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WTF Will Smith?
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Ukraine / Russia is too horrible for some of us to talk about anymore and people are restless so lets make a nebulous fractal out of a minor dustup in order to distract ourselves.
I accept that I like everyone else will have my own areas where my views will not be as nuanced as others involved in those areas however I have no issue with admitting that.
You do like to make it personal don’t you, seems all a bit school yard to me, making up little songs.
bye
Will Smith was only banned from the Oscars for 10 years.
We were never allowed in.
Just calling it as I see it.
Bye Felicia
One way to show one isn’t racist is to not be offended and defensive if the possibility that racism plays into your point of view is raised.
There are thoughtful ways of having a conversation and disagreeing.
One of the ways we can reduce racism is to listen and understand why someone feels racism may play a role in a conversation even if you disagree.
Giving people space to express themselves without attacking them is important. Even if you disagree with them, allow yourself to consider that maybe your wrong.
Indeed true, but having read, the Guardian article twice, I think it’s still hollow, nonsensical, neo-liberal rubbish. That intends only to divide.
@knewspeak : is that your notion of respectful disagreement?
With that article, yes.
When people hear the name Felicia, they perceive you as someone who is full of life, uplifting, inspiring, and even charming. You are the life of the party with your lively, intelligent, and witty personality. Others will find you as strikingly attractive and like being the center of attention.
The horse being whipped here smells like "identity politics".
If you have an identity you are subject to it's interpersonal dynamics.
One of the new issues coming out of this debate is the concept of "divisiveness" which often seems to be used to justify ideas that are used to push down a minority requesting equal treatment.
It's a logical inversion of discrimination that seeks to ignore race to protect people that do not suffer from systemic discrimination but will call out consideration of any identity they are not a member of... muslim, LGTBQ, Latinx, Black, etc.
It's tribal loyalty in a new world order. Almost impossible NOT to participate. And very easily to use to generate righteous indignation for being accused of exhibiting bias.
Time for Will to be banned from this forum for 10 years, I think.
I'm very proud that this forum does NOT play identity politics w.r.t. music but embraces all forms of music made with the love of sound as an art form. There are other forums for tribal music devotees.
The main benefit of diversity is the option to learn new perspectives from someone that lives a different life from yours.
Felicia can teach you something if you're open to new perspectives. Or you can assemble a mob and throw some stones.
Weird you think that as it’s the the other side that uses the politics of division, just look at how the right in both the U.S. and U.K. / E.U. has weaponised the immigration debate along the lines of race.
The outcry from the right for example when the U.K. announced it was accepting refugees from Syria was loud and long but they were weirdly silent about us accepting refugees from Ukraine, the only obvious difference between two groups being a skin tone.
Time to share my thoughts. I see some people are trying to be polite and wordy, but I'll be blunt and get to the heart of it. First of all, there really are no such things as "political correctness", "cancel culture", or any of the buzzwords invented by rightwing white people to try and ignore the issues minorities face (whether the minorities are of a different race, different gender, different sexual orientation, etc) and justify their biases.
On the other hand, if a white person wants a better understanding of what Will Smith's slap did and all the implications it has without being "oh so offended" (I put that in quotes, because offense is always taken, never given), they can read Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's substack post.
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith-did-a-bad-bad-thing?s=r
And I can see how the Guardian article can "offend" some white people as it is provoking (but really should provoke thought rather than outrage), but if Kareem's words are also "offensive" and the person thinks "oh, Black people are always complaining", now is the time for them to do some introspection and gain a better understanding and empathy.
Exactly. One of my family members sadly is like that. They posted some meme on Facebook stating "we (meaning White folks) came over the border the correct way" or some shit like that, implying that undocumented Mexican immigrants are "doing it incorrectly". Really? So...caucasians invading Native American lands, committing genocide, colonizing, etc is "the right way"? Enslaving people of colour is "the right way"? Holding hard and fast to biases against Black people for centuries is "the right way"?
If you look at the Dimitri thread, you will find my opinion about the UK government’s hypocrisy about immigration.
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And you say cancel culture doesn’t exist, yet that’s what you describe.
So how is this "cancel culture" exactly? Enlighten me.
The wilful destruction of the Native American culture by White colonialism and the forced enslavement of Black peoples of Africa.
People who say dumb things and face consequences are equal to genocide and slavery?????
The "only obvious difference"... hardly.
Syria represents a civil war between Shiite and Sunni Muslims with the outside participation of ISIS and the Islamic State. So, religion and sectarian violence factors into the situation.
Ukrainians are the nexus of a proxy war between Russia and NATO. More of a victim that is a pawn on the world stage of geo-politics. NOTE: Ukrainians are also known to be pretty racist but they did elect a Jewish President without showing religion as a barrier to leadership. They went with an anti-corruption patriot.
Skin tone would be a factor but taking it in isolation seems a little myopic and opportunistic when there are other reasons to consider.
From a journalist who was there…
“Here’s the irony: the Syrians and the Ukrainians flee the same aggressor.
In Syria's 11-year-long war, it has been Russia helping the Syrian regime flatten cities like Aleppo and Homs into submission, just as they are doing now in places like Mariupol and Kharkiv.”
Personally the whys and wherefores of the conflicts are pretty irrelevant, I see people fleeing war and hope my country will offer refuge to them irrespective of their skin colour, the fact that we haven’t disgusts me.
So, somehow historical facts about the atrocities that happened in US History equates to made up "cancel culture" in your mind? Remember, ignorance is a choice. Educate yourself on history and how the effects of what happened still affect People of Colour and Indigenous Americans in modern Western society.
I have studied history, are you responsible for those atrocities and injustice’s that happened?
Of course not. In fact, my Irish and Polish ancestors came over after slavery was abolished. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I don't have white privilege. That doesn't mean most of US society doesn't view me more favourably than a person of colour. That doesn't mean police will stop me because of my skin colour.
And one of the reasons I am the way that I am is my mother was a closet racist, hated my sister's husband because he is Mexican, and always viewed Black people as "less than" and "thugs", never caring to hear their side of the story and understand anything with an open mind.
And I'm willing to bet the version of US History you studied in school hailed Christopher Columbus as some sort of folklore hero when in fact he never "discovered" North America to begin with (as well as he and his men committing several atrocities of their own), and I bet you've never taken any history course dealing with US Black History let alone the History of the US 1960s.
And in case you did and think the Civil Rights Movement ended with the "I Have a Dream Speech", it didn't. The Civil Rights Movement gained traction with that speech and hasn't ever stopped.
It seems to me that recent posts here provide (inadvertently, I guess) ample demonstration that "cancel culture” has no special meaning and doesn’t refer to some new phenomenon that needs a new coinage. It just telegraphs the speaker’s attitude.
Who’s Felicia? Karen’s sister-in-law?
Age Of Inhumanity - Age of Reason - Age Of Materialism - Age Of Meism - Age Of Idiocy - Age Of Inanity - Age Of Insanity - Age Of Inhumanity. Round and round we go.
DJ Jazzy Jeff has been a musical collaborator with Will Smith since the 80s. He has issued a statement in a clip on Instagram.
This was a very uncharacteristic action.
My education didn’t stop, but as ‘western civilisation’ we have much to rediscover from older cultures, we may then recover our collective amnesia.
Word’s are often clumsy tools, who knows someday we may learn the language of thought, then we may come to truly know the mirror image.
Or...Occam's Razor: That having one group of people accuse random strangers of racism, sexism...or anything, with zero understanding of their backgrounds, the lives they've lived or indeed the many ways in which they've had to 'check' many things in their lives, is offensive; More so, when one considers that the original charge was asserted with zero discernment or discrimination (albeit very discriminating) against the entirety of white humans.
If these discussions are to be had, they need to be conducted with extreme sensitivity and attention to detail/nuance and not as a result of someone flinging broad-brush accusations at the entirety of the white contingent of this forum, who dared comment on a piece of topical news, that happened to involve 3 black actors
This is of course true. But that doesn't necessarily mean that that person is right, on every occasion. Context matters, doesn't it? I think that someone in this thread has not made any convincing arguments as to why only black people are allowed to have an opinion on this specific incident. I didn't read the 'The Guardian' link provided, but I did check out the first.
I'm not seeing the link between the awful treatment of the black community as a whole, both historically and currently, and my not being allowed to have an opinion on this Oscars event. perhaps you could walk me through it.