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I also don’t believe in a great war. Yesterday I‘ve seen a video by a professor who analyzed the whole situation with methods of the game theory. The good news is that the war outcome left everyone losing.
I think Russia made its point clear that NATO had stepped over the red line. We the ordinary people may not like it but that‘s the logic of power politics. Now they have to come to an agreement where everybody can keep their face. The Minsk treaty was dead - broken by both sides several times. Perfect time to step forward. NATO must accept Russia‘s security needs and Russia the security needs of its neighbors. We need a reboot and now we have a chance that the deadlock might end.
"America" is sick of war after decades of occupying Afghanistan with little to no effect whatsoever and then the biggest botched troop withdrawal since the Vietnam War.
Joe Biden wants this. No one else. Why? Because his polling numbers are awful. There are literally no American interests at stake there, plus Ukraine is not a NATO country. If any of the neighbors have an issue with Putin, they should be doing something about it.
In the 1960's in the US, there was a refrain on the political Left in which the government was fairly criticized for America trying to be the world's police. That sentiment is sadly lacking in the current administration.
Compared to Biden? Putin is a grandmaster chess player, Joe is still playing tiddlywinks.
This is a terrific primer, very evenhanded.
I'm not too worried. IMO the saber rattling is more a case of diplomatic incompetence coupled with seizing the opportunity to shift focus toward anything other than US domestic issues. True, if coupled with resolve this would be dangerous, but there is none.
This is going to play out amongst the people closest to it without any substantive (albeit annoying) interference from the US this time. Thankfully.
(I know I'm going to regret making this post. I'm noting in advance that I won't be responding should anyone react to it either way. ✌🏼)
I agree with you. There's no reason whatever for the US to make an issue of this. As Ukraine is a non-NATO country, their local conflicts are not our concern.
Four years of Trump was a Worldwide problem.
When the BLM protesters and American Police supported by unbadged militia
were clashing and the streets were rioting it was a World wide problem.
Millions took to the streets worldwide in support of
either side in regards to what was going on in the U.S at that time.
The worldwide outrage when there was the insurrection?
Remember that.
150,000 troops are poised to invade a country
that assisted in bringing down the former Soviet Union
by being the first country to leave the Soviet Block
which led to ending the Cold War.
It’s not America’s problem?
Cool.
Then the next time the U.S has a “problem?”
It’s not the rest of the World’s concern.
Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Germany taking the Sudetenland?
I am not suggesting that the U.S. become involved militarily.
Your reasoning seems similar to that used by those Americans that were fine with Germany claiming land wherever it wanted in the 30s.
Well…as prior US serviceman I can say that Europe has always been there ….when they needed us….
Truer words never spoken.
No comparison was made.
To be fair, tiddlywinks is pretty damn hard. Too much of a projectile ballistics similarity for my comfort though. I hope we never find out who's the better player.
I have family there, and I am constantly worrying about what might happen. Guys, let’s put aside these political discussions and support anyone who may be caught up in this senseless violence. War is hell, not something to make clever quips about on social media.
It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye…
Are you suggesting Russia is the modern day equivalent of Nazi-era Germany? I don't agree with that, despite V. Putin being essentially a dictator. I'd say China is the far more dangerous superpower right now. And the lack of criticism of China in the current administration for their slave labor camps and brainwashing programs for dissidents is very troubling.
The "neighbors" of Russia in the EU should address Russia's actions... or not. It's their decision. The US should not get involved. As it stands today, Joe Biden's terrible decisions have pushed China and Russia together to align against the US. That is quite a feat for a US President in office only one year.
I would be interested in hearing how you think Biden did that. This is not a leading question; I have no opinion on it. I'm sincerely interested.
[edited out unrelated and unnecessary provocative comments ... hopefully in time. If not ... sorry.
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Well said. And here's the thing: Ukraine is not a NATO country. There is no defensible reason for the US to commit to a course of action.
And the EU has never paid "full fare" for their participation in NATO. The US has always borne the majority of the burden, financially and militarily. If the EU wants to step up and stop complaining about Putin instead of expecting the US to do something, they should do it fast.
And I do not for one second believe Putin would invade or attack the EU. That would result in all-out nuclear war.
Are you asking me how he managed to do such a terrible job? For one thing, he is not the 'gentle genius' he was advertised and sold to the American public, obviously. No one takes him seriously anymore and his pluging approval ratings reflect this. (See: Latest Gallup poll survey results discussing his collapsed support).
Have you actually seen video of Biden administration delegates meeting with China's representatives, for example? The US team was utterly outclassed and clueless. It's shocking. You can find these things, from both biased and unbiased sources on YouTube. Look for unedited footage without commentary, if possible.
Let's hope the the people of Ukraine are safe and reason prevails. And I'm sure the Russian troops who are actually on the ground would prefer the point to be made that Russia remains mighty rather than lose their lives for a tyrant who has run out of enemies in his home nation.
None of that actually addresses @wim’s question though.
No, that's not what I'm asking at all. I'm asking for examples of action or statements by the Biden administration that had the effect of uniting Russia and China against the US, and why. Just citing bumbling incompetence doesn't help me here, whether I agree on that point or not. (Though I do. 🤫)
I'm sure I could do that, but it wouldn't enlighten me at all about what I'm asking. Sorry if I should be able to get from point A to point B just by seeing dumbness in action. I've seen that from both sides of the aisle for my whole adult life, and am none the wiser for it.
Are you saying it's like pack mentality - sensing a weak foe in Biden the rival pack leaders put aside their differences just to go after it? If that's your answer that's OK. I was hoping for something more substantive though.
Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal, 3rd largest in the world, in exchange for security assurances from the US, the UK and Russia. Some people argue and the US said it themselves that that treaty is not legally binding and they are probably right, but the world is watching closely and in the future it may become impossible to convince other countries to sign a similar treaty to give up their weapons or to refrain from acquiring them. That’s reason enough.
Besides, it’s not like the US are risking anything significant. Probably, there will be more economic and personal sanctions imposed on Russia, Joe will score some political points, but that’s about it. In the end, Ukraine will be left alone against Russia and believe me they know it
Are you expecting me to provide a single, illuminating instance which will answer all your questions? That's not going to happen. The problem is one of accretion. Biden's ineptitude and weakness has led to bad outcome after bad outcome. He does what his handlers tell him to do and his administration is packed with people who've demanded self-serving, disastrous policies.
Also, if we are talking about the US involvement, it’s no secret that Putin thinks only Biden can give him what he wants. In his reality, NATO = US. He does not think much of other countries and their leaders, and will only deal with the US
I suggested nothing. I asked a straightforward question. You chose not to answer.
If you’re genuinely interested in answers, I trust you’ll be willing to question your own preconceptions and do your own research. If you don’t want answers, that’s not my problem.
I would have been happy with even one specific example that even partially answered my question. Yes “question”. I only asked one.
OK, I’ll leave it at that. I thought if I asked the question clearly and simply I’d get something more enlightening than just that Biden is incompetent and therefore obviously the cause of any problem you declare that he is.
Disappointing. But OK. Thanks for your time.
Sphere’s of influence, as old as this beautiful sphere we live upon, we have to do better, otherwise no beautiful sphere.
My original statement: “ Joe Biden's terrible decisions have pushed China and Russia together to align against the US.”
Your follow-up question: “I'm asking for examples of action or statements by the Biden administration that had the effect of uniting Russia and China against the US, and why.”
I’m not going to summarize a year of moronic decisions, so I’ll leave this here for you to investigate… or ignore.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-china-beijing-us-demands-joe-biden-vladimir-putin-xi-jinping-1676157
https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/the-modern-china-russia-us-triangle/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/us/politics/russia-china-ukraine-biden.html
https://asiatimes.com/2022/01/china-sits-and-watches-as-russia-moves-on-ukraine/
And you can get perspectives like this from any and everyone. But you know what it really comes down to? The perception of confusion and weakness that is constantly telegraphed by the Biden administration. If you look and act weak, you ARE weak. If you claim to have the support of the public without checking with the public, your support evaporates. Politics isn’t about numbers or facts or the opinions of self-interested parties on two sides of an issue. It’s about persuasion and perceptions. And Biden has lost on all fronts.
Thanks @NeuM. I’ll read all of those. Forgive me if I don’t report back on my conclusions. I’m an order of magnitude past my preferred politics discussion quota for the year already.