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OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

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  • I plan to vote for whomever Jerry Falwell Jr tells me to vote for. Covid-19 Trump-20

  • @Max23 said:

    @robertreynolds said:

    @Max23 said:

    What shows the incompetence of the orange man very well is
    He didn’t snap his fingers to close the US.
    The Gouverneurs had to do that,
    And now he says he is the one who decides when to open up again.
    Huh what? This must be the muppets late night show.
    It’s so tragic, I can’t stop watching.
    It’s beyond absurd.

    State governors don’t have any control over travel to the U.S. That’s the responsibility of the Dept. of Homeland Security.

    Travel into the us , meh, that is not a major problem anymore as it’s already there. ;)
    Who wants to travel into that hell hole now?
    There are still ppl traveling from state to state, that is a much bigger problem ;)
    That’s why it’s such a big problem the orange men didn’t snap his fingers in the first place. ..

    I just congratulate you @Max23 on being a consistent source of a lot of really bad information. You do work hard at it!

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  • @robertreynolds said:
    I just congratulate you @Max23 on being a consistent source of a lot of really bad information. You do work hard at it!

    Robert... you're throwing food again. Behave. Throw shoes at Nancy Pelosi or Barbra Streisand or maybe Joe Biden. But Max is attacking public figures. This is THAT place.
    Freedom within limits please. V-E-N-T it out... there's must be rage in there.

  • lol I'm outraged that the President of Trump University actually got elected to become the President of the United States

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  • @Max23, you know I like you, but please, lay off the “America is lost“ shit. Your repetition comes across like you enjoy saying it. Besides, even a cynic like myself realizes the fight is in the early rounds. America might be lost but it is impossible to know that now. Indeed America may have to step down from boasting how great it is (was). And humblement is often a good thing.

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  • @Max23 : the way you talk about the danger of traveling to the U.S. reiterates your misunderstanding of the diversity, geography and politics of the U.S. as well as the situation here with regards to the epidemic. Large parts of the U.S. are doing better than even Germany. Much of Europe is handling the epidemic as badly as the worst regions in the U.S.

    The U.S. is huge with distinct regions whose autonomy and economies are more akin to European countries than to what you think of as states.

    You might want to lighten up on ridiculing nations for their disastrous electoral decisions. The sh-tshow here (and no question it is one) is no comparison to one in Germany that took the lives of far more people than will die in the epidemic.

  • @Max23, I think you are speaking of what you know not. People can’t gather in protest, besides they have other things on their minds, don’t you think? Like 10,000 families picking up groceries at one food bank. I guess Germany was lost at the end of ww2, but folks helped out and look where you are now.

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    This might be a little left field for some (and math heavy for me) and it has yet to be peer-reviewed, but one of my own little recurring thoughts is 'what if there are WAY more asymptomatic people than we so far have sussed'? These Docs postulate etc:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20050542v1.full.pdf

    Small example of scary figures etc:

  • @McD said:

    @robertreynolds said:
    I just congratulate you @Max23 on being a consistent source of a lot of really bad information. You do work hard at it!

    Robert... you're throwing food again. Behave. Throw shoes at Nancy Pelosi or Barbra Streisand or maybe Joe Biden. But Max is attacking public figures. This is THAT place.
    Freedom within limits please. V-E-N-T it out... there's must be rage in there.

    In the principles office again. Damn. :smiley: I’ll try keeping it to myself!

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  • @Max23 said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @Max23 : the way you talk about the danger of traveling to the U.S. reiterates your misunderstanding of the diversity, geography and politics of the U.S. as well as the situation here with regards to the epidemic. Large parts of the U.S. are doing better than even Germany. Much of Europe is handling the epidemic as badly as the worst regions in the U.S.

    The U.S. is huge with distinct regions whose autonomy and economies are more akin to European countries than to what you think of as states.

    You might want to lighten up on ridiculing nations for their disastrous electoral decisions. The sh-tshow here (and no question it is one) is no comparison to one in Germany that took the lives of far more people than will die in the epidemic.

    dont bore me with history. the past is the past and now is now.

    the fact you forget you don't see in the numbers is that the virus has been much longer around in EU heavily
    and america didnt learn any lessons from it ;)

    Max, what he's saying is stop being a wanker. You're not venting, you're celebrating in your curmudgeonly way. You're a famous contrarian and we mostly love you, but don't be an endless dick about it :)

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  • Donald T. Trum and Mike Pence Promised 27million corona virus test by the end of March.

    It's Mid April, and how many Test have we had available?

    but more importantly when can we open up the country and sell some more Trump Steaks?....

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  • @Max23 said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @Max23 : the way you talk about the danger of traveling to the U.S. reiterates your misunderstanding of the diversity, geography and politics of the U.S. as well as the situation here with regards to the epidemic. Large parts of the U.S. are doing better than even Germany. Much of Europe is handling the epidemic as badly as the worst regions in the U.S.

    The U.S. is huge with distinct regions whose autonomy and economies are more akin to European countries than to what you think of as states.

    You might want to lighten up on ridiculing nations for their disastrous electoral decisions. The sh-tshow here (and no question it is one) is no comparison to one in Germany that took the lives of far more people than will die in the epidemic.

    dont bore me with history. the past is the past and now is now.

    the fact you forget you don't see in the numbers is that the virus has been much longer around in EU heavily
    and america didnt learn any lessons from it ;)

    Didn’t learn any lessons? California is doing even better than Germany. Our first cases occurred within a day or two.

    @max23: You keep repeating that the virus has been in Germany longer than the U.S. As I have pointed it out to you at least once: the first case in California occurred within a day or two of the first case in Germany.

    You repeatedly say things like “America didn’t learn”.

    You seem to be unaware that the U.S. is large with fairly autonomous regions the size of European countries...and economies of that scale, too.

    America is like Europe. Part of America DID learn. LARGE parts. And responded reasonably wisely.

    Your repeated attempt to make it sound like all of the U.S. is a disaster which is simply wrong. The West Coast of the U.S. has done well. We’ve had the virus here as long as it has been in Germany and and have fewer cases and deaths. There are European countries doing much more poorly.

    Btw, California is not some isolated little region. It’s economy is larger than any European country’s except Germany’s.

    The U.S. is not centralized like European countries. And it is large. You are simply wrong to act like the U.S. is homogenous and failing universally.

    Get your facts straight.

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  • @Max23 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Max23 said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @Max23 : the way you talk about the danger of traveling to the U.S. reiterates your misunderstanding of the diversity, geography and politics of the U.S. as well as the situation here with regards to the epidemic. Large parts of the U.S. are doing better than even Germany. Much of Europe is handling the epidemic as badly as the worst regions in the U.S.

    The U.S. is huge with distinct regions whose autonomy and economies are more akin to European countries than to what you think of as states.

    You might want to lighten up on ridiculing nations for their disastrous electoral decisions. The sh-tshow here (and no question it is one) is no comparison to one in Germany that took the lives of far more people than will die in the epidemic.

    dont bore me with history. the past is the past and now is now.

    the fact you forget you don't see in the numbers is that the virus has been much longer around in EU heavily
    and america didnt learn any lessons from it ;)

    Didn’t learn any lessons? California is doing even better than Germany. Our first cases occurred within a day or two.

    @max23: You keep repeating that the virus has been in Germany longer than the U.S. As I have pointed it out to you at least once: the first case in California occurred within a day or two of the first case in Germany.

    You repeatedly say things like “America didn’t learn”.

    You seem to be unaware that the U.S. is large with fairly autonomous regions the size of European countries...and economies of that scale, too.

    America is like Europe. Part of America DID learn. LARGE parts. And responded reasonably wisely.

    Your repeated attempt to make it sound like all of the U.S. is a disaster which is simply wrong. The West Coast of the U.S. has done well. We’ve had the virus here as long as it has been in Germany and and have fewer cases and deaths. There are European countries doing much more poorly.

    Btw, California is not some isolated little region. It’s economy is larger than any European country’s except Germany’s.

    The U.S. is not centralized like European countries. And it is large. You are simply wrong to act like the U.S. is homogenous and failing universally.

    Get your facts straight.

    it is a disaster, look at the numbers

    Yes, look at the numbers. California has had coronavirus as long as Germany and has fewer deaths per capita.

    If you want to compare numbers compare Western Europe as an aggregate to the U.S. those are more comparable in terms of regions. Europe is faring no better than the U.S.

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  • @espiegel123 don't bite the straw man.

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  • @Max23 : compare the U.S. to Western Europe. Comparing the raw number of cases or deaths in a country of 300 million to the totals in countries a fraction of that size is misleading. Look at the per capita information or compare regions closer in size.

    Also, comparing case numbers between regions that are not performing similar numbers of tests per capita are meaningless. That is true both between countries in Europe and states in the U.S. there is so much variation in testing that the numbers have marginal meaning.

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  • An interesting thread by an epidemiologist discussing meaningful ways of comparing spread through regions/countries. It sheds some light on some of the issues recently discussed.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249930293928030209.html

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