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Nice and dandy so what’s the rethink? Stick all those vulnerable groups on an deserted island?
Very thin on actual ideas of what to do here. But yeah, I don't think this govt is going to get much compliance at this stage with anything very restrictive. And also, no matter what he does now, I'm pretty sure that BJ will be going down in history as one of the most incompetent PMs ever.
This guy has been continuously and consistently wrong about pretty much everything since the start of the pandemic. For instance he erroneously stated that the virus had peaked before lockdown in the UK and was therefore fading away of its own accord. The peak actually DID occur before the official lockdown on March 23rd but only because people had seen what had happened in Italy and were already radically changing their behaviour. Data shows that things really changed from March 6th (measured by business footfall/commuting/people starting to work from home etc).
Then if you look at his Tweets in May he pretty much ruled out a second wave and look what's happening right now!
Nevertheles he's attracted quite a following because he's telling a subset of people what they want to hear.
https://genius.com/Simon-and-garfunkel-the-boxer-lyrics
"All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest, hmmmm"
summary of the argument here
“i don’t what’s right, but i’m pretty sure what everyone else is saying is wrong”
It's survival of the fittest and those who are able to avoid going insane...
...self isolation and extreme lockdowns have driven many people to well, that's another topic but they are no longer among us.
Technically speaking, if the world as a whole, and simultaneously, engaged in a true 100% “lockdown” – that is, nobody outside, every single human in the entire world stays indoors and doesn’t go out and remains isolated for the same 14 days starting on the same day, including police – each and every one of the personnel, similarly – fire, hospitals, power generation, shops, deliveries, logistics, transport, sewage, etc, — then yes you could guarantee that within the space of a calendar month the presence anywhere in the world of the SARS-CoV-2 organism will have been eliminated.
But, of course, you can’t have no police, no power generation, no hospitals, etc. That’s why despite the quarantine we still have the virus. But, a true 100% lockdown as I describe would definitely wipe it out in a few weeks. (Of course, it’d also open all countries of the world open to opportunistic military invasion while we’re all in our beds and living rooms).
They’re not being suppressed, they just don’t stand up to scrutiny.
You’d also have to make sure no trace of virus remained in stasis anywhere.
This
German children's charity test child's mask after being worn in school for 8 hours. 82 bacterial colonies and 4 mould (fungal) colonies.
Keep your masks clean everyone
No doubt comparable to their phones.
I wonder what the difference is between a bit of cloth in front of your mouth that you are breathing through deep into your lungs and a mobile phone.
We can make our own statistical analysis by this thread. One voice contrary to everyone else. While this might work well for Henry Fonda in Twelve Angry Men, it is not very successful in motivating large populations of trained scientists and fearful citizens.
Here’s an analogy.... Obamacare doesn’t work. Scrap it and replace it. Well, replace it with what? There is no opposing plan except... let’s take away the healthcare for millions and see what happens.
Similarly, let’s denigrate common experience and scientific evolution and let nature take its course.
At least these denigrators are washing their hands. Even if it’s only washing their hands of common sense and empathy.
It’s one thing to claim the moon landing was fake and another thing to put a decade of work into getting there.
Kids will be kids, unless they’re grownups with iToys.
The biggest difference is likely that the phone is exposed to a much wider array of bacteria/viruses/molds as it is placed in many more places other than next to the mouth.
This^^
FACTS: the virus is real. It spreads exponentially. It kills. It debilitates. It puts our healthcare workers and the entirety of the healthcare system at risk.
FACTS: Public health officials and experts in virology and epidemiology agree that letting the virus go unchecked would be a catastrophic failure. There is discussion on how much of what measures should be implemented. There is NO DISCUSSION about herd immunity as a solution or mitigation because the numbers of dead would be too staggering. We have the resources to deal with COVID with minimal impact to the economy and to “regular” socialization. South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Vietnam are proof.
What we have is a bleach injecting butt light shoving sadistic asshole who has DELIBERATELY killed thousands and thousands of people.
Dictatorial, derelict, and murderous is no way to run a pandemic.
Trump has no policy, no plan, just continued deaths. If you believe in him or his let-people-die plan, no one on this earth will be able to reach you.
Congratulations you’re either in a cult or conspiracy adjacent.
It’s not a very good idea to do some amateur analysis of data either. I work with statistical analysis from time to time at work, and it’s a very specialized skill set because it’s way too easy to draw non-objective or skewed results from data.
There’s a maxim widely known to statisticians: You can draw any conclusion you want from data if you analyze for long enough.
There are way too many people who draw ‘proof’ for their theories from data because they do it without a proper methodology or controls.
So one person here who has clearly thrived in life as a skeptic has come to a common-sense conclusion: A cloth mask will not prevent transmission of the virus.
Therefore, he has decided, wearing masks is useless.
And from there, the extrapolations come fast: Wearing masks is not only useless, it is empty virtue signaling. Wearing masks is a sign of conformity. Wearing masks is a sign of weakness. And then its contrarian apotheosis: It is in fact dangerous to wear masks.
In service of this thought, he has sought out any and all data that might help prove his thesis. And a lot of it is comical: Against the overwhelming opinion of international scientists, he offers a group of dozens (!) of Belgian experts who say the opposite is true. There's a Florida doctor's self-published analysis. I could go on, but I won't.
However, he's not wrong about this: A cloth mask will not prevent transmission of the coronavirus.
AND YET places with mask mandates have lower rates of infection. I don't know why they're working, but they do seem to be working.
Is it because when two masked people are in an interaction, it's as effective as one person wearing two masks? Or is it that the sight of everyone wearing a mask reminds us to keep our interactions to a minimum, and to carefully wash our hands when we get home? Has it kept us out of bars? Has it kept us out of office buildings and movie theaters and sporting events?
I don't know if masks work, but the absence seems to be a bad idea. (Cf. the motorcycle rally this summer in Sturgis, North Dakota.)
We will get a glance at masks' effectiveness in enclosed spaces as New York City canaries schoolchildren return to the coal mines classroom in the next few weeks.
I, for the record, HATE wearing a mask. I have a small nose, and it's always stuffed up. But I always wear a mask, because I'm doing it not for me but for my neighbors. It says I'm serious about their health. It's a constant reminder that we are in a pandemic and dealing with a disease that has killed close to 25,000 of my neighbors in New York City. (And before anybody says "that's not many compared total population" — it's the death toll of September 11 EIGHT TIMES OVER.)
People who refuse to wear a mask are the same people who refuse to put out a cigar on a beach. Yeah, I guess you could do that, but everybody knows you're just being an asshole.
Finally, what's wrong with signaling virtue, anyway?
Thx
(Or was it Dolby)
Bonus!
@ExAsperis99 ... a small nose.... fascinating!
(It's a narrow, waspish nose that was broken playing hockey growing up in Pittsburgh. To my great shame, I am a mouth-breather.)