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From a governance point of view this paper seems to at least describe the complexity of the problem in this situation for the next few years. The author is Curtis Yarvin a philosophical bomb thrower that has lost faith in democracies all together:
https://medium.com/@curtis.yarvin/plan-a-for-the-coronavirus-7db3997490c1
I hear all of you. Need to focus on music directly to get my mind off this stuff. Thanks for the replies, stay safe mofos
This is an eye opening perspective. Worth reading. Most important part for me was his condemning of the rules that a vaccine takes around eighteen months to get thru to the point of being approved. Then it has to be produced which takes more time. I think there are four viable vaccine candidates already. Read the essay if you want the details, but it seems that some new protocols for this situation are in order and could be implemented in months rather than years.
@robertreynolds , I wish the same for you and your family. Be well.
Needs must when the devil drives....
@JohnnyGoodyear, I nominate you for the pithiest remarks on the forum. Maybe a compilation thread? More’s the pithy! (Sorry, couldn’t resist)
Whey do you say there are four viable vaccine candidates already? The epidemiologists and virologists I've seen are still cautioning that we are at least a year away from having a vaccine available for use. Even 18 months from the beginning of development to deployment would be exceedingly fast.
So, even if there are four research teams working at lightning speed, it seems unlikely that there will be a vaccine available for use in a year. If you have seen something different, I'd be very interested in reading about it.
Yesterday, Bill Gates was talking about how we should be building 5 factories (one for each of the best five candidates) right now to manufacture the vaccine when it is ready so that no time is lost once the safe and effective candidate is found so that time isn't wasted. He points out that this means billions of dollars will be spent on 4 factories that won't be used but it also means billions saved since economies can get back on their feet sooner. But even doing this, he points out that if we have a vaccine being deployed 18 months from now that would be faster than it has been done before.
This is the kind of pro-active/aggressive investment that we have yet to see any evidence of from (the vast majority of) our governments.
Yeah. And the U.S. government is still not understanding that it needs to get a team together of the best, most able people and put this in their hands. The free market approach that Trump and his team are taking is NOT efficient at combatting something like this. We have states competing with each other and driving up prices for limited resources. Super inefficient deployment of resources (the most important of which is qualified people). Testing is still not up to speed -- and again states are having to compete with each other. As far as I know, no state has adequate testing capability. So, we have no idea how widespread the epidemic truly is.
I found this article thought provoking. Or the focus anyway, which posits that Germany has benefited precisely because it is a 'State' rather than wholly Federal approach....I suspect there may be a few other factors...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/germanys-devolved-logic-is-helping-it-win-the-coronavirus-race
I suspect that there is also an aspect of notion of community/shared responsibility that is different in Germany (where I lived for a few years decades ago -- back when there was still a wall) from in the U.S. The U.S. has an almost cult-like devotion to the notion of the strong individualist that goes against the crowd and prevails -- that gets in the way (in my opinion) in situations where the right solution is making a choice based on what serves the greater community. This is particularly problematic in a situation like an epidemic where a minority of people acting against the public interest can act in such a way that prevents stopping epidemic spread.
@espiegel123, I meant candidates for a vaccine that need to go thru lengthy testing. The 1000 human guinea pigs which take months to gather and do not begin at the same time. Then months of analysis of the data. The essayist proposes immediate testing, perhaps offering the subjects a large sum of money to participate or altruistic volunteers.
The multiple rungs of perfectionism up the ladder to approval now in place need to be circumvented in his opinion... much like the production of penicillin during wwii. I believe there was production then while clinical testing continued.
There wasn’t much testing on human life before the US bombed Hiroshima. Why can’t the virus be bombed, too? It requires breaking the ideological constraints. I think lots of conceptions will be broken from this.... like if we really have governments at all, or have they morphed into some kind of trade organization with the illusion of social welfare. The essayist puts it very well but it is very contrarian... it’s sort of like the wwi strategy of the slow march into enemy fire. A century earlier they did it with bright colored uniforms! Being mind stuck with strategies of the past may be the greatest enemy we face.
This could also lead to an ICE-9 moment of unintended consequences with approvals for
an early candidate that shows some promise. The politicians in the US support patented DNA/RNA sequences which is the key to programming a solution here. So, Trump will
pick a winner and make sure his family gets their cut. NOTE: He tried to do a deal with the German Company to purchase exclusive rights. Everything is transactional in his view of the world.
ICE-9 is a fictional solid polymorph of water from Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle that ends all life on earth carried in a virus. It's effectively a "Oops" that gets out of the Lab like Acid did.
All these politicians are terrible... all of them
We deserve better as people
Just about every world leader has failed us during this pandemic
Asia, America, Canada, Europe ...the fucking WHO and CDC... everybody
Listen to these doctors and scientists not the goofy doublespeak politicians (some of these docs and scientists are corrupted too tho)
Can’t stand the right AND the left these days
I doubt the USA would of been any much better off if the opposition was in power. Seems like shit just has to get worse before it will get better regardless
Stay safe and SANE folks
Boris Johnson in hospital. The Age of Comeuppance.
OK. You have this bus coming own the mountain road without brakes and you think you should just throw out the driver as a plan. Would you like to take the wheel?
This bus is of course a lost cause but you're ready to send every bus out with no drivers?
We're NOT safe and you're talking insanity. Everyone else is the problem? I had a paranoid delusion once and the "dots" indicated I was on my own. It felt logical and plausible. Thankfully I didn't hurt anybody and got a nice break from work.
I imagine the triage will go in his favor...
Ill timing, 9pm for mere tests?
Quite a few countries acted quickly and avoided situations like the U.S.
I believe things in the U.S. would be dramatically different if the people in charge weren’t hell-bent on firing scientists and dismantling government. There was ample warning. If just about anyone else had been in power, we would have had experts in January focusing on getting adequate tests and preparing contingency plans.
Sure, lots of other politicians have failed to. But not all.
Remember, Trump became famous telling people “YOU’RE FIRED!”. He still thinks it works for him. Latest victims Michael Atkinson and Commander Crozier.
IG Atkinson did his job in spite of a cowered DOJ. Crozier cared about the safety of his men. Crozier probably did alert the next in command and was probably brushed off. So he went higher. As he said, we are not at war. The most important asset are the sailors. Why was he fired? Cause Trump said “YOU’RE FIRED!” He told Modley and Modley obeyed. Trump saw Crozier’s concern as weakness. Trump sees the military as a projection of himself. “HIS Generals” HIS Navy. He can only tolerate square jawed power.
“I would have made a great general” says El Bonespurs. He wants no bad news. Crozier made Trump look weak, cause, after all, Trump (in his febrile brain) sees Crozier and all accomplished welders of power as simulacra of himself. Trump interfered with that war criminal SEAL and he interfered again with Crozier. There was an investigation in progress... just as the military does these things. Commendatore T... acknowledging “I don’t know much about it” had him dispatched.
One of only eleven men in the world, just yesterday, who had enough skill, experience and judgement to manage a 5,000 man floating city capable of destroying a small country. Do we really think he “panicked “ as he is being portrayed? Certainly the 5000 sailors didn’t think so as they gave him a hero’s send off. We may never know the whole story, but, for sure, more and more in the military are angry with the Prez for his incompetence. And, they see it could just as easily happen to them. OFF WITH HIS HEAD! YOU’RE FIRED!
@LinearLineman
My instinct is that Crozier, over time, will come to be a variant of the pilot Sully who landed on the Hudson etc. He's 50 year old Californian and I would suggest he has a career yet.
In the Trump era we aren't going to get heroes that do not bow to the supreme leader...
he'll get the PR treatment afforded to Comey, the whistleblower, the IC for the Ukraine con game and cover-up and anyone that worked for Trump and quit. The ambassador in Ukraine was a career civil servant that worked in Somalia... but what happened from her own government was worse than those complex postings.
I wish Crozier and his family the best possible outcome but I fear it will come with a price
if he takes his story public and the Trump cult turns on him.
Perhaps. Let us reconvene on Wednesday, November 4th and assess the matter again.
They will probably postpone elections... if the polling shows an unfavorable situation.
Maybe they will institute an online voting system that Jared's team puts together using the Mercer folks that help with them political data collection and "influence". Trump has mentioned we could partner with Putin to shared best practices. Russian elections are
always efficient. You can pick the winner a year in advance with 100% accuracy.
Would you like a little stability... Makes America Great... Better Than Ever.
Be Best... after all.
Every year or two I watch The Parallax View, The Conversation and Three Days of the Condor, all across the same weekend, because I really like all three of them and to remind myself that paranoia has walked the halls previously.
Seven months out I am still optimistic there will be an election, however (and for the record
) I do expect something else sizeable to happen between now and then (and not just Boris Johnson dying, something more substantive....).
Again, if we're allowed to, dangerous men like you and I, let us meet and compare mythologies come Guy Fawkes night.
Guy Fawkes - reputedly the only person ever to enter parliament with honourable intentions.
(I don’t actually agree with that but it’s cutely phrased)
Love The Conversation but I’ve not seen the other two (adds them to his list).
And you Brutus....