While we're all cooped up inside, here're some Loopy Pro updates

Michael

@wim said:

@Michael said:

@wahnfrieden said:
I’m still unclear on how/whether we can route its audio as a host back into AUM, which would be ideal for easily transitioning between AUM projects for live performance.

You'll be able to use Loopy Pro as an AU inside AUM if you like.

I've deliberately not implemented IAA, as it's been deprecated by Apple, and AUv3 works better anyway.

What about Audiobus? Will the standalone (which can host AU's) be able to run as an input, FX, and/or output in Audiobus? If so, then Loopy Pro standalone -> AUM would be possible, no?

Nope, AUv3 only

Michael

@xor said:

@wim said:

@Michael said:

@wahnfrieden said:
I’m still unclear on how/whether we can route its audio as a host back into AUM, which would be ideal for easily transitioning between AUM projects for live performance.

You'll be able to use Loopy Pro as an AU inside AUM if you like.

I've deliberately not implemented IAA, as it's been deprecated by Apple, and AUv3 works better anyway.

What about Audiobus? Will the standalone (which can host AU's) be able to run as an input, FX, and/or output in Audiobus? If so, then Loopy Pro standalone -> AUM would be possible, no?

I really want to make some sarcastic joke about why would loopy pro want to support audiobus.

Haha. It does though, though the AUv3 API

Poppadocrock

@Michael said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Any Ballpark idea on eta?

Beta: a couple/few weeks
Release: a month or two after that. Ish. Emphasis on the ish ;-)

Thanks man. Excited to try this. Would be interested in beta if you need anyone and have room. Cheers.

seventyfour

Will it be possible to arm tracks before recording? I have a rather simple tech21 midi mongoose pedal that can only send midi on one channel at a time. I would like to use this pedal for start / stop, undo, overdub etc. on multiple tracks. It would be cool to be able to select a track and arm it for midi so when my pedal sends its midi only the one track that is active reacts to it..

theinfinate

@Michael said:
Another little teaser:

(Really not long now!)

that looks cool man, is there a way to set this low pass effect up like a Kaos pad where the effect is only applied on touch and another cool thing about the kaos pad is when you release effect it adds a little delay tail, just and extra nice little touch to a transition

theinfinate

@Michael said:

track group outputs themselves, so you can use track groups as an audio source.

The grouping of tracks sounds like a game changer!

Builtin effects include a very well featured parametric EQ, a dynamics effect combining limiter and compressor, reverb and octave/pitch, and still to come, delay, phaser, chorus, autopan and distortion. All parameters (also for AUs) can be midi controlled or controlled by custom onscreen UI, or via a track envelope for sidechain control.

As Borat says...Very Nice! LOVE the look of that EQ

Effects can be applied to any combination of inputs and outputs, and multiple instances are handled automatically.

I can't wait to see this, im a little unsure exactly what you mean but im really excited to see all the possibilities in person.

Yep, Loopy handles that via intro/outro sections, which play before and after track playback.

Not sure what you mean by this, any chance of a video snipet of this in action?

The delays must sync with midi clock.
An octaver (voice or guitar to bass) effect is very handy.
Output effects must not effect incoming audio (tracks only) like the RC505

Yep

shut up and take my money!
does the octave/pitch effect have low latency? This I find very few apps get right, TC helicon I think have the quickest latency for pitch conversion.

Is there a way to fire scenes like ableton to have seperate song parts?

theinfinate

@Michael said:

@tahiche said:
This sequencer thing is a game changer.
Will you be able to send midi CC from the sequencer/timeline?. That way you could trigger Drambo, Hammerhead, DigiStix, Atom2 or whatever to change patterns and build a song with rhythmic changes and parts… it’s probably not meant as a full fledged daw but having pattern changes like this would be an amazing songwriting and live tool.
Will you be able to export individual tracks from the sequencer for final mixing and adding more stuff elsewhere?.

Yep to both. You’ll be able to trigger any action that you can trigger with midi or onscreen widgets by adding the action to the timeline, which includes sending midi.

Holy wowsers, this has a sequencer. This is next level! Sounds like this should be a new DAW on my MacBook! Its the one thing missing in ableton, the ability to loop audio in clips

theinfinate

@Michael said:

I Jizzed in my pants

nebdy

@Michael said:

Really looking forward to this, immediate purchase on release happy to beta test ;-)

My question is - Will it make me a cup of tea as I wake up and then trigger the shower to come on once I get out of bed?

Not a deal breaker but would be really useful

Thanks

Ben

ervin

@nebdy said:

@Michael said:

Really looking forward to this, immediate purchase on release happy to beta test ;-)

My question is - Will it make me a cup of tea as I wake up and then trigger the shower to come on once I get out of bed?

Not a deal breaker but would be really useful

Thanks

Ben

Predicted reply from @Michael : "Yep, you can program that separately for each loop, or through MIDI when using an external controller"

nebdy

mistercharlie

@Michael Will this also be available to run on M1 Macs?

Michael

@seventyfour said:
Will it be possible to arm tracks before recording? I have a rather simple tech21 midi mongoose pedal that can only send midi on one channel at a time. I would like to use this pedal for start / stop, undo, overdub etc. on multiple tracks. It would be cool to be able to select a track and arm it for midi so when my pedal sends its midi only the one track that is active reacts to it..

Yep! There're a number of ways to accomplish that. First you'd set up record/etc triggers that act on the selected track. Then you could use a 'select' MIDI binding to move track selection around, just like in Loopy HD. Or you could also create a button on-screen to select a specific track, or to move selection around, or to prompt for a tap to select a track. Or you could set up a gesture on the tracks themselves - like, a swipe down to select it.

Michael

@theinfinate said:
that looks cool man, is there a way to set this low pass effect up like a Kaos pad where the effect is only applied on touch and another cool thing about the kaos pad is when you release effect it adds a little delay tail, just and extra nice little touch to a transition

Yeah, sure is, you'd just setup an XY pad for the effect, like this:

All effects in Loopy (including audio units) are tail-sensitive when turning them off, so decays will proceed naturally before shutting off.

Michael

@theinfinate said:
As Borat says...Very Nice! LOVE the look of that EQ

Thanks! Yeah I'm pretty happy with that one.

Yep, Loopy handles that via intro/outro sections, which play before and after track playback.

Not sure what you mean by this, any chance of a video snipet of this in action?

Sure. I plan to do a series of vids demonstrating various features over the next month or two, and I'll do one on this feature.

does the octave/pitch effect have low latency? This I find very few apps get right, TC helicon I think have the quickest latency for pitch conversion.

Not yet - right now it's using the RubberBand library in realtime mode, which sounds great but does have latency. Before release I will be building my own time-domain pitch plugin which will be low-latency though. Shouldn't take long, but I haven't quite gotten to it yet.

Is there a way to fire scenes like ableton to have seperate song parts?

Yep. I'll do a vid on scenes too, in a bit. There are a number of ways to do this, via Play Groups (groups of tracks in the same scene), via scenes (like pages), or via your own on-screen widgets.

Michael

@mistercharlie said:
@Michael Will this also be available to run on M1 Macs?

I will be releasing a Mac-targeted version post-1.0 release (which will work on any mac, intel included). Already have a working build, but it's going to take a bit of polish before it's ready.

Because that's in the works, I won't be enabling Loopy Pro for M1s just yet, I think.

Just, uh, between you and me, I'm also a little concerned about the blurring of price differentiation that comes from the M1's being able to run iOS apps! Getting harder and harder to make a buck with software!

wahnfrieden

May I humbly request you include a one-knob dual low/high-pass filter (as is common with DJ-oriented mixers). Very user friendly and economical for performance.

Michael

@wahnfrieden said:
May I humbly request you include a one-knob dual low/high-pass filter (as is common with DJ-oriented mixers). Very user friendly and economical for performance.

Pretty easy for you to create one yourself, and I intend to add some default project presets for various use cases, which could include that.

mistercharlie

@Michael said:

@mistercharlie said:
@Michael Will this also be available to run on M1 Macs?

I will be releasing a Mac-targeted version post-1.0 release (which will work on any mac, intel included). Already have a working build, but it's going to take a bit of polish before it's ready.

Because that's in the works, I won't be enabling Loopy Pro for M1s just yet, I think.

👍

Just, uh, between you and me, I'm also a little concerned about the blurring of price differentiation that comes from the M1's being able to run iOS apps! Getting harder and harder to make a buck with software!

Yeah, the downward trend is bad for everyone. Especially as the cross-platform apps end up using the low iOS app price. More than happy to pay for both versions

seventyfour

@Michael said:

@seventyfour said:
Will it be possible to arm tracks before recording? I have a rather simple tech21 midi mongoose pedal that can only send midi on one channel at a time. I would like to use this pedal for start / stop, undo, overdub etc. on multiple tracks. It would be cool to be able to select a track and arm it for midi so when my pedal sends its midi only the one track that is active reacts to it..

Yep! There're a number of ways to accomplish that. First you'd set up record/etc triggers that act on the selected track. Then you could use a 'select' MIDI binding to move track selection around, just like in Loopy HD. Or you could also create a button on-screen to select a specific track, or to move selection around, or to prompt for a tap to select a track. Or you could set up a gesture on the tracks themselves - like, a swipe down to select it.

Unbelievable. This is exactly what I am searching for. I registered on the website, would love to beta test this gem!

theinfinate

@Michael said:

@theinfinate said:
that looks cool man, is there a way to set this low pass effect up like a Kaos pad where the effect is only applied on touch and another cool thing about the kaos pad is when you release effect it adds a little delay tail, just and extra nice little touch to a transition

Yeah, sure is, you'd just setup an XY pad for the effect, like this:

All effects in Loopy (including audio units) are tail-sensitive when turning them off, so decays will proceed naturally before shutting off.

My hat goes off to you good sir, it looks like you've really thought about everything and more! Id be more than happy paying for 2 versions as well for when you release the Mac M1 version

Michael

Thank you! 😃

Michael

Today's sequencer UI efforts:

theinfinate

@Michael said:
Today's sequencer UI efforts:

So to get sections within the sequencer I presume you just press record and fire loops and effects in real time. If im correct, does this record automation? And is the automation editable?

MisplacedDevelopment

This really is looking amazing and I love having something like this to look forward to. @Michael, it looks from that screenshot like you are allowing repetition of clips along the timeline. If that is the case then one thing I really like in DAWs that do this (applies to MIDI and audio) is the ability to alias clips so rather than have a direct copy you can optionally choose to paste a link to the original. As well as the obvious space/memory saving advantage, you can then at some point in the future change the parent clip and have the linked children also change which for me is the real powerful part as it saves you going through the timeline replacing clips. Is this kind of functionality planned at all?

I know that DAWs such as MTD implement the first part of this (no repetition of data), but I can’t think of any at the moment that implement the “cascade parent clip changes to children” part for audio clips. NS2/MTS/BM3/X2 do implement both for MIDI.

Michael

@theinfinate said:

@Michael said:
Today's sequencer UI efforts:

So to get sections within the sequencer I presume you just press record and fire loops and effects in real time. If im correct, does this record automation? And is the automation editable?

Yep, but you can do it by hand too.

Automation recording and editing: shortly, yep. It'll be in there before release.

Michael

@MisplacedDevelopment said:
This really is looking amazing and I love having something like this to look forward to. @Michael, it looks from that screenshot like you are allowing repetition of clips along the timeline. If that is the case then one thing I really like in DAWs that do this (applies to MIDI and audio) is the ability to alias clips so rather than have a direct copy you can optionally choose to paste a link to the original. As well as the obvious space/memory saving advantage, you can then at some point in the future change the parent clip and have the linked children also change which for me is the real powerful part as it saves you going through the timeline replacing clips. Is this kind of functionality planned at all?

I know that DAWs such as MTD implement the first part of this (no repetition of data), but I can’t think of any at the moment that implement the “cascade parent clip changes to children” part for audio clips. NS2/MTS/BM3/X2 do implement both for MIDI.

That's actually built in, because the clips you see are just representations of the loops on the main screen. The clips represent turning on and off those loops.

theinfinate

@Michael said:

@theinfinate said:

@Michael said:
Today's sequencer UI efforts:

So to get sections within the sequencer I presume you just press record and fire loops and effects in real time. If im correct, does this record automation? And is the automation editable?

Yep, but you can do it by hand too.

Automation recording and editing: shortly, yep. It'll be in there before release.

Sweet deal! is there a loop marker in the sequencer?

Is there a midi note editor like a piano roll? or is it audio loops only

MisplacedDevelopment

@Michael said:

@MisplacedDevelopment said:
This really is looking amazing and I love having something like this to look forward to. @Michael, it looks from that screenshot like you are allowing repetition of clips along the timeline. If that is the case then one thing I really like in DAWs that do this (applies to MIDI and audio) is the ability to alias clips so rather than have a direct copy you can optionally choose to paste a link to the original. As well as the obvious space/memory saving advantage, you can then at some point in the future change the parent clip and have the linked children also change which for me is the real powerful part as it saves you going through the timeline replacing clips. Is this kind of functionality planned at all?

I know that DAWs such as MTD implement the first part of this (no repetition of data), but I can’t think of any at the moment that implement the “cascade parent clip changes to children” part for audio clips. NS2/MTS/BM3/X2 do implement both for MIDI.

That's actually built in, because the clips you see are just representations of the loops on the main screen. The clips represent turning on and off those loops.

What I wanted to hear, thanks

Michael

@theinfinate said:

@Michael said:

@theinfinate said:

@Michael said:
Today's sequencer UI efforts:

So to get sections within the sequencer I presume you just press record and fire loops and effects in real time. If im correct, does this record automation? And is the automation editable?

Yep, but you can do it by hand too.

Automation recording and editing: shortly, yep. It'll be in there before release.

Sweet deal! is there a loop marker in the sequencer?

Yep, multiple.

Is there a midi note editor like a piano roll? or is it audio loops only

Midi is coming later, in v1.1 or 1.2.