Elliot Garage’s new app is called “sEGments”

cuscolima

@rs2000 said:

@cuscolima said:
I don’t know if I am doing something wrong but it looks like the « warp » function that do timestretch doesn’t work with the keyboard. It means that I cannot turn part of a sample into an instrument (or I will have this change of speed that makes the instrument completely unusable, especially in polyphony). Please tell me that it is possible !!

This is technically possible without too much CPU load but then I have to ask you over what key range you'd expect it to sound good. Playing a note only two octaves above its original pitch would already require a time stretching amount of 400% and only few time stretching algorithms still sound usable in this range.

But yes, maybe the choice between two stretching algorithms (a tighter one for percussive material and a smoother one for stretching tonal material with huge stretch amounts) would work. The algorithms are available, and choosing a compromise between CPU load and sound quality would be key.

One thing I want to achieve is to be able to turn a one voice arpegio sample into a “chord” arpegio. I don’t think I need to play a C3 and a E5 together but without proper pitch-shift algorithm, even a C3 + E3 is unusable when there is a sequence in a sample. Same problem with voice patterns. If you want to have a chord out of a single voice, then you need same voice length

ElliottGarage

@rs2000 you need to add to the CPU load equation also the polyphony (you need a timestretch instance for each individual voice) and the limited resources available for an AudioUnit

Toastedghost

@Gavinski said:

@gusgranite said:

@Gavinski said:
I just got Quantum sequencer, I bet this would be fun to use the time sliders mode with, where you can adjust very quickly the note time values of the sequence

Congrats. Dig into it. It is amazing

Love his apps! Sorry to be a bit off topic for this thread, but is this your favourite step sequencer or does it depend? I'm still curious about exploring sequencers that allow midi note input and then allow you to mangle it. Thesys looks tempting, but the interface is a turn off. Photon is good for midi input, but very limited in what it does, and no state saving is a pain.

Thesys is good but the screen is tiny, I mean minature, you can double click and it will make that portion double in size. It has a lot of capabilities I just tried it with segments and got some fun results. Though if you wear glasses probably not a good option,
Photon - At first I swore at this app, initially it is mind boggling confusing, however if you peserve beyond the wanting to throw your ipad out of the window, then some really interesting results. Photon can load grooves into the buffer and that can then transform your original. You can build up banks of midi grooves which you find useful. Midi loops can be shorten in size, and or slowed or incresed in time without affect the actual hosts tempo. Each loop pad can have its own numeber of steps and divisions. If you like experimenting and can accept the learning curve it is a great experimental tool, even though it was at first a what have you bought this thing for moment.

Gavinski

Thanks @Toastedghost, definitely don't get me wrong, I love photon, and when I say it is limited I definitely don't mean it isn't powerful, because it is, and those features you just mentioned are wonderful. Thnx for reminding me about the groove function, I haven't experimented with that yet.

I used photon in my recent tutorial on Piano Motifs. But some ways to reverse, invert or scramble the midi notes up etc would be welcome. I really can't wait to see what Anthony the dev is going to make next, though he seems to have gone awol for a while.

itsaghost

@joniqwest said:
Been thinking about getting ATOM Piano Roll any thoughts opinions ? Would use it in AUM

atom is my favorite piano roll on the ipad. i 100000% recommend it. had some issues with it crashing while using segments though for some unknown reason, but other than that, it’s been very reliable

ElliottGarage

Great live stream by Marcus Elbow of elbowMedia Studios

Toastedghost

@Gavinski said:
Thanks @Toastedghost, definitely don't get me wrong, I love photon, and when I say it is limited I definitely don't mean it isn't powerful, because it is, and those features you just mentioned are wonderful. Thnx for reminding me about the groove function, I haven't experimented with that yet.

I used photon in my recent tutorial on Piano Motifs. But some ways to reverse, invert or scramble the midi notes up etc would be welcome. I really can't wait to see what Anthony the dev is going to make next, though he seems to have gone awol for a while.

@Gavinski said:
Thanks @Toastedghost, definitely don't get me wrong, I love photon, and when I say it is limited I definitely don't mean it isn't powerful, because it is, and those features you just mentioned are wonderful. Thnx for reminding me about the groove function, I haven't experimented with that yet.

I used photon in my recent tutorial on Piano Motifs. But some ways to reverse, invert or scramble the midi notes up etc would be welcome. I really can't wait to see what Anthony the dev is going to make next, though he seems to have gone awol for a while.

Yes try the Photon groove filter I really should use it more often.
Just put segments through the highly underated PolyPhase for some really fluid music, brilliant.

Gavinski

@Toastedghost Polyphase, the most melodic generative sequencer I think, great app

iOSTRAKON

Thanks guys, will dig into it this morning

zilld2017

Personally, I find Patterning to be an excellent sequencing beatmaker, especially when experimenting with MIDI out. Could be useful with Segments.

Toastedghost

A quick experiment using sEGments and PolyPhase.
Unedited raw audio file.

Synthi

@ElliottGarage said:
@Synthi you can use thru mode to play a slice to the end of the file, playing over other slices

Thanks @ElliottGarage but i don’t need to play a slice to the end, but having different slices that “share” a portion of the sample. Is that possible or can be implemented?? Thanks!!!

reasOne

is there any type of sampler app or will segments let you load multiple audio files into it and lay them out into one linear file... like you could take a kick sample, hat sample, snare sample and drop them all together linearly and play them as if you chopped it from a single file

reasOne

@reasOne said:
is there any type of sampler app or will segments let you load multiple audio files into it and lay them out into one linear file... like you could take a kick sample, hat sample, snare sample and drop them all together linearly and play them as if you chopped it from a single file

i think audio tracks in zenbeats may be the only way on ios, i used to do this in ableton a lot then mix it down to a single file to chop / play later

auxmux

Another option is to load the samples in EG Pulse, generate a random sequence, record it, and then chop in Segments. @reasOne

ElliottGarage

Right now I’m working on fixing the little bugs and improve stability. Then I’ll start implementing some of your requests ... I am thinking something nice to load multiple samples 😉

auxmux

Wow @ElliottGarage

joniqwest

Thanks ! When you say crashes are they random or consistently happening ?

@itsaghost said:

@joniqwest said:
Been thinking about getting ATOM Piano Roll any thoughts opinions ? Would use it in AUM

atom is my favorite piano roll on the ipad. i 100000% recommend it. had some issues with it crashing while using segments though for some unknown reason, but other than that, it’s been very reliable

@itsaghost said:

@joniqwest said:
Been thinking about getting ATOM Piano Roll any thoughts opinions ? Would use it in AUM

atom is my favorite piano roll on the ipad. i 100000% recommend it. had some issues with it crashing while using segments though for some unknown reason, but other than that, it’s been very reliable

Paco92

@rs2000 said:

@cuscolima said:
I don’t know if I am doing something wrong but it looks like the « warp » function that do timestretch doesn’t work with the keyboard. It means that I cannot turn part of a sample into an instrument (or I will have this change of speed that makes the instrument completely unusable, especially in polyphony). Please tell me that it is possible !!

This is technically possible without too much CPU load but then I have to ask you over what key range you'd expect it to sound good. Playing a note only two octaves above its original pitch would already require a time stretching amount of 400% and only few time stretching algorithms still sound usable in this range.

But yes, maybe the choice between two stretching algorithms (a tighter one for percussive material and a smoother one for stretching tonal material with huge stretch amounts) would work. The algorithms are available, and choosing a compromise between CPU load and sound quality would be key.

At least 1 octave would be a good start, good job

auxmux

May have missed this, but is it possible to play certain pads as one-shots and others as a synth sample (polyphonically) using external midi at the same time?

Toastedghost

@auxmux said:
May have missed this, but is it possible to play certain pads as one-shots and others as a synth sample (polyphonically) using external midi at the same time?

You would need to use AUM or simular and have 2 instances of sEGment, one set to trigger a sample play by either internal keyboard, midi controler or sequence and the other by either the pads, midi or external controler.

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@ElliottGarage said:
@rs2000 you need to add to the CPU load equation also the polyphony (you need a timestretch instance for each individual voice) and the limited resources available for an AudioUnit

Be good to have an option to switch this off if you do implement it. The beauty of the app for old Air 2 timers like me is the current low CPU load (though not using the internal fx).

auxmux

@Toastedghost said:

@auxmux said:
May have missed this, but is it possible to play certain pads as one-shots and others as a synth sample (polyphonically) using external midi at the same time?

You would need to use AUM or simular and have 2 instances of sEGment, one set to trigger a sample play by either internal keyboard, midi controler or sequence and the other by either the pads, midi or external controler.

Thanks @Toastedghost

@ElliottGarage is more extensive midi control possible in one instance of Segments?

zilld2017

How does EG Pulse complement sEGment? From what I can see, Pulse will simplify and extend sequencing the slices in Seg. Thanks.

stormywaterz

Just real quick the zoom stopped working and a future request would be to enable a latch so when in keys mode and using a piano roll playing like in garageband and I use the fx in segments it doesn’t default back to pads mode so I can hear with fx is doing to the sample as I adjust it

ElliottGarage

@stormywaterz zoom works only when SLICE button is on (editing markers mode)

stormywaterz

Disregard you have to have slice on to zoom. And also thinking about it edit the sample would’ve be cool to cut unwanted slack or to shorten the sample. Maybe pulse is the answer for that I guess

Fingolfinzzz

Being able to record into it from the fx slot is amazing. This is a dream with TubeAU

ElliottGarage

@Fingolfinzzz yes I’ve seen some cool video use of tubeAu with sEGments

[Deleted User]

@ElliottGarage done it again. And this time also two instances have lost the samples that were loaded. Rebooting AUM fixed the redrawing glitch, but the samples still missing, though names still displayed: