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Hainbach and SonicLAB's Fundamental for iOS out now

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  • david_2017david_2017

    @Gavinski said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Can you use this app musically? As in I can create a F drone? Or Bb drone? That would be really nice to have ;)

    Definitely you can make drones in certain keys. This all about how you set the fundamental pitch and then how you set the ratio of in harmonic mode, or how you manually adjust the other oscillators if in user setup mode. You need to understand something about harmonics to know how the ratio slider works but nothing that a Wikipedia search can't provide.

    You can also create some kinds of arpeggiated melodies but there will be a degree of randomness to the timing.

    Haha you are like a brain or something. I have fought my way through musical theory (and still fighting) since 10+ years. I have the impression that I have to learn it in the most smallest incremental pieces. That’s a PITA, so reading a Wikipedia article will provide but the bottleneck is my brain and the synapses to make sense of it ;)

    Right now I am turning knobs like crazy and hook up blue Mangoos oscilloscope to find out where I am (pitchwise)

    But what the hell is the IAA app that will become AU soon :)

  • GavinskiGavinski

    That's annoying, please mention to the dev.

    But yeah folks, anyone into experimental stuff do support this dev because I think it would be great if Sonic Lab bring more of their stuff to iOS, despite the somewhat too direct UI ports.

  • ArtjArtj

    @david_2017 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Can you use this app musically? As in I can create a F drone? Or Bb drone? That would be really nice to have ;)

    Definitely you can make drones in certain keys. This all about how you set the fundamental pitch and then how you set the ratio of in harmonic mode, or how you manually adjust the other oscillators if in user setup mode. You need to understand something about harmonics to know how the ratio slider works but nothing that a Wikipedia search can't provide.

    You can also create some kinds of arpeggiated melodies but there will be a degree of randomness to the timing.

    Haha you are like a brain or something. I have fought my way through musical theory (and still fighting) since 10+ years. I have the impression that I have to learn it in the most smallest incremental pieces. That’s a PITA, so reading a Wikipedia article will provide but the bottleneck is my brain and the synapses to make sense of it ;)

    Right now I am turning knobs like crazy and hook up blue Mangoos oscilloscope to find out where I am (pitchwise)

    But what the hell is the IAA app that will become AU soon :)

    Not directly about Fundamental, but many of you might be interested in this:

    One of famous pieces by Lucier, an experimental composer who did some wonderful things with simple concepts of the physics of sound. Here's a short discussion with the composer:
    http://furious.com/perfect/ohm/lucier.html
    👍

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @david_2017 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Can you use this app musically? As in I can create a F drone? Or Bb drone? That would be really nice to have ;)

    Definitely you can make drones in certain keys. This all about how you set the fundamental pitch and then how you set the ratio of in harmonic mode, or how you manually adjust the other oscillators if in user setup mode. You need to understand something about harmonics to know how the ratio slider works but nothing that a Wikipedia search can't provide.

    You can also create some kinds of arpeggiated melodies but there will be a degree of randomness to the timing.

    Haha you are like a brain or something. I have fought my way through musical theory (and still fighting) since 10+ years. I have the impression that I have to learn it in the most smallest incremental pieces. That’s a PITA, so reading a Wikipedia article will provide but the bottleneck is my brain and the synapses to make sense of it ;)

    Right now I am turning knobs like crazy and hook up blue Mangoos oscilloscope to find out where I am (pitchwise)

    But what the hell is the IAA app that will become AU soon :)

    Haha, no, man I seriously don't know that much about music theory. But I learnt some things that are useful for understanding this app when I was trying to understand Stria. Just learning a few new things with each new app and it is growing over time. Still have SHIT LOADS left to learn, but enjoying the process.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @Artj said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Can you use this app musically? As in I can create a F drone? Or Bb drone? That would be really nice to have ;)

    Definitely you can make drones in certain keys. This all about how you set the fundamental pitch and then how you set the ratio of in harmonic mode, or how you manually adjust the other oscillators if in user setup mode. You need to understand something about harmonics to know how the ratio slider works but nothing that a Wikipedia search can't provide.

    You can also create some kinds of arpeggiated melodies but there will be a degree of randomness to the timing.

    Haha you are like a brain or something. I have fought my way through musical theory (and still fighting) since 10+ years. I have the impression that I have to learn it in the most smallest incremental pieces. That’s a PITA, so reading a Wikipedia article will provide but the bottleneck is my brain and the synapses to make sense of it ;)

    Right now I am turning knobs like crazy and hook up blue Mangoos oscilloscope to find out where I am (pitchwise)

    But what the hell is the IAA app that will become AU soon :)

    Not directly about Fundamental, but many of you might be interested in this:

    One of famous pieces by Lucier, an experimental composer who did some wonderful things with simple concepts of the physics of sound. Here's a short discussion with the composer:
    http://furious.com/perfect/ohm/lucier.html
    👍

    Are you in a room, per chance? Sitting, possibly?

  • ArtjArtj

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Are you in a room, per chance? Sitting, possibly?

    😆 Different from the one you are in now! 😆

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @Artj said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Are you in a room, per chance? Sitting, possibly?

    😆 Different from the one you are in now! 😆

    One of the few interesting bits from dokumenta 14 in Athens. They did restore a Synthi 100 though, which was nice.


  • ArtjArtj

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    One of the few interesting bits from dokumenta 14 in Athens. They did restore a Synthi 100 though, which was nice.

    I didn't know about dokumenta 14 before, thank you for mentioning it. 👍 What a great exhibit. And that Synthi is a beauty!

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    Yeah this is excellent... the desktop demo convinced me. Despite a few annoying quirks with the gui I'm having a great time with it.
    Works well with other apps. All that deep modulation makes a very rich sound, I haven't tried with mpe yet.

    I'm having an issue reloading saved AU sessions, they crash on load but you can save presets ok as a workaround for now.
    But you can make some beautiful sounds with this so it gets a thumbs up and Top bananas from me. :)

    Would like scala import too though.

  • enkayteeenkaytee

    @Gavinski said:
    Still very curious if anyone has tried this with any mpe controller apart from the morph, and if so, how they got on with it. If anyone has Velocity Keyboard, understands the mpe settings ins and outs, and wants to see if they can manage to play it with that, I'd appreciate the feedback, because I have failed so far. Velocity Keyboard is successfully sending messages to turn trig on/off and select presets, but I haven't managed to get it to even make sound, never mind apply pressure modulation or check this pitch bends are working.

    This is what I've got so far:

    Basic MPE settings in Fundamental:

    Custom drum pad in VK with the pads corresponding to the 8 voices:

    Settings in VK:



    Still a work in progress, but able to control on x and y axis, not pressure atm...

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

    @enkaytee said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Still very curious if anyone has tried this with any mpe controller apart from the morph, and if so, how they got on with it. If anyone has Velocity Keyboard, understands the mpe settings ins and outs, and wants to see if they can manage to play it with that, I'd appreciate the feedback, because I have failed so far. Velocity Keyboard is successfully sending messages to turn trig on/off and select presets, but I haven't managed to get it to even make sound, never mind apply pressure modulation or check this pitch bends are working.

    This is what I've got so far:

    Basic MPE settings in Fundamental:

    Custom drum pad in VK with the pads corresponding to the 8 voices:

    Settings in VK:



    Still a work in progress, but able to control on x and y axis, not pressure atm...

    Thanks it works❤️

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Thanks Nigel. Is there any reason why you are using drum pads instead of keyboard or strings?

    And how are you getting those midi note numbers to show, I don’t see any option for that. And it is showing note names even though you have that turned off, which is strange. @enkaytee

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Ah - I see how to get the note numbers up now. I have never used drum pads before, i always use strings or keyboard. Thnx

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Ha, it’s working, at least to some extent. Thanks a lot. Must try to figure out why it wouldn’t work in keyboard view even though I had the same mpe and cc settings as this...

  • enkayteeenkaytee

    @Gavinski said:
    Thanks Nigel. Is there any reason why you are using drum pads instead of keyboard or strings?

    And how are you getting those midi note numbers to show, I don’t see any option for that. And it is showing note names even though you have that turned off, which is strange. @enkaytee

    Apologies - I turned the names on and off during the screen shot fest! The pad assignments can be changed via the 'EDIT' button just left of 'SUS'. I'm using pads because the individual oscillators are triggered by a non-scaled set of notes so wanted to miss out the flats and sharps etc.

    Actually, what you miss with this setup is the x-axis control - I'll keep trying, but just ordered a Morph and Buchla overlay so may lose interest very quickly...😉

  • GavinskiGavinski
    edited August 2020

    Yes - you need the x axis control. Can you see if you can get it to work using keyboard or string mode. I don’t know why I can manage it with drums but not keyboard or strings. You can skip the sharps and flats in keyboard mode etc - just set it to a C major scale. @enkaytee

  • enkayteeenkaytee

    OK @Gavinski - this works in all 3 MPE channels as far as I can tell but test for yourself...





  • noobnoob
    edited August 2020

    the app LOOKS good... id give it that will wait for @Gavinski tut

  • GavinskiGavinski

    There’s nothing mapped to cc74 there though Nigel, so I think you are just getting pitch and aftertouch, no? Are you getting per note pitch bends though is the big question!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Gimme a day or two Noob :p

  • enkayteeenkaytee

    @Gavinski said:
    There’s nothing mapped to cc74 there though Nigel, so I think you are just getting pitch and aftertouch, no? Are you getting per note pitch bends though is the big question!

    Give me a sec Gavin - working on it...!

  • KrupaKrupa

    I’m having more immediate fun just with Mononoke pads wired into it, that setup in vk untriggers fundamental and seems to make the cpu go mad and then crash the oscillator...

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Actually, noticed that you can only set one source to channel aftertouch at a time. I think velocity works best. Radius doesn’t work very well. Even if pitch bend was working, I don’t think I would use VK to play this, it seems hard to get the velocity right

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Krupa said:
    I’m having more immediate fun just with Mononoke pads wired into it, that setup in vk untriggers fundamental and seems to make the cpu go mad and then crash the oscillator...it will I trigger it if you accidentally press c4. But I think that what happens also sometimes is that the pitch bends maybe go to a c4, and that untriggers it

  • KrupaKrupa
    edited August 2020

    Ah that’s good to know, ta @Gavinski I’ll probably read the manual later :)

  • enkayteeenkaytee

    @Gavinski said:
    Actually, noticed that you can only set one source to channel aftertouch at a time. I think velocity works best. Radius doesn’t work very well. Even if pitch bend was working, I don’t think I would use VK to play this, it seems hard to get the velocity right

    I'm tending to agree - and the iPad interface is a bugger to work with. I'll take another look with the iPad connected to the desktop version but don't reckon it's going to be straightforward with the options in VK...

  • GavinskiGavinski

    You can't use your thumb for the slider on the left, because u accidentally adjust the upper / lower limit sliders. It's a bit of a pain in the arse, for sure. Devs need to do proper testing with ppl used to iOS when porting from desktop.

  • sclurbssclurbs

    So.... the "full support for MPE" report from this forum seems to be that..... it doesn't have full MPE support? Surprise surprise....

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

    @sclurbs said:
    So.... the "full support for MPE" report from this forum seems to be that..... it doesn't have full MPE support? Surprise surprise....

    😂😂😂

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Lol, I know.... But that's not necessarily true. It seems more likely that the pitch bend in the iOS app got broken, because the dev said he could do per note pitch bends before. It should do everything except release velocity.

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