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WTF Will Smith?
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Isn’t that the same thing?
Good comedy punches up not down, CR was out of line making a joke about someone suffering from an illness. Would the joke have been ok if she had cancer ?
I think WS acted in a restrained manner choosing to hit him with an open palm, a strike designed to humiliate and less likely to cause serious injury as a closed fist would.
I think most people would defend those they love if they saw them humiliated in a cruel fashion in a public forum.
There is also the old adage to remember “Chat shit, get banged”.
i respect will smith very much for what he did and i would do same, maybe with exception imwould not use just slap but i would punch him with fist very hard ...
when woman is insulted where she is vulnerable (it was known that jada was not ok with her hair loss ilness), man has to act. That mofo deserved lot more than he got, he should be happy it was just friendly slap
"making a joke about someone suffering from an illness" "I think most people would defend those they lived if they saw them humiliated in a cruel fashion in a public forum." --- Chris didn't know she had alopecia. He was in no way "making fun" of her illness - and was not trying to "humiliate" her. It was a (not very good) joke he probably thought of 20seconds beforehand and threw out there. Will should have consoled her if she was truly upset by it, and he could have talked it out man to man with Chris backstage afterwards.
I just love when the Mensa gang weighs in.
As a child his father would beat his mother senseless and he integrated his lack of help for his mother into shame and contemplated murdering his father later in life.
He laughed hard at the joke but that only compounded his shame when he saw his wife’s cold affect. It was a crime of passion and more layers of shame to follow. Jada is my villain for having a thin skin and lighting her man on fire. Their kid is a real Hollywood piece of entitled crap which speaks to the parenting. His kid tweet “That’s how we do it.” No sense of how to behave… acting all OG now.
I’m pretty sure CR knew about her illness considering it’s been a matter of media discussion, if I know in the U.K. I’d be surprised if a Hollywood personality like CR was unaware.
Also having watched interviews with previous Oscar hosts such Ricky Gervais the jokes and chat is scripted well in advance and checked over by publicist and lawyers in an attempt to avoid incidents such as this.
It’s very easy to say what WS “should” have done however it’s not your significant other suffering from an illness then being mocked in a very public arena by someone who really should know better.
As I said good comedy punches up not down, this was a bad idea poorly executed no different to making a racist joke or a joke about someone with Down’s syndrome.
The movie “king Richard” is fucking amazing and Will’s Oscar is well deserved. The role also plays into what happened last night and Will found a father figure in Venus and Serena Williams” father Richard. He was still method acting on some level following a role model. Lots of therapy needed here… all through that family.
Nice piece of victim blaming/shaming going on here.
I’d be interested to see how the people defending CR would react if someone humiliated someone they loved in public.
It’s very easy to shoulda/coulda/woulda when it’s not your loved one being humiliated for something they have no power over.
I'm pretty sure if that happened in the UK he would have got carted off to the police cell. Can't believe the Oscars folks were okay with that.
IF it's not a hoax then I feel very sorry for Chris. He got assaulted in front of a huge audience and folks didn't deal with it. It's shocking really. I like Will Smith. Always watched his movies but he crossed a line.
There is no justification for attacking a comedian over a joke. Watch the video… will got the intent of the joke. The family dynamic cs made the situation volatile. My victim is Chris Rock… he was linked on live TV for embarrassing an entitled queen. Calling out the joke as crass, offensive and hurtful is a better way to cope. I’d like to see Jada own the outcome because if she wasn’t 3 feet from Will this would have been a better night for her man. Now her son is pulling on with Macho swaggering. I think Will Smith is a good man that married a shit human being. She gets to sleep around and her kids know about it. Hard to like her. He deserves to be treated better.
I think the interesting thing is that anyone cares. Seriously this is a big deal?
And really, it wasn't anything more than a warning shot. If I'd have done it Chris would have left the ground before staying there. I'm not a hero but I know how to hurt someone if needed.
I have one word to describe this event. Whooptidoo.
Other than this drama it was a great Oscar show. Qeustlive’s Oscar was epics the best so Ng was actually a good song. There was a DJ, a stage combo and an orchestra. Beyoncé’s prioduction in Compton was legendary political pagentry.
Some good speeches and CODA seems worthy. The Power of the Dog is a challenging work of art… really re-thinks the western tropes. The kid is brilliant. Cumberlbatch was miscast, IMHO. Too rodeo ballet cowboy in slim jeans.
Your misogyny is showing.
Oh snap! I got my popcorn!
Think about it. They could announce a match between Smith and Rock at next year's Oscars to settle this once and for all. They'd have a year to train. Someone could do a documentary or reality show about it. Ratings next year would be off the charts.
They could put up Taylor Swift vs. Katy Perry to boost the Grammys.
I tell ya' we're on to something big here!
It would be nice if they walked the walk, because they talk the talk, about love, decency and respect in humanity, how about they start building the Utopia, not as if they’ve got no money.
Maybe. I’ll think about it from that angle… let’s see if Jada makes any statements. Will was humiliated. Chris was assaulted for a tasteless joke. Oscars jokes target the audience. Timothy chalumet and others took hits. Jada was a non-player but the joke wrote itself. Not Chris’ best material to be honest… 1990’s reference fell flat. The joke needs to be explaned. Not a good thing.
I like Will but his wife is a princess without merit for that crowd. Google her and see if her outrage fits. I get she was offended. I wonder what Chris Rock’s family feels about this.
He didn’t press charges but he deserves an apology from someone for the over reaction to a bad joke. It comes with the benefits of fame and wealth. It was a roast class poke… she’s a classic beauty and will survive being the butt of one joke but this now is a moment that could ruin a career. Never should have happened. I read about the event before seeing it so the effect was muted… then I watched the tape several times for clues to what pushed Will into throwing down the gauntlet for his kady. Like a challenge to a duel. “Keep my wife’s name out your fucking mouth.” Lots to unpack here.
The Alpha Male needs a new Greek letter, we are no longer hunter gatherers.
No the Oscars aren’t important (except to the creators and we can all relate to that), but these characters, as much as the President, set examples for kids, no? Can a parent now say “I want you to grow up to be like Will Smith”?
Also, if you are so blessed to have talent (no denying Will has plenty and charisma, too), society rewards you for it, people admire you, and you espouse being a loving, decent human being who is “a River unto his people”… then you might work a little harder at emulating that by getting help to control your anger.
Sadly, Smith’s greatest moment was spoiled by his anger. He will be remembered more for a slap than a beautiful achievement. It would be good if he had some real friends who told tell him the truth (total supposition on my part).
Kids aren't that deep. They don't give a shit about the actors themselves. They relate to the characters they play. Which is far worse in most cases. I seriously don't think a kid alive is going to slap another kid, and think it's OK, because Will Smith did it on TV. C'mon Mike!
Adults are the only suckers that see celebrities themselves as role models. Why so many put any weight behind what Bono, Neil Young, Sean Penn, George Clooney, etc. have to say is so far beyond me I just can't imagine it. So, they can act or sing ... so I should respect them, assume they're wise and knowledgeable, and encourage my kids to see them as role models?
Sorry, that just cracks me up. And makes me a bit sad at the same time.
They're for the most part pampered brats, surrounded by sycophants, and thinking the world revolves around them. Do you really think they're that deep? C'mon, these are the types that take a chauffeured limousine from their mansion that consumes 20 times the energy of the average home, to their private jet, to attend a climate change conference.
True. But I guarantee you fantasticly better publicity than he would have had.
@wim, on balance, I think you’re right…. However, the cumulative zeitgeist leads to cumulative cultural changes. Dirty things that had to be hidden by humans with questionable morals in the 70s are now ok to express openly…. to garner the support of such folk, wannabe leaders embrace their agendas and set themselves up as champions of the people. Do you think media does not have a role in this stuff? And what about entertainers who decide to lead people? Obviously the lines are more and more blurred.
What do kids think? I, frankly, don’t know, but they are drinking a much different cocktail than I drank as a kid. Did Superman influence me? By gum, as part of a whole, I think he did… but I was far more influenced by WonderWoman’s bdsm proclivities. Today’s US society has more violence, more obvious lying, more materialism and more meism than my generation. So, yeah, what Will Smith says and does affects people…. After all, it affected Will Smith… he thinks violence is acceptable as a response… and he’s a people.
For those here who say they would have done worse to Chris Rock… I say nothing out of fear you’ll come after me, too.
Their is some context, she revealed a medical condition called alopecia earlier in the evening, those who have watched the amazing show Arrested Development might remember Stan Sitwell, lol, but it basically leaves one hairless. So it was a sensitive topic, and he has since apologized. Still, I can see someone getting Upset at that, but what he did, at a ceremony on live TV, over a joke, was out of line. I think his apology seemed sincere. Whether it was or not is another story…
Some of those photos of reactions are classic.
Edit- really… yea gotta be careful with fact checking, although this is somewhat of an innocuous circumstance, thanks for pointing that out.
I was thinking more along the lines of ex-professional wrestlers vs. various Kardashians, but I guess that would work too.
Both Will & Kayne should get some therapy - and lots of it. (We could all benefit from a little therapy I feel..)
..But those reaction photos posted in this thread aren’t even from this years Oscars. I don’t know why it was posted.
Actually, until the pandemic, crime in many major cities had been on decline for decades.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City
Also, on the question of role models, while generationalizations are pithy. Yes, those that don't grow up in economically stable environments are influenced by social culture and the world around them. I will say that 'kids these days' are more likely to be influenced by musicians or athletes under 30 than Will Smith today.
He's an old man for most that look up to him. I should know I was a kid when Fresh Prince came out.
In general, he failed himself more than anything else.
@auxmux, I don’t understand… I grew up in a totally stable economic environment (well, later I found out it wasn’t as stable as I thought) and I was a total product of the world around me until I rebelled in my twenties and chucked god, education, 9-5, advertising/materialism and patriotism…. That’s certainly nothing new, either…. I.e. The Razor’s Edge by Somerset Maugham
But maybe you’re right. Maybe Will Smith is irrelevant. Probably a good thing,
@LinearLineman LOL yeah, it was a generalization. We are all influenced by the culture we are part of. Fresh Prince had an impact on me growing up.
On relevancy, yes. Only adults are judging Will, because they are now questioning his legacy and what they thought about him, because like me they grew up 'knowing' him.
The incident was tragic...too tragic to even discuss blame. 100 percent casualties on all sides, those directly involved and those who witnessed.
Amen. May we all Rest In Peace,