infectious virus transmitted from human to human, with infected people having no visible symptoms for a week (or at all in some cases).

Surely they can grasp the simple principle that the more we all mingle together, it’s simply going to infect more people?

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

Yep. The whole reason we’re in an extended lockdown, and with a high number of deaths, is solely down to the slow response of our government, and their experiment with ‘herd’ immunity.

Now they realise it’s costing them too much money, they’ve set their right-wing PR engine into full anti-lockdown gaslighting mode.

And I totally agree, instead of focusing on what’s best for the public, they’re using the situation as a means to further their own shifty plans.

mister_rz

@Krupa said:

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

This too is true, we’re in proper coulda, woulda, shoulda territory now...

Yeah, with a dash of now is not the time, me and munchie could do with a few days at least by the coast, or driving round snowdonia for a much needed refresh, but the fear of spreading this unawares means we have to settle for scenic routes to local supermarkets. One thing that pee’s me off about this government, is how long this is going to drag on now. Quite a few of my family and friends can’t work from home tho, like us, which just adds to the tension.

mister_rz

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

And had mandated mask-wearing with all government officials appearing with masks and public education and public service announcements encouraging people to do so. It seems that many western countries find it uncomfortable to follow the example of the Asian countries that were able to avoid general lockdowns by massive mobilization of their societies focused on shutting down the spread of the illness.

I noticed a few weeks back, after doing a food drop, driving back home, as there are a few uni’s and teaching hospitals on the way, nearly every asian student I passed, had a mask, very few among nearly every other group. When I went to my local wing yip supermarket, same thing, I felt safer there then my local tesco or morrisons. We’ve bought masks with filters now from groupon, was using scarfs and hair bands before, but lifting the lockdown early without a cohesive plan and being in the inner city, chances seems high now of it spreading again.

espiegel123

@mister_rz said:

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

And had mandated mask-wearing with all government officials appearing with masks and public education and public service announcements encouraging people to do so. It seems that many western countries find it uncomfortable to follow the example of the Asian countries that were able to avoid general lockdowns by massive mobilization of their societies focused on shutting down the spread of the illness.

I noticed a few weeks back, after doing a food drop, driving back home, as there are a few uni’s and teaching hospitals on the way, nearly every asian student I passed, had a mask, very few among nearly every other group. When I went to my local wing yip supermarket, same thing, I felt safer there then my local tesco or morrisons. We’ve bought masks with filters now from groupon, was using scarfs and hair bands before, but lifting the lockdown early without a cohesive plan and being in the inner city, chances seems high now of it spreading again.

It is really puzzling how mandated mask-wearing (even simple homemade masks) hasn’t become a thing in the U.S. since it is now quite clear that it has played a big role in limiting the spread...particularly indoors in countries that were able to avoid large scale lockdowns.

One of the things that makes the anti-lockdown movement in the U.S. so transparently not about reason is that a big chunk of the anti-lockdown folks here are also anti-mask.

mister_rz

@MonzoPro said:

@Krupa said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Jomodu said:
Children pose little risk really.

That’s a joke? Right?

Children can pick up the virus just as easily as anyone else. And while they don’t have the same severity of symptoms (aside from the new nasty mutation that’s started killing kids), they can pass it on to others just the same.

So. Little Jimmy who’s picked it up from his delivery driver dad, coughs in the corridor, and the droplets picked up by little Johnny.

Little Johnny goes home, develops no symptoms but still carries the disease, passes it on to his dad, a bus driver with diabetes.

Dad passes it around for a week to his passengers before becoming critically ill.

Etc.

This is what I’ve been trying to say, it seems that the debate is being framed around just the kids, or the teachers, or the parents. But it’s the massive increase in cross infection that will be the trouble, even the Unions aren’t framing it properly, never mind the constant media chatter...

I’m constantly staggered by the number of otherwise intelligent people that can’t seem to grasp this. It’s a highly infectious virus transmitted from human to human, with infected people having no visible symptoms for a week (or at all in some cases).

Surely they can grasp the simple principle that the more we all mingle together, it’s simply going to infect more people?

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

Yep. The whole reason we’re in an extended lockdown, and with a high number of deaths, is solely down to the slow response of our government, and their experiment with ‘herd’ immunity.

Now they realise it’s costing them too much money, they’ve set their right-wing PR engine into full anti-lockdown gaslighting mode.

And I totally agree, instead of focusing on what’s best for the public, they’re using the situation as a means to further their own shifty plans.

It’s like having a mate who’s an unstable blagger and never knowing what to expect from them, yet always bumping into them at delicate times. Herd immunity just seems like a chaos generating strategy, that depends on anxiety, fear and confusion, so people get distracted while massive structural changes are under way, changes most from the left to the right wouldn’t accept during normal times.

mister_rz

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

And had mandated mask-wearing with all government officials appearing with masks and public education and public service announcements encouraging people to do so. It seems that many western countries find it uncomfortable to follow the example of the Asian countries that were able to avoid general lockdowns by massive mobilization of their societies focused on shutting down the spread of the illness.

I noticed a few weeks back, after doing a food drop, driving back home, as there are a few uni’s and teaching hospitals on the way, nearly every asian student I passed, had a mask, very few among nearly every other group. When I went to my local wing yip supermarket, same thing, I felt safer there then my local tesco or morrisons. We’ve bought masks with filters now from groupon, was using scarfs and hair bands before, but lifting the lockdown early without a cohesive plan and being in the inner city, chances seems high now of it spreading again.

It is really puzzling how mandated mask-wearing (even simple homemade masks) hasn’t become a thing in the U.S. since it is now quite clear that it has played a big role in limiting the spread...particularly indoors in countries that were able to avoid large scale lockdowns.

One of the things that makes the anti-lockdown movement in the U.S. so transparently not about reason is that a big chunk of the anti-lockdown folks here are also anti-mask.

The culture war has gone to dumb ass extremes, I see a lot of vulnerable groups in the crowds at the protests, especially the elders, yet few realise that even if they get it, have few symptoms, nobody yet fully understands what the long term affects of covid-19 will be, won’t be clear for a few more years yet, at least.

It could end up being costly for quite a few of them, those that can afford good health care, what about the others that can’t and have had the fear of socialised medicine put into them by the unscrupulous. I can imagine health insurance companies having a field day with pre-existing covid related conditions going forward, unless of course you have a very very plump purse.

[Deleted User]

@mister_rz said:

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

And had mandated mask-wearing with all government officials appearing with masks and public education and public service announcements encouraging people to do so. It seems that many western countries find it uncomfortable to follow the example of the Asian countries that were able to avoid general lockdowns by massive mobilization of their societies focused on shutting down the spread of the illness.

I noticed a few weeks back, after doing a food drop, driving back home, as there are a few uni’s and teaching hospitals on the way, nearly every asian student I passed, had a mask, very few among nearly every other group. When I went to my local wing yip supermarket, same thing, I felt safer there then my local tesco or morrisons. We’ve bought masks with filters now from groupon, was using scarfs and hair bands before, but lifting the lockdown early without a cohesive plan and being in the inner city, chances seems high now of it spreading again.

It is really puzzling how mandated mask-wearing (even simple homemade masks) hasn’t become a thing in the U.S. since it is now quite clear that it has played a big role in limiting the spread...particularly indoors in countries that were able to avoid large scale lockdowns.

One of the things that makes the anti-lockdown movement in the U.S. so transparently not about reason is that a big chunk of the anti-lockdown folks here are also anti-mask.

The culture war has gone to dumb ass extremes, I see a lot of vulnerable groups in the crowds at the protests, especially the elders, yet few realise that even if they get it, have few symptoms, nobody yet fully understands what the long term affects of covid-19 will be, won’t be clear for a few more years yet, at least.

It could end up being costly for quite a few of them, those that can afford good health care, what about the others that can’t and have had the fear of socialised medicine put into them by the unscrupulous. I can imagine health insurance companies having a field day with pre-existing covid related conditions going forward, unless of course you have a very very plump purse.

It’ll work out nicely for Johnson’s mates, when they finish privatising the NHS.

All those new people with long term health conditions, needing dialysis, and other regular treatment. And the pensioners that don’t make it? Bonus, think of all the social care money that’s going to save.

mister_rz

@MonzoPro said:

@mister_rz said:

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:

@espiegel123 said:

@mister_rz said:
Worse thing about this is, if we would of gone into lockdown a week or two earlier, had the testing, contact tracing and cluster tracing, restricted air travel and properly sealed and protected care homes, provided adequate ppe, for all essential workers, we would of been out of quarantine by now. Quite a few people on this forum, were suggesting all of the above, for as long as these pandemic threads have been up.

The government we have now, isn’t interested in governing, mainly distracted by reshaping society for the benefit of their true constituents, many of whom don’t even live here. The response to this pandemic for me just exposes this, mixed messaging, massive porkies, not seeking help from specialists, wasting money on massive pr exercises, like the understaffed nightingale hospitals. While handing over responsibilities well suited to the nhs, to the private sector, many conflicts of interest, preventing an adequate response.

And had mandated mask-wearing with all government officials appearing with masks and public education and public service announcements encouraging people to do so. It seems that many western countries find it uncomfortable to follow the example of the Asian countries that were able to avoid general lockdowns by massive mobilization of their societies focused on shutting down the spread of the illness.

I noticed a few weeks back, after doing a food drop, driving back home, as there are a few uni’s and teaching hospitals on the way, nearly every asian student I passed, had a mask, very few among nearly every other group. When I went to my local wing yip supermarket, same thing, I felt safer there then my local tesco or morrisons. We’ve bought masks with filters now from groupon, was using scarfs and hair bands before, but lifting the lockdown early without a cohesive plan and being in the inner city, chances seems high now of it spreading again.

It is really puzzling how mandated mask-wearing (even simple homemade masks) hasn’t become a thing in the U.S. since it is now quite clear that it has played a big role in limiting the spread...particularly indoors in countries that were able to avoid large scale lockdowns.

One of the things that makes the anti-lockdown movement in the U.S. so transparently not about reason is that a big chunk of the anti-lockdown folks here are also anti-mask.

The culture war has gone to dumb ass extremes, I see a lot of vulnerable groups in the crowds at the protests, especially the elders, yet few realise that even if they get it, have few symptoms, nobody yet fully understands what the long term affects of covid-19 will be, won’t be clear for a few more years yet, at least.

It could end up being costly for quite a few of them, those that can afford good health care, what about the others that can’t and have had the fear of socialised medicine put into them by the unscrupulous. I can imagine health insurance companies having a field day with pre-existing covid related conditions going forward, unless of course you have a very very plump purse.

It’ll work out nicely for Johnson’s mates, when they finish privatising the NHS.

All those new people with long term health conditions, needing dialysis, and other regular treatment. And the pensioners that don’t make it? Bonus, think of all the social care money that’s going to save.

They’ll end up spending trillions to save billions, when I say they I mean us, as the mofo’s love offshoring and costly tax breaks for the well heeled.

kobamoto

look at how much energy goes into intellectual detracting, people will do almost anything to get out of doing the right thing, as a matter of fact doing the right thing isn't even on the table anymore now it's all about intellectual posturing and making excuses while attempting to maintain a semblance of civility. I guess people are not going to support doing the right thing until the virus comes to their house and knocks on their door and threatens to kill their family
The whole situation is starting to remind me of police brutality, much to do about nothing until that one cop pulls you over and manhandles the fck out of you for no reason, then all of a sudden kneeling at a football game doesn't seem so extreme

Ayn Rand would be so proud.

kobamoto

this is the current state of the union and the response to the covid-19 pandemic by this administration.

knewspeak

The coming autumn and winter will be the real testing time, as the virus is now seeded all across the planet it doesn’t need to spread from nation to nation, it already embedded.

espiegel123

@knewspeak said:
The coming autumn and winter will be the real testing time, as the virus is now seeded all across the planet it doesn’t need to spread from nation to nation, it already embedded.

Some countries seem to have nearly eliminated it and new infections are the result of travel abroad.

Neither the U.S. nor U.K. seem to be on track for anything close to that degree of mitigation. Neither country seems to have real targeted strategy. While politics plays a part , there seem also to be cultural issues...large enough cults of selfishness to give the virus travel.

JohnnyGoodyear

I see us perched before the puddle, believing all is well...

kobamoto

we need somebody with the devils trumps tenacity, warrens brains, bookers moral compass, sanders tempermant, and Cortez's clapback!!!

[Deleted User]

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:
The coming autumn and winter will be the real testing time, as the virus is now seeded all across the planet it doesn’t need to spread from nation to nation, it already embedded.

Some countries seem to have nearly eliminated it and new infections are the result of travel abroad.

Neither the U.S. nor U.K. seem to be on track for anything close to that degree of mitigation. Neither country seems to have real targeted strategy. While politics plays a part , there seem also to be cultural issues...large enough cults of selfishness to give the virus travel.

The public are being led by politicians - Johnson announcing lockdown easing last week without consulting other UK leaders, and by a compliant media. Top story headline on the BBC website right now:

“We owe it to children to open schools”.

The public are being played.

‘Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?’

u0421793

https://twitter.com/jamesenders/status/1261755804031619073

McD

Does anyone remember when there was a severe shortage of "masks"... it's been a couple months but in the early days the general advice was to insure "healthcare workers" had a good stable supply of masks.

Then we got the rule about optimal mask distributions: the person who is infected is the best one to wear the mask. You have a sick family member then they get the mask, for example.

Then mask production started to kick into 100x mode and started seeing public recommendations to
default to wearing masks around anyone else.

I think we're at the point where we need to address the small but painful detail that someone can be inflected and not have symptoms so anyone is a potential risk to you and you are a potential risk to everyone else. So, we should all be trying to use as much PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) we can
get our hands on to drive risks down while starting to be among other people as required to work, gather supplies, check on loved ones or the infirm.

But the essential laws of supply and demand are still hovering over these questions of:

Why don't we just test everyone, everyday and quarantine those who test positive? Easy right?

From the moment you swab for a test there's several hours where you need to be isolated to insure
you don't pick it up in the interim. In Asian cultures they created public quarantine areas to insure the tests were valid upon arriving at a result.

So, critical resources are:

• enforcement
• PPE for everyone
• testing capacity
• tracking details for anyone discovered to test positive and locate anyone they may have "tagged" too

It's a massive public effort and we're still playing denial, blaming, shaming and WTF personal Virus
plans.

We're bound to yo-yo between doing the right and wrong things for many months.

Good luck to you and yours. May God help us. We're not trained for this type of fire drill. The kind where there really is a fire.

I could really use a new Looper app... not a shortage but a good distraction.

kobamoto

@McD said:

It's a massive public effort and we're still playing denial, blaming, shaming and WTF personal Virus
plans.

We're bound to yo-yo between doing the right and wrong things for many months.

Good luck to you and yours. May God help us. We're not trained for this type of fire drill. The kind where there really is a fire.

this is the crux of the issue, the virus knows that we are predisposed to choosing self destruction the ijits that we are.
I live in Los Angeles and the restrictions were eased today and the first thing people did was flock to the beach FFS
as if they had never seen the beach before, as if the really new and exciting event that was in their lives was anything but a freaking pandemic were common respect for the lives of others was the best shot at fighting the virus right now.

u0421793

One thing seems for sure at this point, in this descent, the decay portion of the envelope, nothing that anyone says will be seen as ‘good’. Everything will be contested, disbelieved, no matter who said it, where it came from. This position on the timeline I feel is a good point from which to disengage – there’s no winning and nothing to be gained by thinking one has any leverage in this. I’m actively ignoring a lot of what is being said at the moment and I think that’s the best way for a few more months yet. Drop out, tune away, disengage.

vitocorleone123

This is frightening.
https://cnn.com/2020/05/16/politics/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-coronavirus/index.html

Clearly, since we have no idea what the virus actually does etc., let alone whether the % of people that get it that actually develop some immunity, clearly the best thing we can do is pretend everything is normal, go back to work and life, and die.

richardyot

@vitocorleone123 said:
This is frightening.
https://cnn.com/2020/05/16/politics/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-coronavirus/index.html

Clearly, since we have no idea what the virus actually does etc., let alone whether the % of people that get it that actually develop some immunity, clearly the best thing we can do is pretend everything is normal, go back to work and life, and die.

Yes this just goes to show we really need to find out more about the virus before making any assumptions.

[Deleted User]

@vitocorleone123 said:
This is frightening.
https://cnn.com/2020/05/16/politics/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-coronavirus/index.html

Clearly, since we have no idea what the virus actually does etc., let alone whether the % of people that get it that actually develop some immunity, clearly the best thing we can do is pretend everything is normal, go back to work and life, and die.

From what I've read the virus hangs around for a very long time in some folks, and symptoms can come back in waves. Maybe (hopefully) they haven't been reinfected, but the virus has remained dormant and not visible to current testing measures during a 'quiet' period.

ElectroHead

I somehow doubt BBC and CNN will be reporting this:

https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-offered-10-million-bribe-for-forced-vaccination-in-nigeria/

or this:

https://greatgameindia.com/italian-politician-demand-bill-gates-arrest-for-crimes-against-humanity/

Krupa

@ElectroHead said:
I somehow doubt BBC and CNN will be reporting this:

https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-offered-10-million-bribe-for-forced-vaccination-in-nigeria/

or this:

https://greatgameindia.com/italian-politician-demand-bill-gates-arrest-for-crimes-against-humanity/

Reading the first two of those articles was an object lesson in poor journalism. Everything was third hand hearsay with little or no analysis or judgement on whether to include information or not, no right to reply and looked like a copy paste job knocked up to excite imbeciles. Quick bit of due diligence and you get to a story about them being part of a wave of fake news riding on the tails of this crisis, nice people, thanks for sharing 🙄

https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-how-one-particular-coronavirus-myth-went-viral/

ElectroHead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=414&v=QnsYcsCjLWI&feature=emb_logo

kobamoto

Haters gonna hate
detractors gonna detract...

AudioGus

@vitocorleone123 said:
This is frightening.
https://cnn.com/2020/05/16/politics/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-coronavirus/index.html

Clearly, since we have no idea what the virus actually does etc., let alone whether the % of people that get it that actually develop some immunity, clearly the best thing we can do is pretend everything is normal, go back to work and life, and die.

Eh, always figured I was probably gonna die anyway. 🤷‍♂️

McD

@kobamoto said:
I live in Los Angeles and the restrictions were eased today and the first thing people did was flock to the beach

You might think but...

Outdoors with constant inflows of air from offshore is probably a good thing. Closed rooms where the air can't be exchanged for fresh is probably bad. Still you'd want to keep distant and going into the ocean might be good for that. I wonder if salt concentration helps kill a virus?

Now people grouping in bars, restaurants, clubs or movie theaters... not a great idea.