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OT: I live in the US and I voted today!
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This is awesome.
That’s back when he was investigating PAGAN.
You're not a hurdle we have to jump. You're a wanker that people want to avoid.
Worrying about all of this “deep state” stuff is a defense mechanism against dealing with reality. I choose to focus my energy on the things I can control and find ways to adapt and deal with the things I can’t. I will stand up for change when I believe in an idea, but I’m not looking for things hidden in the shadows at every turn.
The identity of @kurth has been exposed.
I wonder if it is time for this thread to sink. For a ton of pages now, the discussion has been about baseless conspiracy theories dominated by one person who has become increasingly dismissive and insulting and not about the thread topic.
+10
From the Atlantic article posted above (the “seekers” mentioned were an apocalyptic group in the fifties)...
“The psychologists who studied the seekers attributed their rationalizations to the discomfort of cognitive dissonance: When a true believer is faced with “undeniable evidence” that what he believes is wrong, he “will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view.”
The question of whether Trumpism has a long-term future in the GOP will be debated at length in the coming months. What’s certain is that it won’t be vanquished by Trump’s impending defeat alone—if anything, his most devoted supporters may be further radicalized.”
Although I agree this thread has been derailed, it is hard for me not to remember that 70 mil are opposed to Biden’s presidency. At least Netanyahu is up for it. Qualified celebration seems about the best we can do. And that’s pretty damn good considering how. I’d be feeling if Trump was the winner.
Everyone avoids cognitive dissonance. The closer a belief is held the closer it is to the core of your psychological identity. Cultists (and conspiracy minded persons) hold their beliefs the closest and, avoid the cognitive dissonance any self contradictory evidence even between their beliefs by just ignoring them and digging in harder and angrier. Just like @LinearLineman and many articles from psychologists have said - they become more radicalized.
There are several approaches you can use to talk to people like this none of them include rattling off facts like a machine gun. You have to jimmy that can open a bit at a time by letting them talk to find out what their concerns are. Then address those concerns from your frame of reference - that is tell them how you would, as a person or a group, solve those problems.
YouTube videos and game forums and other online groups have been used to radicalize and polarize people. Sometimes by doing the very thing mentioned above. A person who is distressed by a failed relationship is approached with compassion and camaraderie and given support and encouragement then bit by bit is fed ever increasing paranoia and anger in the guise of self empowerment.
Programming and deprogramming people from cult-like behavior uses the same technique. Kind of fucked up. The only difference being going into a cult the cult is looking to control you. Getting out the persons helping are looking out for nothing but your independence.
Everyone go make music
hey first...the 52nd time... i don't support trump ...bannon's a sleaseball with more money than brains...but you don't even know who's who and works where. Gina haspel cia should be fired...she's a war criminal. Fauci ...trump does get to choose appointable positions, but fauci...the guy's a prophet. After all . in 2017, he prophesied trump would have an infectious pandemic during his administration. The guy's a prophet. > @sippy_cup said:
then you sure waste alot of time on me. Even dedicating art. And without saying anything of note.
netanyahu is one of the worst war criminals on the planet. Please spend some moments reading mondoweiss.
Yeah it was a painful watch, but I think that's just the tip of the iceberg, he'll try to wreak as much havoc as possible before he goes out of office.
@kurth. Totally agree. Just an example of the rats deserting a sinking ship. But please, stop thinking (or expressing) that you have to educate everyone on everything. It’s not a vey successful proselytizing approach.
are you a lawyer ? Nope, didn't think so. I inform my opinions. You think the sc can deny review of a valid ( if he has evidence of dems corruption ) suit for the election? Wrong again. Doesn't make a difference how many state, or federal judges toss out suits by the trunk full. Actually that's his preferred strategy...to take everything to the sc...where he has some allies.
Well, he has to present evidence of that @kurth. So far he has produced no evidence of any evidence. “Evidence? I don’t need no stinking evidence!”
It seems unlikely the SCOTUS would rule along partisan lines. Only three justices are beholding in any way to Trump.
you're the only person I responded to, that didn't respond to, or about me directly....first. I took that liberty because perhaps you need saving....a favor like you attempted choosing to do for me, or at least that's what you said.
That ignore button works pretty good... ahhhh inner peace
I completely forgot about that option! Have never needed to use it until now.
actually the forum has produced little evidence of anything concrete to support their ideas. I did most of the linking. Mostly they say " the general consensus says " jajaja, like the good true believer you describe. Their bible said. And I know you're simpleton argument, it's obvious. But if you just reverse your implied target ....to america is the cult, and you people are card carrying members....it makes far more sense. And not all people avoid cognitive dissonance . Some people relish the confrontation of ideas.There's no other discipline of greater pseudo science than psychology. .....and there's no other people more self righteous than americans.
""They must have an awareness of the inconsistency to feel discomfort. Not everyone experiences cognitive dissonance to the same degree. Some people have a higher tolerance for uncertainty and inconsistency and may experience less cognitive dissonance than those who require consistency.'"
...and while it's easy to see why you would try to squirm out of the difficult idea that your own government would murder it's own citizens in it's goal of domination, you can never escape guilt of the real and documented war crimes it's committed in your name.
obviously you can't handle what you dish out in spades. Like I said....cry babies.
Good things that have come out of this thread:
The link to that Atlantic article.
The reminder that @JohnnyGoodyear is an ACE fraud spotter.
The frantically entertaining link dump from Our Man in “Mexico” (sure, Jan).
The examples of reasonableness beyond belief from @cian and @espiegel123.
I’m happy to be a witness to this robust discussion. But I wouldn’t be sad if the thread closed down.
So what evidence is there then? It doesn’t take a law degree to understand that without evidence there is no case...
@kurth. I don’t need saving. I wasn’t trying to “save” you. Just stand up for your 1st amendment right Why do you think people need “saving”? Again, better to adjust your language if you are a true proselytizing believer. You want results, don’t you?
As the OP of this thread, I wanted to encourage everyone to vote, and I thank everyone who did so.
Thank you.
I think it's a fair assumption to make that trumps legal team will present it in due time. Why would you assume I have access to it.
It'll take more than me to peel off those confirmed biases around here. But someone's got to storm the castle.
@kurth. Again, your logic does not make sense. You seem to have an unshakeable confirmed bias. This is doublethink if you are conscious and you are playing a game. If you are unconscious it is rather sad. Are you lonely and need conversation? Very understandable.