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WTF Will Smith?
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To whomever thinks Smith’s not getting arrested on the spot was not due to his superstardom then you are living in a dream world. What if you or I had not crashed the party but felt we had to defend Jada’s honor with an assault on the host? You think we would have been congratulated by Denzel?
I once fought for my life during a carjacking. I wasn’t afraid to defend myself (and especially the life of the girl who was with me in the car), but I have never struck a person in anger. If I could manage my life like that maybe Will could, too…. Now that he probably has security.
No, Will is not important enough to rate such discussion. But non-violence is.
Yep, indeed
Same here. 4 big muthas with hammers. Did pretty well that day. Never struck a person in anger either. But this was a little slap. Not even worthy of mention.
Really? This is what violence is now. If this was as bad as violence got I think there would be no issue. There are much bigger violence issues to get to before we worry about posers putting on a little demo of their honour.
@allerom, with respect, I disagree. What if the host was a woman… and there are plenty who could make such a poor joke. Should Will have struck her? Would that be considered violence in your book? If so, what’s the difference, please?
I guess if I was brought up in a violence filled environment I might see it differently… but that wouldn’t make it right… or legal in our US society. How do you feel about honor killings? It’s legal in some places, after all. Honor is a mindfuck.
Yep, we disagree. I think a certain amount of violence is a good and healthy thing. Now, let's discuss.
If the host was a woman? That's a whole different scenario so unless you have a high amount of detail I'm not sure how I can compare a factual event to a fictitious one? For one, the same strike on 2 different people can have different results. I know little about What's Hi Name but maybe he can take a hit, if the host was a slight built female perhaps the same strike would have knocked her to the ground., maybe even killed her.
@Allerom, here’s a little story… when I had a biz in Manhattan in the 80s I parked my car in a lot on 42nd St between 8th and 9th Avenues. The owner was a nice guy… an Orthodox Jew with six kids. I got to know him. He told me once how drivers would cut through his lot to get to 43rd St and avoid some traffic. It infuriated him. One day this guy pulls in and starts to cut across. Marty stood in front of his car. The guy got out and hit him. Not very hard, maybe… and just a single punch, but it knocked Marty down. He hit his head. Instantly dead. Wife and six kids. Beautiful life. Gone.
Now, it was unlikely Chris would have fallen, but, if there had been a podium…. And he lost his balance… he could have hit his head just right. Maybe he even slipped. Anyway, Will did not want to kill him… but in this scenario he did. Sure, one in a million possibility, right? I guess Marty must have thought similarly. Certainly his murderer did. It was just one punch, after all.
A “certain” amount of violence is not a “healthy” thing if it leaves you dead.
I'm 53. I've seen plenty. I had a friend killed outside a nighclub. One punch, fell, hit head etc. Forget about these stories. There are good and bad and they all even out. Yes it's tragic but so is life for many. Accidents and death are part of life. You just just stop everything that traumatised you.
People die. A certain amount of death is not healthy for the individual if it leaves YOU dead. But I'm thinking broader than that. Violence is a core part of the male being. To deny that is to deny the nurturing side of a mother, the love a child has for a parent and vice versa. Violence to a point is necessary. The violence I experienced as a child and young man is what made me what I am. I am trained to defend the those I love with brutal violence. I have never used it but I would release the level of violence required to protect those I love. This is the human society. Violence is part of it. To try to ignore it or to remove it is to try to remove part of humanity that makes us what we are. It has to be managed but as with everything, there will always be outliers, mishaps, and sad as they are they are the minority of a society that has a functionality the is based on humanity in all it's gory and glory.
My cousin was killed by a caravan mirror and a truck. It was an unfortunate accident. I wouldn't change a thing. It's sad but the world needs trucks and caravans will always be a thing. This is just one example of the complexity that is human society and the potential for what can go wrong.
Chris's joke was in very bad taste. Will's response was bang out of line. But my God, Chris Rock's reaction after getting punched was an incredible display of self control and using humour to diffuse a violent situation.
@Allerom, i’m almost 74. Violence is not a core part of my male being. Have I missed something? If I felt I had to have violence in my life should I have gone out of my way to find it?
Yes, the world is full of violence. There is nothing admirable or central to manhood about it, IMO (and opinions are all we are talking about). After all women kill, too. Is it central to their being as well, or are they just a bunch of moms?
Do you think you are more of a male or have had a fuller experience than I because I do not see violence as a central tenet of life? Has your view protected you any more than my view has protected me? Btw, the man I fought for my life had a gun. I could have taken that gun and shot him as things worked out. It never occurred to me to do such a thing. I sought a “negotiated” conclusion. He and his partner got my car. I got my girlfriend ‘s and my life. That was a good deal under the circumstances.
If I had to had to go to Vietnam I am pretty convinced I would not have killed anybody. That does not mean I would not have been killed. Some things are more valuable than my individual life. Not to kill anyone is one of them. My opinion, of course.
No, enjoy it. You are lucky and have live a blessed life at least in part to avoid violence as part of your core. Although, you did say you were prepared to defend someone once which really means you do have it, which I believe is normal. We all have a fight or flight mechanism. You can't just laser that out.
Why does something have to be admirable or not. It just is. A rock is not violent but it can fall and kill you as that is part of what it is. Yes, human beings are not rocks but they do have powerful core being urges that can't be denied. Remember, serenity now, insanity later.
I have not compared myself to you in anyway at all. I can honestly say that is not my way and I literally don't have the capacity to do so as I know nothing about you. I do love Whippets though.
Do you really know what you would have done until that moment arrives? You can think you do, as I do. I imagine things I could do or handle but I'm also fully prepared to accept that I'm full of shit and have no idea how I would respond under circumstance X. All I know if what I have done so far so I feel strong, capable and mentally able to deal with stressful and violent situations. No, that doesn't make me anything. I'm a pacifist, ready to beat the living shit out of anyone that messes with those I love.
He looked shaken and stunned, they both should say sorry to each other and anyone who was offended.
@Ailerom, I said “admirable or central”. I do not believe it is central to the core of being a male. It’s too simplistic, IMO, and let’s everyone off the hook.
“I’m a pacifist ready to beat the shit out of anybody that messes with those I love.” What about those you don’t love? It’s not unknown that people give their lives for strangers… most often in nonviolent ways, I would imagine. There was a man who covered a homeless person who fell on the subway tracks in NYC. The train rushed over them as the man’s children watched. Was he defending those he loved? In fact he was jeopardizing them because they could have lost their father.
I’m glad you're a pacifist, but, as you demonstrate, a rock can be a pacifist, too, until it’s not. I have, indeed, had a blessed life. Perhaps your life has been more blessed. Those powerful core urges you cannot deny could get you killed, I think. I certainly am not trying to prove anything to you about your life. I just think it is an error to hold the idea that violence is central to a man’s existence. It is not central to mine,
I had a cousin who was an asst DA on Long Island. After he was in private practice and actually defended Son of Sam for a while. He had this terrible fear of black people. I could never understand it. He came on as such a tough guy… he actually looked and acted like Edward G. Robinson (of course both of them were acting). But this fear of black men was very real. WTF? He had never been assaulted as far as I knew.
He came home one night to his home with his wife in tow. There were robbers in the house. Black robbers. They took his wife upstairs. He fought. They killed him and fled. I would have done the same, I imagine. Still, I could not shake his terrible fear… and, I imagine, hatred of black men.
A curious and sad tale, indeed, maybe he knew, hence the fear.
I think you just (but only just) touched on the complexity of this. Just like so many things concerning behavioral facets of a living being, this is an incredibly complex discussion. I won't waste any more of your time trying to discuss it here. This is the sort of thing that could be discussed face to face over many years and still not reach agreement. I appreciate where you are coming from but my life leading to this point has taught me differently.
I do think a lot of the “oh My’s” and pearl clutching about WS’s actions at the Oscars are more than little bit driven racism, there are plenty other Oscar winners who have either previously or post award gone on to commit crimes and there isn’t the same outcry and outrage with demands to remove their awards.
Let’s see if we can spot any indicators why that might be…
1: Roman Polanski : Rape/Child Abuse
2 : Nick Nolte : His record contains an arrest for selling counterfeit documents, a charge for which he received a fine and a hefty 45-year suspended jail time also there’s an array of DUI and drug charges.
3 : Russell Crowe : renowned for his bad temper and was involved in several scuffles and brawls. In June 2005 Russell Crowe was arrested and charged with second-degree assault in New York City.
4 :Jack Nicholson : in 1994, Nicholson was charged with assault and vandalism after he attacked Robert Blank’s car with a golf club in Los Angeles. The charges were later dropped after Blank and Nicholson reached an agreement, which according to rumors involved a half a million dollar cheque.
Are we seeing a pattern..
Sefen> @u0421793 said:
Those hits hurt more.
Will Smith has finally apologised
Will there be consequences, or will this be the new normal until it escalates into the next normal?
Anyone calling for WS to have his Oscar revoked for this should remember Harvey Weinstein still has all his…
I didn't know that. Pretty bad really.
Lol in which country people get arrested just for slapping each other ?
Asking just to make note for myself "do not even think about visiting this police state hell"
If somebody slapped me after i shittalked about his wife, all i feel would be me ashamed for that shittalking bout his wife, realising that i went too far.
Highly in doubt Ricky is shittalking about women because of their look issues caused by some illness. He is too intelligent for such thing.
Rock is the one who should apologise here.
That’s some pretty impressive design work there.
@dendy, assuming you’re not a US citizen…
+1
I can totally understand that. It works for you and life has taught you as much. It’s just not a universal truth as life, being complex as you say, can teach different people different things.
Unfortunately, WS took care of the overdramatizing part.