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OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

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  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    have never risen above middle management

    ewww...

  • @Mark B I'm curious whether you might be a Brexit supporter by the way?

  • @Max23 said:
    I can’t read what u say, I Ve put you on my ignore blacklist, congrats.
    Have a nice day.

    I bet you really want to know what i've just written. :D

  • @Gavinski said:
    @Mark B I'm curious whether you might be a Brexit supporter by the way?

    No, but does that matter?

  • OK, well, just curious what your overall political views are to try to understand where you're coming from

  • @Gavinski said:
    @Mark B I was very interested to see this tweet. It's very long and interesting and is proof of something I suspected and mentioned to you here previously - not all doctors are neutral voices with our best interests at heart. Including Karol Sikora!

    Yes, did have a few suspicions about him myself but he is doing a good job highlighting the issue that is happening with cancer treatment and diagnostics due to the shutdown of the NHS. The others on the list I have respect for, especially Sunetra Gupta who is not particularly outspoken but has some sensible views (in my opinion).

  • @AudioGus said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    have never risen above middle management

    ewww...

    Heaven forfend.

  • @Gavinski said:
    @Mark B I was very interested to see this tweet. It's very long and interesting and is proof of something I suspected and mentioned to you here previously - not all doctors are neutral voices with our best interests at heart. Including Karol Sikora!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Niall001/status/1263883499318185986

    I'm putting just one screenshot but the full series of tweets goes into lot more detail

    Very revealing - thanks for posting. "From the people who brought you Brexit..."

  • @charalew said:

    Very revealing - thanks for posting. "From the people who brought you Brexit..."

    What is that? Some sort of breakfast spread? Like Marmite?

  • @AudioGus said:

    @charalew said:

    Very revealing - thanks for posting. "From the people who brought you Brexit..."

    What is that? Some sort of breakfast spread? Like Marmite?

    Definitely the same deal in terms of ‘some love it, the rest hate it’ 🤣

  • The earth is flat

    The moon landing was faked

    Pedophiles run pizza parlors

    — Humanity, number one in stupid gullibility

  • edited September 2020

    Taiwan: no unemployment, education system is as normal, of 23Mil 7 died. Zero community infection for months
    Sweden: unemployment, limited education, of 10Mil 5,870 died, huge numbers of infected and long COVID
    Lazy fools look at Sweden, industrious sages at Taiwan

    Taiwan NEVER had a lockdown because they were ready (prepared), and ACTED swiftly.

    Whatever happens now to re-mitigate (or not, as Trumps plan is top pray it away) it is clear Trumps inefficacious response to this pandemic resulted in mass death and suffering

    He is responsible for 200,000 deaths.

    Remember when 200,000 dead when we were at 60,000 seemed reprehensible.
    Well, 2 million dead is the NEW, new, new goal.

    BTW HERD MENTALITY is Trumps “plan”

  • @audiblevideo said:
    Taiwan: no unemployment, education system is as normal, of 23Mil 7 died. Zero community infection for months

    Sweden: unemployment, limited education, of 10Mil 5,870 died, huge numbers of infected and long COVID

    Lazy fools look at Sweden, industrious sages at Taiwan

    Taiwan NEVER had a lockdown because they were ready (prepared), and ACTED swiftly.

    The reason is because it’s behaving differently in SE Asia. For example Thailand had millions of tourists from China at the height of the outbreak. They were the first country in the world to get a case outside of China. Almost no one was wearing masks at that time. Thailand were reluctant to stop travel due to the impact on the tourist industry and didn’t close airports until the beginning of April. But only 59 people have died. About the same as one day of road deaths. Japan also, the number one destination for Chinese tourists. You can argue masks magically stop the virus if you want but they have hardly been impacted even though they have the most elderly population in the world, and this virus mostly targets the elderly.
    So something different. The theory is there was a high level of immunity aldready in that region. Especially with country’s that has lots of Chinese tourism.

  • edited September 2020

    @Mark B said:
    The reason is because it’s behaving differently in SE Asia.

    It's not the virus that's "behaving differently" in SE Asia, it's the people 🙄

    @Mark B said:
    The theory is there was a high level of immunity aldready in that region. Especially with country’s that has lots of Chinese tourism.

    Immunity to a novel virus, hmmm... 🤔

    https://media0.giphy.com/media/XZVD6PnLDOKbmgaIur/giphy.gif

  • @audiblevideo said:
    Taiwan: no unemployment, education system is as normal, of 23Mil 7 died. Zero community infection for months

    When I saw the measures that most asian countries took to contain and eliminated the virus I knew that your typical 'murican would consider such measures to violate the" Freedom to
    Kill People You Hate" that is the hallmark of American Exceptionalism. We take Exception to
    most logical ideas in the interest of serving the needs of the individual to dominate the underdog. It's a leftover from the 'ol south' economy that still guides our politics.

    Racism... if you don't fight to preserve it. It will just go away. And then it won't be America.
    I'd accept South Canada and be proud. But I've always thought something was deeply wrong
    with these people and the fix was in to insure the racists get their way. The next 60 days will
    be amazing to watch to see how far they will go to protect the country from changing it's stripes.

  • TRUMP NEVER HAD A PLAN
    DIDNT WANT ONE
    WHEN HE GOT ONE CONTRADICTED IT THEN HE ABANDONED IT

    He will kill us all

  • @Mark B it seems a little lost in all the posts but let me ask,

    Do you think Trump did a good job with the virus?

    Or are you arguing that 200,000 dead and thousands debilitated isn’t so bad, and ‘we got nuthin ta worry about’, and should quit belly aching?

    Or both?

  • In case some people are bad with how big a number 200,000 is

    200,000

    The number of dead in the U.S. from COVID-19 is equivalent to a 9/11 attack every day for 67 days.
    It is roughly equal to the population of Salt Lake City or Huntsville, Alabama.

  • Last thought of the day about this:

    COVID now 4th largest mass casualty event in US history.
    Topped only by the Civil War, WWII, 1918 flu pandemic.

  • I wasn't going to say anything more but this sadistic, pathetic excuse for a human just said this:

  • @richardyot said:

    @Mark B said:
    The reason is because it’s behaving differently in SE Asia.

    It's not the virus that's "behaving differently" in SE Asia, it's the people 🙄

    @Mark B said:
    The theory is there was a high level of immunity aldready in that region. Especially with country’s that has lots of Chinese tourism.

    Immunity to a novel virus, hmmm... 🤔

    https://media0.giphy.com/media/XZVD6PnLDOKbmgaIur/giphy.gif

    It’s not just the people. As I gave the example, Thailand should of been badly hit in theory but they weren’t.
    The virus might be called novel but it is not unique. It’s about 80% the same as SARS-CoV-1. There’s at least one of the other known human coronavirus in circulation that causes a cold that is thought will provide the body with cross immunity via your t-cells if you catch it.

  • This is how heartless dictator Donnie celebrates 200,000 U. S. COVID deaths:

    There is at least one enderly person I would love to die of CORONA, and it isn't my 92 year-old father or his 95 year-old sister...

  • @audiblevideo said:
    @Mark B it seems a little lost in all the posts but let me ask,

    Do you think Trump did a good job with the virus?

    Or are you arguing that 200,000 dead and thousands debilitated isn’t so bad, and ‘we got nuthin ta worry about’, and should quit belly aching?

    Or both?

    I don’t know. What has he done. I thought a lot of the measures were down to the state governors. The problem with so many countries is they have failed the protect the elderly and vulnerable (including Sweden). It’s absolutely tragic bordering on criminal what has happened where care homes have been seeded with infectious people cleared from hospitals. They new from the beginning who was most at risk but failed to protect them.

  • Yup, they "new."

    "Knew," perhaps?!?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @SNystrom said:
    Yup, they "new."

    "Knew," perhaps?!?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Yep typo :)

  • So what has Trump done today to help handle the pandemic? He publicly blames China for the spread of the virus at the UN...

    This man has no shame.

  • McDMcD
    edited September 2020

    Trump is now declaring his fans that the Virus affects "virtually nobody".

    I'm betting on irony since Trumps likes to hang out in large rooms with thousands of maskless fans yelling. Go droplets. May reality be the best teacher. "Boo!" just sprays out viral droplets. So, these events are super-spreaders that will have an effect on the vote. Science matters.

    They "Boo" even the mention of a mask.

    Who thinks they are "nobody"? And if you do do you think you are a "virtual" nobody?

    All of this is just going to go away. Magically, after Nov. 3rd. Magic may include military forces but magic non the less. We may have to take over public waves and control some forms of speech as sedition. But any magical means should be considered. "Repelliomus". What was the benefit of all those Harry Potter books if we didn't learn the value of Magic for Good to conquer Dark Magic.

  • This is a letter to Matt Hancock, UK Secretary of State for Health from Dr Michael Yeadon who was a VP at Pfizer.

    “Dear Mr Hancock,
    I have a degree in Biochemistry & Toxicology & a research based PhD in pharmacology. I have spent 32 years working in pharmaceutical R&D, mostly in new medicines for disorders of lung & skin. I was a VP at Pfizer & CEO of a biotech I founded (Ziarco – acquired by Novartis). I’m knowledgeable about new medicine R&D.
    I have read the consultation document. I’ve rarely been as shocked & upset.
    All vaccines against the SARS-COV-2 virus are by definition novel. No candidate vaccine has been in development for more than a few months.
    If any such vaccine is approved for use under any circumstances that are not EXPLICITLY experimental, I believe that recipients are being misled to a criminal extent.
    This is because there are precisely zero human volunteers for whom there could possibly be more than a few months past-dose safety information.
    My concern does not arise because I have negative views about vaccines (I don’t), Instead, it’s the very principle that politicians seem ready to waive that new medical interventions at this, incomplete state of development- should not be made available to subjects on anything other than an explicitly experimental basis. That’s my concern.
    And the reason for that concern is that it is not known what the safety profile will be, six months or a year or longer after dosing.
    You have literally no data on this & neither does anyone else.
    It isn’t that I’m saying that unacceptable adverse effects will emerge after longer intervals after dosing. No: it is that you have no idea what will happen yet, despite this, you’ll be creating the impression that you do.
    Several of the vaccine candidates utilise novel technology which have not previously been used to create vaccines. There is therefore no long term safety data which can be pointed to in support of the notion that it’s reasonable to expedite development & to waive absent safety information on this occasion.
    I am suspicious of the motives of those proposing expedited use in the wider human population. We now understand who is at particularly elevated risk of morbidity & mortality from acquiring this virus.
    Volunteers from these groups only should be provided detailed information about risk / benefit, including the sole point I make here. Only if informed consent is given should any EXPERIMENTAL vaccine be used.
    I don’t trust you. You’ve not been straightforward & have behaved appallingly throughout this crisis. You’re still doing it now, misleading about infection risk from young children. Why should I believe you in relation to experimental vaccines?”
    Dr Michael Yeadon

  • And just who is this "so-called doctor?"

    A member of the Conservative Party, he previously served as Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in 2018 for six months

    Political much???

  • Seems his opinions have changed of late — like yesterday:

    " Britain’s health minister went before parliament Monday to discuss the government’s response to a surge in positive COVID-19 cases in the nation.

    Matt Hancock acknowledged what the government’s top medical and science advisers had said earlier in the day - that COVID-19 has been surging across age groups throughout much of Britain.

    Among the steps the government plans to take, Hancock said, is encouraging self-isolation by those who have been infected or exposed to the virus. The government will also offer a single support payment of about $640 for low-income people for whom self-isolation would be an economic hardship.

    A woman wears a face mask as she stands in front of a statue of The Beatles following the outbreak of the coronavirus disease …
    A woman wears a face mask as she stands in front of a statue of The Beatles following the outbreak of the coronavirus disease in Liverpool, Britain, Sept. 21, 2020.
    Hancock said those asked to self-isolate who refuse to do so could face fines of nearly $13,000 for serious breaches or repeat offenders.

    The health minister told British lawmakers that demand for testing has dropped slightly since last week, taking a little pressure off the system. Nonetheless, the demand for tests remains high enough that the government must prioritize who receives them.

    Hancock said acute care cases are the top priority for testing, followed by people in care homes, National Health Service targeted testing for outbreak management and surveillance studies, teaching staff with symptoms, and the general public.

    He said the government continues working on further measures to address the COVID-19 surge, and the prime minister will update parliament Tuesday on further measures.

    Earlier Monday, the government’s chief medical adviser reported the latest figures show new cases in Britain totaled more than 6,000 per day. Chris Witty said if nothing changes, at the current rate of infection, new cases could reach 50,000 a day by this time next month."

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