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WTF Will Smith?
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This sort of thing happens a lot at weddings, similar sort of things said, similar results, does that make them black, nope, makes them human.
I’m outraged – Will Smith is much taller than Chris Rock, this is blatantly heightist
Watching the Oscars is like watching some else’s Prom videos. This year’s is no different.
To add to @CRAKROX thought, it isn’t cancel culture to suggest that white people think long and hard before commenting on situations involving people of color.
There is an (ongoing) history of judgment of black people by white people. Even if a white person isn’t racist, the perpetuation of conversations in judgment of black people (or other marginalized people) often takes a turn that perpetuates the power imbalance. It ends up as lots and lots of white people (racist or not) sitting in judgment.
I am not saying that no white person should comment on the topic…just that it isn’t ridiculous to suggest thinking long and hard before doing do.
p.s. If one is inclined to say out loud “I don’t see color” or some such: don’t. What it conveys is a lack of awareness that racism is an ongoing thing that adverse affects the lives of millions and millions of people. Pretty much no one aware of systemic racism would say it out loud in most contexts.
Whether it’s one’s intention or not “I don’t see color” essentially conveys obliviousness to racism to the people affected by it.
I guess the climate issues and Ukraine oppression are resolved.
I understand what you’re saying, but think you’re over complicating the issues. But if I’ve offended anyone, it wasn’t intended.
You're basically saying that anyone who isn't a person of colour isn't allowed to have an opinion on two human beings behaving badly because they are a different colour. Pure and utter garbage and a prime example of cancel culture.
I recognise that we all have our off days and trigger events and in this case Will Smith lost his rag and attacked another individual who was making crass comments on his wife. As a human being I can understand why he lost his temper and why he smacked the other guy and if I was in his situation I might have done the same but don't tell me I can't have an opinion on it because I'm a different colour. Cancel culture is toxic and isn't helping anyone.
@knewspeak : the issue I was raising was not because of you causing offense -- but I see a lot of people throwing that phrase around about not seeing color/race/gender, whatever -- and I don't think people really think about what that conveys. The issue isn't that saying it causes offense so much as that it sends a message about one's awareness.
All due respect to the users here, but it's pathetic that this is even a topic of discussion in this forum.
@sclurbs, why pathetic?
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This is literally in Off-Topic. There is a place on this forum for this exact type of conversation.
Are we only supposed to talk about those two issues in our lives?
I don't get why people get upset when other people want to discuss things that they want to. I saw some comment above like "make music instead of disussing this". I can only speak for myself, but my day to day is not:
It is, for me at least, possible for me to do many different things in a day. I have found that indeed if I do not think about a single thing all day long, I'm actually way more productive across the board. It is the very act of stimulating the brain with various topics that keeps me engaged in life at one level or another. Every single thing I think about doesn't have to be life or death, and for me it definitely isn't that way on purpose. Topics like this spark conversations about all sorts of interesting things that I can grow from. Life isn't all about WRITE MUSIC NOW OR YOU ARE WASTING AWAY or ONLY TALK ABOUT CATASTROPHIC EVENTS IN YOUR WAKING HOURS AT THE SAME TIME YOU ARE WRITING MUSIC. I write better music when I actually don't write music 24/7. But that's my process, it might be different for others. I feel like a lot of people on the forum have music as a hobby, like the discussions on this forum because they enjoy the views of others, and engage in it in the appropriate section...Off-Topic.
I'd encourage those that don't care for this topic or others to just move on and be happy doing whatever else you feel is more important and let the other stuff flow by.
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And further to what I said before. I just wanted to say if you are a person of colour then I'm appalled that in 2022 you are still facing the same struggles and issues to do with your heritage and your skin colour and if there is anything I can do to help just let me know.
That’s quite worrying, don’t you think, can only lead to further problems, personally and even more societally.
What are you trying to say? I don't understand your point. Can you explain?
To understand one another whatever your circumstance, it’s better to talk about thing’s, then we may understand from another perspective.
I just want to say that a lot of people, and I guess this might include Will Smith, are very selective about when, where and to whom they will step up to defend their 'honor', which makes all the posturing about it pretty much bullshit.
If you're not willing to get physical with someone like Tyson Fury for opening their mouth and offending you/yours, but you're willing to push around someone smaller than you, you're full of shit imo.
A comedian made a joke.
He did his job.
Some idiot got on the stage and attacked him.
This is what happened.
There are witnesses all over the world.
It doesn’t matter if he has daddy issues, mommy issues or Lex Luther issues.
It doesn’t matter if he/she is tall, short, bald, hairy, green, purple etc.
A crime was committed by an adult.
There should be consequences.
Event sponsored by Pfizer
Distasteful joke regarding alopecia
Hoax slap
And Pfizer has a new treatment for alopecia…called ritlecitinib.
Hmmm
The world is theatre…enjoy the show
That’s what I thought. Especially when the sentence starts by stating that respect is due then halfway through contains a “…but…”
Indeed it does and each of those will happen for their own complex set of reasons however those incidents and actions are not the ones being discussed and judged and the actions of these two black men are mainly it seems by a lot of white men.
So it’s very relevant.
No one said you can’t have an opinion on the situation just that your views as a white male will not be moulded by the same life experiences as a black males will be so your conclusions at best are assumptions.
I never said misreading a social situation is racist just that judging and pontificating about the actions of someone of another ethnicity and assuming to understand their reasons for these actions smacks of privilege.
Why? I’m not sure where the privilege is here.
What if a white person who grew up in abject poverty has an opinion on two black people from wealthy backgrounds fighting? Does that smack of privilege on the part of the white person if he/she has an opinion on the fight?
Yes, Asking this questions makes me think you either don’t believe in or you do not understand what white privilege is.
If the case is the latter I’d suggest reading this.
https://www.barnardos.org.uk/blog/white-privilege-guide-for-parents
Text book example of black privilege from Big Willy Styles
On the real though That woman broke him, he needs help before he goes full Kanye
Also Hollywood is a hell of a drug and the celebrity life can break anybody. I wouldn’t ever want to be a famous person lol.
Please just don’t bust out the micro aggressions next haha
Yo homes to Bel-Air!!
Would that just mean I can’t criticise someone of another colour, culture, religion or gender when I think their actions merit it, because of my personal bias, because I’ve also praised people of colour, culture, religion and gender, because of my personal bias. Anything other than this would be to me ‘dishonesty’ to myself, even though I’m biased and would be tantamount to the segregation of my thoughts based on inequality.
So going by your argument that an opinion isn't valid because you aren't from the same ethencity and haven't experienced the same life experience as that black man well neither have you. You've not lived his life. You've not walked in his shoes.
While we're at it you can't have an informed opinion on any women issues because you're not a woman so haven't been moulded by the same life experiences as a woman.
Continuing in on from that you can't have an informed opinion on any other human being outside your country because you haven't been moulded by the same life experiences. Or even outside your neighbourhood.
Do you see how this works and how divisive it is. You are trying to shut down the conversation (cancel culture) because you assume another human being can't have an informed opinion on another human purely based on the colour of their skin.
Now I understand that racists folks are using what happened here to fuel there hate filled agendas but that's not what's happening here. We are not pontificating. We are expressing our legitimate views.
It definitely sucked the life out of it for me. I thought we had a fairly interesting and civil discussion going on here ... up until wondering if speaking my thoughts would paint me as a racist spoiled my appetite for continuing.
Not that the conversation was particularly worthwhile to begin with, but at least it was entertaining. Ah well, no big loss. Off to uselessly pontificate about the war.
Hehe, another 'Andy Fan' I see