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WTF Will Smith?
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@el_bo : you have totally misrepresented what I said.
Certainly not intentional. Apologies if that's the case. I think, perhaps, my intention of avoiding the naming of a specific member has left my post a bit too vague, and could be seen as in contention of points you have (or have not) made.
Or...I may have just misrepresented you. If you could point to where you I've done this, I can clarify what was actually meant, or correct my post in the case of you being right.
Cheers!
Again with the misrepresentation of what’s been said, NOBODY said you can’t have an opinion.
Just that if it’s being expressed in a public forum there’s a chance to be called out on it by those with a more informed viewpoint.
If that happens it’s not your “free speech” being curtailed or cancel culture simply people pointing out where blind spots may be.
This sum’s it up, now if you said a different viewpoint, fair enough, but you said,
‘ Just that if it’s being expressed in a public forum there’s a chance to be called out on it by those with a more informed viewpoint’
This arrogance is astounding.
Hardly arrogance, not everything is a difference of opinion.
Not all opinions carry an equal weight.
For example my opinion on string theory would be less well informed than the opinions of a scientist who works in that field.
The same way that my opinions on the Irish conflict would be less well informed than someone who lives on either side on the border in Ireland.
So a white person posting on the actions of two people of another ethnicity, whilst obviously having a viewpoint (informed by their own knowledge whatever that is) will still most likely be less well informed than a person commenting on the same situation from the same ethnic diaspora as the two people who performed the actions.
At the end of the day I find the arrogance belongs to those people who think that they can judge what has motivated the actions of a person who has grown and lived in a different cultural environment to themselves by their own experience and standards.
Patronising much?
Sounds much like the Don’t tell don’t ask policy of the us armed forces or the Catholic Church’s it’s ok to have gay feelings as long as you don’t act on them.
You do so love to play the ‘blame game’ trying to cancel someone’s opinion because only you know the ‘truth’, this is why neo-liberals are often called ‘elite’s’, it’s not right-wing BS, it’s because of this arrogant attitude, that they have. Why do they haemorrhage support from the working poor, probably because they are so far out of touch with them.
You’re hilarious, I’ve tried to make crystal clear that everyone is entitled to an opinion but it’s no good complaining if someone else is more well informed than what you express.
It’s seems to me that too many people think all opinions carry the same weight.
As I’ve already illustrated I may have an opinion why my car will not start but I’m pretty sure a mechanic will have a better opinion based on his knowledge and experience.
Oh and as for “the working poor” that was exactly what I was until I retired, working class and poorly paid, no university education or college degree.
Now I’m just poor but not working.
Indeed, the effects of decades of rich and famous privilege is likely hard for most of us to imagine.
Not what I’m saying at all and a complete misrepresentation of what is written.
Let me ask you, do you think all opinions carry equal weight ?
@CRAKROX why did Will Smith apologise etc. if what you say you hold to be the ‘truth’ why did he not make a stand and fight for the ‘truth’? He has the wealth and means to do so, surely? Or was he a traitor to the cause? Forced by ‘white outrage’? Or maybe something else?
It’s not my place to judge his action nor his reasons for doing so.
If I was to guess, he reacted angrily in the moment (as many would) and probably thought his apology would help smooth things over and minimise damage to his career however that is all conjecture so really carries little weight and should W.S. ever grace this forum or his management or someone who works in the film industry or something similar than their opinion would obviously carry a lot more weight than mine.
What I find more interesting is the lack of apology from CR to JPS, she being the only blameless person in the whole mess.
Hmmm, still doesn’t make him white though does it, no matter how much money and fame you have I’m pretty sure even if in some way it reduces the day to day experience of racism in America it doesn’t remove it all together.
I’d agree an apology wouldn’t hurt, but unfortunately a lot of humour is about hurt, comedy-tragedy etc a symbiotic relationship, maybe we shouldn’t always take things a little too seriously.
Absolutely astounding, isn’t it?
I was just referring to the ‘more money, more problems’ aspect of his life that I think most people cant relate to. I have heard some rich and famous try and speak about how nice it would be, in a lot of ways, to just be completely anonymous, but of course they can only really talk about it with other rich and famous people who can relate as your average person sees that as insufferable whining. I couldn’t imagine seeing my face and name plastered all over and judged by others. Seems horrifying.
Easy to say when you’re not the butt of the joke and as I’ve said elsewhere good comedy punches up not down.
Also none of this would stop him apologising, the lack of one to me seems to me an indication that he feels that he has done nothing wrong and that he’s entitled to mock anyone’s illness or disability should the mood take him.
Otherwise I think had he been unaware of her illness and had made the same joke then found out about the illness after the show he could have reclaimed the moral high ground by apologising to JPS despite the physical attack he suffered at her husbands hand.
Especially considering the joke in question
Because it was the right thing to do???
In a democracy yes
I’m sorry but that is nonsense…
So if for example you have a tax problem , and your next door neighbour on one side is a Dr and the on the other side is an accountant.
You think both their opinions on the problem carry equal weight ?
It is easy to take a joke, if you don’t take things too seriously, even when that joke is about my poor eyesight.
So should only those with a degree in politics have a vote? Or an income over a certain amount?
He obviously does not mean that. His meaning is clear: not all opinions are equally valid. Everyone in a free society may have an equal RIGHT to an opinion and to an express that opinion, but it does not mean that every person's opinion is equally likely to be correct.
You’re confusing two separate things
Everyone is entitled to an opinion not sure when voting came into it but yes a right to vote too.
Do all opinions carry equal weight ? No as some people know more about some subjects than others. This doesn’t stop the less informed from having an opinion it just means they are more likely to be wrong.
On a related note, do you think those in prison should have the right to vote ?
Lol, @knewspeak, if we could read each other’s minds we’d be in even deeper trouble.