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This thread has gone on far too long, and I apologize for being a part of that. But, hopefully, one last take as only Bill Maher can elucidate….
Listen to the last roars of the dying white dinosaur.
Opposition to “cancel culture” or “wokeness” is basically the privileged crying about being called out for their use of terms which are acceptable no longer.
“Boo hoo, I can’t wear black face any more”
“Why can’t I say n*****”
Etc etc.
People are actually seeing how silly, political correctness taken to the extreme is damaging freedom of expression.
@CRAKROX, gosh, I can’t agree with you on that one. He made too many canny observations, IMO. Of course, I’m an old white dinosaur myself.
The “politically correct” seek to ensure the public space is fair, caring, civil and safe, for all those who share it And I don’t see that as damaging.
It doesn’t stop or damage freedom of expression, no one is stopped from speaking or saying anything they want.
However peoples speech does not exist in a vacuum and expression can result in consequences, just like real life.
Even so I’d struggle to think of one so called “cancelled” individual who has truly had their freedom of expression removed as they all seem to blest about it constantly in the media, surely in “cancelling” was a thing, they would just disappear from the media altogether.
@CRAKROX, we all use language to greater and lesser effect according to our abilities. I think Maher evokes cancel culture simply as a riposte to the right’s continual usage of the term as a buzzword.
I think Maher gives some pretty good examples of how comedians are seen at different political times. His comparing George Carlin’s world where he quit nightclubs to perform at colleges and the reception of comics at colleges today demonstrates that shift (if what he says is correct).
Same with people's actions, hence the 10-year ban.
“Cancel culture” is a phrase whose sole use is to defend privilege. As if there is some group of people who have a right to elevated status regardless of their actions.
Complaints about “political correctness “ are simply complaints from people defending a status quo of a right to be insensitive to marginalized groups they don’t care about. It is a phrase people bring out to make some group feel bad about wanting to be treated with respect.
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Illustrated Bill Maher’s point without saying anything.
Well done!
Except when it is used in the context of criticizing Israel. I’m sure you must be aware of the anti-BDS policies, even though many seem not to be.
?? How does this relate to what I said about the phrases “cancel culture” and “politically correct”?
Hehe, don’t wrap me in this mess! I was posting in the wrong thread
I will continue to believe in your wittiness, nonetheless.
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Oh my.
Do the Google before you lecture us any further, please.
I have no idea what your point is. Please explain. A Google search won't tell me what you mean.
Can you articulate what you mean? I am telling you in good faith that I have no clue how your words relate to what I said.
Too late! Your ellipsis points are loaded with latent privilege. It is obvious to all.
Dammit, OK fine, I admit I am better than the rest of you!
All I have to say is that the vast majority of this American PC culture shift is about the self-satisfaction gained from ripping on others or “exposing” them, not about a true desire for tolerance. It’s too often about searching for subtext that isn’t there and potentially even inventing it [oh, but he might could’ve maybe implied that while saying that] to have grounds for faux “outrage”.
The internet came too far too fast, and people still haven’t had time to learn to use it responsibily enough. Most people are unable to distinguish context and tone (for example, sarcasm/irony) in internet text they read (Why are there so many trolls? Because it’s so easy.) Worse, it has degraded the ability of society to properly discern context and tone in real world conversations.
Forgot to add. I honestly can’t believe this is being talked about still. Like, I shrugged when it originally happened. Not the first time a man hit another man for insulting his woman. I mean, Hollywood is known for its players’ egos and dramatic tendencies. Big whoop.
People who are critical of Israel and support Palestinian rights are routinely cancelled. They have been denied jobs and prohibited from public speaking events, after refusing to sign anti-BDS pledges.
These people complain about cancel culture and political correctness, but these complaints don’t jive with your generalization of these concepts.
It’s just my opinion, but I think this thread is not just about a guy defending his woman’s honor. Violence, assault, honor, PC, accountability, relationship dynamics, humor, comedians, etc. I mean just the concept of “Honor” is worth discussing as it has been so abused as to be conflated with killing. “Honor Killing”. That’s a long way from “Philotimo“, you know?
Eh I only caught the tail end and was only giving my thoughts on the incident itself, since it was the original topic and I found that to be a pretty open-and-shut case.
@oat_phipps, sure. It’s just an interesting subject AFAIK.
Your prevailing opinion is that white people shouldn’t have an opinion regarding this thread’s topic because of ‘white outrage’ or ‘white privilege’ bias, this was an attempt to cancel this conversation, which for the most part has been respectful. This is the example of PC and cancelling.
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Nope I’ve said repeatedly people can have an opinion they should just be aware of their lack of understanding of the wider cultural implications when they choose to express it and not start crying how their “free speech “ is being trampled on when they are called out on their privilege or ignorance when it shows.
Still nice attempt to misrepresent what I’ve said despite myself making this point clearly
earlier in the discussion.
@knewspeak : not sure who you are talking to. What you wrote has nothing to do with what I said. Or is a perfect example. I am not quite sure.
It could possibly also be a phrase that is critical of a perceived scotched earth, complete devastation attitude towards destroying an individual (and their family) in retribution. As with anything, I think there is room for grey. Sure some people should burn in hell but I don't think everyone who thought they were an edgy comedian for thirty seconds on twitter should have to lose their livelihood. So it could be that some people drop the term ‘cancel culture’ to refer to their unease with this perceived strategy.
Perhaps at times, but it could also be complaints about the oppression of personal liberty too. Not every complaint about “political correctness” has to do with groups. I could easily make a politically incorrect comment relating to sex and drugs that only applies to me and the sweet (bleepity bleep) that I am (bleepin) the (bleep) out of with a donkey strap-on.
The way you say ‘a phrase whose sole use’ and ‘are simply complaints’ feels like you want to remove nuance from language and have simple narratives to things. Language in our individual minds may feel concrete and specific but when spread across multiple cultures and individual perspectives it takes on a more flexible form. Sure we can give buzzwords blunt high level wrappings that we deem to be universal but I think there is value in trying to see a range of what is trying to be expressed with them and not simply locking in, especially with buzzwords.
Those terms were chosen to eliminate nuance. Nothing you mentioned required “cancel culture” or “political correctness “ to discuss.
You can have nuanced discussions without resorting to language that is chosen because it is pre-loaded with a point of view.