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Regarding Ukraine joining NATO
In 2010, the parliament passed a bill that forbade Ukraine to join any military bloc. After the 2014 revolution the interim government confirmed the course by declaring no intention to join.
Then they got invaded by Russia and joining the bloc became a priority
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Sounds a bit like the 50,000 truck convoy that headed to Ottawa.
Nah that’s ageist and body shaming ……
You're putting words into my mouth. All I said was that the election wasn't a free one. It was very clearly controlled and there was a level of intimidation by Russia. My guess is that a free election would have had a similar result, with probably fewer voting for annexation. But we'll never know for sure because that didn't happen.
I would agree that the anti-Russian policies pursued by the post-Maidan governments created the current situation and the Crimeans, who never wanted to be part of the Ukraine in the first place, were probably mostly fine with joining Russia.
Biden's latest reaction:
In terms of actions, sanctions and strengthening presence in other NATO territories as a defensive measure.
17 minutes of dead silence before arriving at a mic is so typical of this guy.
Think again.
@LinearLineman, I believe this would be an interesting book for you - 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humankind:_A_Hopeful_History (even if the original Dutch title is a bit more restrained, as it says something along the lines of "Most people are good - a new history of mankind"
@ervin… under normal circumstances, yes. But when a human feels threatened all bets are off. As I said, only 90%… there are 10%. (Just a guesstimate) that can override their amygdalas and be self sacrificing or at least “Christian”. I’m probably not one of them.
This. 🙏🏾
I think it's better to listen to the Ukrainian side. It's not like we know that much more. From my social bubble this whole situation seems crazy and ridiculous.
What's frightening in all of this is that it seems like America want this war as much as Putin.
I was (and often still am) inclined to think that way as well, that's why I found the book's examples quite surprising. It's not about ideal conditions. Most people apparently do not lose their positive characteristics under duress, either.
Agreed.
From the perspective of everyday people whether
in the Ukraine or not, it does seem crazy and ridiculous.
This is concerning.
What is giving you those vibes?
My own (definitely non expert and probably dumb) impression is that the US government is making a lot of noise, but ultimately isn't willing to do anything more than impose sanctions and send materiel. All this while still trying to look like they're not leaving Ukraine to defend itself. Some people in the media have suggested that Taiwan is looking at this closely as well, so that may have colored my view of this.
In natural disasters most people are typically at their best, rather than their worst.
Indeed, a case in point.
It is so weird to be seeing people grandfathering in imperialism for Russia while seeming to believe they have anti-imperialist views. Are people really making arguments that imperialist states should get to take back earlier conquests?
I think it's a bit like poker. It's been like that for a while. Putin does something or threatens to do something, America puffs, imposes some sanctions, everything freezes. Now Putin is making big bets and America dares him to show his hand. I think that media coverage and the official rhetoric is very much about stopping forces of evil (aka Putin) now. I'm not saying that America will go to war with Russia. They don't have to. Even Russia, on paper, doesn't paint it like going to war. It will assist Donetsk and Luhansk in defending their territories, so to speak. America will assist Ukraine. So it's another proxy war.
Briefly maybe. I think the pandemic has shown us that long-term commitment to the greater or community good isn’t something something that endures in some cultures.
but what do I know. politics is shit. these old empires will bury us while crumbling.
Agreed.
Altruism is only altruistic until it applies to them
and then their gone like the wind and not the movie.
Still, saying this I've seen and spoken to people who do believe
in the greater or community good and it's heart warming to say the least.
It's this that gives me hope in the greater good more than anything else.
Then why is there so much horror in the world if people > @ervin said:
Natural disasters are not generally a threat to a person’s own well being, or the instinct to protect one’s family (whether accurate or imagined). Indeed, people risked their lives to protect Jews during wwll or smuggle slaves in 1850. That is the 10% I’m talking about. As I said, the world would be a dimensionally better place if most people were as you describe them. Why isn’t it, then?
best thread i read on this topic on whole internet, including all mainstream media.. guy looks that knows some about this shit .. worth to read whole thread...
This. Though if Russia does officially send their troops in that will certainly escalate things.
yeah, this whole thread is basically what politically knowledgeable people are saying in russia about this. the part about him being very isolated and fed with very little real information is also a very common way of thinking amongst people.
That weird performance yesterday made me think that his position can’t be sustained forever. Eventually, and especially if there’s heavy prices being paid by the people and perhaps the army, those people he humiliated will turn on him.
He needs to put the crack pipe down.
He's a hedge fund dude; he sees everything through money-colored glasses.
Apparently Trump thinks Putin’s actions are “genius”, and has suggested that the US do something similar in its southern border.
I found this video on youtube, quite informative.
