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Or as used to be, when people coughed or sneezed they covered their mouth with their hand. Social manners, or may have been a mind control trick played on humans by the evil aliens from the planet Venus.
Yepp, and that is why it's very important to stay calm and focused instead of creating mass paranoia which the media just loves, it sells copies and creates views...
There's a lot of sh*t going on around us while the media focus is mainly on the pandemic, hence the 'Wag The Dog' references.
There was a nice analysis here why everyone went out and bought shedloads of toilet paper when this 'thing' broke out just get get the 'feeling' that they were in control over the situation...
People want 'one stop solutions' but in this case there is none. Patience and keeping ones sanity is needed.
I've noticed (especially when doing groceries) that people wearing mask totally ignore social distancing mainly because they think and/or feel that the mask is enough to protect them...
From Wikipedia:
Initially, when the virus was starting to arrive in the UK, Hitchens supported a soft approach of keeping shops and public spaces open as the Swedish government was doing. It was, however, when the UK government decided to implement full Lockdown restrictions on 24 March 2020[68] that Hitchens began to voice his strongest criticism.[69]
He has referred to the UK government's Coronavirus lock down policy after 24 March 2020 as "the Great Panic" and was shocked by the enthusiastic embrace of it by the British public. He joined other high profile critics such as Lord Sumption and Toby Young in arguing that the full restrictive lock down after this date would have serious negative consequences as a result of restricting civil liberties, locking down a healthy population, and stalling a healthy economy.[70][71] He argues that the government should have carried on like Sweden because, “the evidence from Stockholm, which has so far pursued a rational, proportionate, limited policy, still suggests that Sweden will emerge from this less damaged by far than we will.”[72]
My view:
Without looking too deeply into it:
1. Again, he’s probably not an impartial commentator. He’s a rich dude with investments to protect.
2. He put himself on the line right at the start, as being against it. He’s a pretty egotistical guy, likely to keep finding evidence to back his initial opinion instead of admitting being wrong.
3. Frankly, we can put civil liberties on hold for a while, this is a crisis.
4. The main reason the uk economy is so fucked up is because they delayed lockdown too long.
5. Sweden? The jury is out: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251615-is-swedens-coronavirus-strategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/
There's a rather simple way to look at this:
Forrest fires where we all live in the forrest and people are wandering about dropping cigarettes in the dry underbrush.
As a home own what can you do to protect your home and life:
when you see some stranger near your property insure they stay a safe distance from your home (social distancing) and if they are close or on your property try and insert a flame retardant material between your underbrush (your breath) and their cigarettes (their breath)
If you want to just roll the dice... have a big party and hire a band and give out free cigarettes. Maybe you're heirs will get an insurance windfall and you can leave a monetary legacy. All your party guests will leave with boxes of free cigarettes. Smoke 'em if got 'em.
The best strategy for rapidly spreading forrest fires is containment. Containment requires stopping people and frisking them for cigarettes. It's intrusive and might be considered an invasion of privacy but it's the best management strategy. Close some areas to the public... bulldoze heathy areas to create fire blocks (travel bans).
We should all try and stop the spread of a fire that will not be defeated without sacrifice. If you just give up you're an ally of the fire. Try and be on the right side of history here. Contain and stop the spread of the fire. Your house could be in the loss column but that's NOT what you should use to consider your role in the overall picture.
My house can survive the fire. OK. But maybe your neighbor's can't and you should give a shit, fool. Do unto others but do the right thing. Don't do them wrong.
That person was incorrect, and he was also incorrect to say such a thing. Any sort of influential person saying such a highly damaging thing is behaving irresponsibly toward their current and also future generations to promote such a mentality.
Hehe, I'm not too far from doing that but if I would make coughing sounds like 'Khouviid' I'll likely get arrested or something
(It's almost as bad as yelling 'There's a bomb in here' at an airport...).
But yeah I do remind people when they get a bit 'too close', some get annoyed when I point it out to them...
Just a few days ago there was this dude who was too close almost drooling at the lady in front of him and he pointed out to me to keep distance to him (I was ~2m behind him). I raised my voice and said "look who's talking" the lady in front reacted and pushed the dude away, it was quite hilarious.
We'll have to wait and see where things go...
From what I have read, and it seems pretty obvious, the biggest threat is in bars and clubs etc where you are shouting to be heard. In these cases you project your virus particles pretty hardcore.
Introverts, soft spoken gents and lasses, and iPad music nerds rejoice. You’re finally contributing to society...by staying in your room doing jack shit. The slacker is king, hallelujah.
LOL, also the lines at most supermarket are quite narrow so one can easily keep the 2 meters front & back but when it comes to left & right its barely 0.5 meters. That makes keeping distance pretty hard but no one cares as long as the distance front & back is enough...
There's too many 'logic malfunctions' in the distance implementations in many places...
(How is one supposed to eat at a restaurant if it's mandatory to wear a mask? Lift the mask with every bite?).
Oh well, It sure is fun and interesting to inspect the human behavior in various situations
This was definitely said in a geopolitical context, not in the context of a health pandemic
Yepp, and add a bit of alcohol and it gets even worse...
Peoples judgment goes down the drain and keeping the distance, what distance...
(I've even heard some whackjobs say alcohol kills germs even covid)
Please move out of north Idaho and if you afraid of getting sick stay home !
Well, the alcohol bit maybe even has some truth. And I remember reading something about how smoking could decrease the chances of catching COVID. It’s a complex one! In the case of booze, and smokes, probably hard liquor does kill it a bit, and maybe tobacco helps IF it hasn’t already whacked your immune system. Ultimately, the main factor will be your overall state of health, I guess. That’s the problem with any kind of epidemiology. It’s a really unscientific area of science.
I have, but please tell us your stories anyway. I’m sure we could all use some titillation as a distraction from all the crap that’s going on Max 😁✌️
DUDE!! At this point it's not a discussion with you. Never have I seen someone so stubborn outside of twitter and youtube comments.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/
One of my absolute faves, the old sea lion. I have had cause to throw him out into the Forum a few times down the years
So true....
You realise I'm the one that has been giving evidence right?
Justification for a policy they have bought in? It even says it is an unproven theory. How well did that work out in Peru which had one of the earliest and hardest lockdowns with enforced face mask wearing but has the highest death rate in the world.
Ok brainiac.
So what you're really trying to push on unsuspecting morons is that not wearing a mask at all will do a better job of protecting people from COVID than wearing any type of mask — even an N-95.
Is this really your honest opinion?
Sweden has no mandatory mask law and very little mask wearing. Their outcome is no worse than other country's with strict masks laws. People are not in general wearing N-95 masks. In fact the British Government have told people not the purchase medical grade masks, but to wear cloth masks and make their own from old t-shirts.
Professor Carl Heneghan, director of The Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, Oxford University - "the policy is not evidence based" - "cloth masks are worse and may increase your risk of infection" - "mandatory masks came in the UK on 24th July. They were supposed to reduce the risk of infection by 40% within 2 weeks. In fact infections detected have gone up"
Odd that the highest death counts come from countries that downplay the disease and/or downplay the usefulness of masks....
Meanwhile in Asia...where masks are used year-round...
This is of course bollocks. Sweden’s outcome has been far worse than countries EVEN NEIGHBORING countries that used stricter measures. You have repeatedly posted made up information as “fact” and ignored the refuting evidence.
Sweden has had 580 covid deaths per million. Almost 6 times as many as neighboring Denmark. Countries with early universal mask wearing and strict quarantine and contact tracing have fared far better than even that. I.e. South Korea has had fewer than 10 deaths per million.