Can't stop watching the clusterfuck that is Boris and sky news.

Krupa

Tapping the like button on the comment above 😁

CRAKROX

@ik2000 said:

Personally, the UK political system is in such a shambles right now and I think the only fair thing to do is to hold a general election. Yep, there will be people who say it not the right time, etc… but when is? We now have had over 12 years of a conservative government and the UK is now in such a bad state, let’s give the people the chance to have their say. I’m from Scotland and have my own opinions but won’t start that conversation here. I’m here for the great music advice only, but feel very passionate about how our country has been heading since the major f*** up that was Brexit. I still see myself as belonging to Europe even if the UK government have decided to try and convert us all to incompetent twits. In my view Brexit was and will be the biggest mistake ever made in the UK for years to come.

Totally agree ! I also can’t understand how those in the Tory party who supported Brexshit are so opposed to an independent Scotland ?
Seems massively hypocritical to me.

I currently live close to the Scottish border and if they gained independence I’d seriously consider moving to Scotland.

purpan2

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Simon

@ik2000 said:
Personally, the UK political system is in such a shambles right now and I think the only fair thing to do is to hold a general election. Yep, there will be people who say it not the right time, etc… but when is?

When the government's assigned term is up? What do they get in the UK - 3 year term, 4 year term?

FordTimeLord

@Simon said:

@ik2000 said:
Personally, the UK political system is in such a shambles right now and I think the only fair thing to do is to hold a general election. Yep, there will be people who say it not the right time, etc… but when is?

When the government's assigned term is up? What do they get in the UK - 3 year term, 4 year term?

Normally 5 years. We don’t have fixed terms though. We did briefly in the form of the Fixed-term parliaments act but this government got rid of it (even though they also created the act in the first place).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011

knewspeak

@Simon said:

@ik2000 said:
Personally, the UK political system is in such a shambles right now and I think the only fair thing to do is to hold a general election. Yep, there will be people who say it not the right time, etc… but when is?

When the government's assigned term is up? What do they get in the UK - 3 year term, 4 year term?

Should be a 3 or 4 year custodial term

qryss

@knewspeak said:

@Simon said:

@ik2000 said:
Personally, the UK political system is in such a shambles right now and I think the only fair thing to do is to hold a general election. Yep, there will be people who say it not the right time, etc… but when is?

When the government's assigned term is up? What do they get in the UK - 3 year term, 4 year term?

Should be a 3 or 4 year custodial term

Well played, sir.

BiancaNeve

@FordTimeLord said:

@Simon said:

@ik2000 said:
Personally, the UK political system is in such a shambles right now and I think the only fair thing to do is to hold a general election. Yep, there will be people who say it not the right time, etc… but when is?

When the government's assigned term is up? What do they get in the UK - 3 year term, 4 year term?

Normally 5 years. We don’t have fixed terms though. We did briefly in the form of the Fixed-term parliaments act but this government got rid of it (even though they also created the act in the first place).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011

The Tories never wanted fixed term parliaments, it was forced on them by libdems as part of the price of coalition

FordTimeLord

@BiancaNeve said:

@FordTimeLord said:

@Simon said:

@ik2000 said:
Personally, the UK political system is in such a shambles right now and I think the only fair thing to do is to hold a general election. Yep, there will be people who say it not the right time, etc… but when is?

When the government's assigned term is up? What do they get in the UK - 3 year term, 4 year term?

Normally 5 years. We don’t have fixed terms though. We did briefly in the form of the Fixed-term parliaments act but this government got rid of it (even though they also created the act in the first place).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011

The Tories never wanted fixed term parliaments, it was forced on them by libdems as part of the price of coalition

Good point, I’d forgotten about that

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supadom

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Krupa said:

@sigma79 said:
Anyway.

Thanks.

All fair comments, Ultimately I’d prefer a global community. I know that’s not practical now, but I see us evolving to that level at some point, especially once we begin colonising off planet. So baby steps towards that outcome seem like progression to me, reverting to nation states all at anarchy each other seems like a regressive move in comparison, and in my estimation benefits global elites more; divide and rule etc.

Moving to Europe now has become even harder, restricted to those who are well heeled enough to buy property outright, which suits those with fluid capital, but not the ordinary individual, and certainly not the young who wish to spread their wings… it feels like many would prefer us to simply stay where we’re put, and after reading that great Humanity book last year, I can’t help feeling that prehistoric folk had it more worked out than we have…

Id like to travel Europe. Be a shame to not travel the globe and get old but I will probably just get old.

Travelling across Europe is a lot of fun.
Living in a metropolis like London means that you get to meet people from all
over the World but there's nothing like going to see their home countries as well.
Sushi in Japan is not like the sushi elsewhere for instance.
Customs and even body language is different but there are more similarities
than differences I have found.

That’s true.
I took my dog for a walk in the local nature reserve. It felt very much like France or Italy with the scorching heat yet I had to make a special effort to imagine I’m actually in a foreign country. I’ve almost managed it. 😉

It’s a bit like walking at dusk and trying to imagine it’s dawn and vice versa. Takes some practice.

Not the same as travelling though. That’s special.

Gravitas

@supadom said:

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Krupa said:

@sigma79 said:
Anyway.

Thanks.

All fair comments, Ultimately I’d prefer a global community. I know that’s not practical now, but I see us evolving to that level at some point, especially once we begin colonising off planet. So baby steps towards that outcome seem like progression to me, reverting to nation states all at anarchy each other seems like a regressive move in comparison, and in my estimation benefits global elites more; divide and rule etc.

Moving to Europe now has become even harder, restricted to those who are well heeled enough to buy property outright, which suits those with fluid capital, but not the ordinary individual, and certainly not the young who wish to spread their wings… it feels like many would prefer us to simply stay where we’re put, and after reading that great Humanity book last year, I can’t help feeling that prehistoric folk had it more worked out than we have…

Id like to travel Europe. Be a shame to not travel the globe and get old but I will probably just get old.

Travelling across Europe is a lot of fun.
Living in a metropolis like London means that you get to meet people from all
over the World but there's nothing like going to see their home countries as well.
Sushi in Japan is not like the sushi elsewhere for instance.
Customs and even body language is different but there are more similarities
than differences I have found.

That’s true.
I took my dog for a walk in the local nature reserve. It felt very much like France or Italy with the scorching heat yet I had to make a special effort to imagine I’m actually in a foreign country. I’ve almost managed it. 😉

It’s a bit like walking at dusk and trying to imagine it’s dawn and vice versa. Takes some practice.

Yeah, that does take some doing. 😉

Not the same as travelling though. That’s special.

Agreed.
There is nothing like travelling for sure.

sigma79

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Krupa said:

@sigma79 said:
Anyway.

Thanks.

All fair comments, Ultimately I’d prefer a global community. I know that’s not practical now, but I see us evolving to that level at some point, especially once we begin colonising off planet. So baby steps towards that outcome seem like progression to me, reverting to nation states all at anarchy each other seems like a regressive move in comparison, and in my estimation benefits global elites more; divide and rule etc.

Moving to Europe now has become even harder, restricted to those who are well heeled enough to buy property outright, which suits those with fluid capital, but not the ordinary individual, and certainly not the young who wish to spread their wings… it feels like many would prefer us to simply stay where we’re put, and after reading that great Humanity book last year, I can’t help feeling that prehistoric folk had it more worked out than we have…

Id like to travel Europe. Be a shame to not travel the globe and get old but I will probably just get old.

Travelling across Europe is a lot of fun.
Living in a metropolis like London means that you get to meet people from all
over the World but there's nothing like going to see their home countries as well.
Sushi in Japan is not like the sushi elsewhere for instance.
Customs and even body language is different but there are more similarities
than differences I have found.

Id visit Japan. Been to London also some times. Last time visit. Went to the egg club. That was alright. Grew up in Brighton. So life were kind of like human traffic. Id think travelling older. Id be more chill etc. Not make mistakes and wake up without a wallet etc.

NeuM

@sigma79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Krupa said:

@sigma79 said:
Anyway.

Thanks.

All fair comments, Ultimately I’d prefer a global community. I know that’s not practical now, but I see us evolving to that level at some point, especially once we begin colonising off planet. So baby steps towards that outcome seem like progression to me, reverting to nation states all at anarchy each other seems like a regressive move in comparison, and in my estimation benefits global elites more; divide and rule etc.

Moving to Europe now has become even harder, restricted to those who are well heeled enough to buy property outright, which suits those with fluid capital, but not the ordinary individual, and certainly not the young who wish to spread their wings… it feels like many would prefer us to simply stay where we’re put, and after reading that great Humanity book last year, I can’t help feeling that prehistoric folk had it more worked out than we have…

Id like to travel Europe. Be a shame to not travel the globe and get old but I will probably just get old.

Travelling across Europe is a lot of fun.
Living in a metropolis like London means that you get to meet people from all
over the World but there's nothing like going to see their home countries as well.
Sushi in Japan is not like the sushi elsewhere for instance.
Customs and even body language is different but there are more similarities
than differences I have found.

Id visit Japan. Been to London also some times. Last time visit. Went to the egg club. That was alright. Grew up in Brighton. So life were kind of like human traffic. Id think travelling older. Id be more chill etc. Not make mistakes and wake up without a wallet etc.

Went to Japan years ago and felt like I only saw a tiny bit of the country there. Would love to go again some day, especially to some of the mountainous regions. Tokyo (Shinjuku) was cool. And took a train ride I will never forget… it was so packed I had to literally stand on one leg for about a half hour! Totally jammed in.

Gravitas

@sigma79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Krupa said:

@sigma79 said:
Anyway.

Thanks.

All fair comments, Ultimately I’d prefer a global community. I know that’s not practical now, but I see us evolving to that level at some point, especially once we begin colonising off planet. So baby steps towards that outcome seem like progression to me, reverting to nation states all at anarchy each other seems like a regressive move in comparison, and in my estimation benefits global elites more; divide and rule etc.

Moving to Europe now has become even harder, restricted to those who are well heeled enough to buy property outright, which suits those with fluid capital, but not the ordinary individual, and certainly not the young who wish to spread their wings… it feels like many would prefer us to simply stay where we’re put, and after reading that great Humanity book last year, I can’t help feeling that prehistoric folk had it more worked out than we have…

Id like to travel Europe. Be a shame to not travel the globe and get old but I will probably just get old.

Travelling across Europe is a lot of fun.
Living in a metropolis like London means that you get to meet people from all
over the World but there's nothing like going to see their home countries as well.
Sushi in Japan is not like the sushi elsewhere for instance.
Customs and even body language is different but there are more similarities
than differences I have found.

Id visit Japan.

Japan is super fun.

Been to London also some times. Last time visit. Went to the egg club. That was alright.

Yeah, I remember the Egg Club.
Partied there loads.

Grew up in Brighton.

I really like Brighton, it's a good place.

So life were kind of like human traffic. Id think travelling older. Id be more chill etc.

Yeah, I've always been chilled when travelling.
It's the best way to be.

Not make mistakes and wake up without a wallet etc.

Ahhh that's nothing to do with age.
It happens.

sigma79

Stories told.

Re-thinking the Way.

Memories, there after.

ervin

@Simon said:

@ervin said:
The remarkable flipside of this is that the new PM gets to become PM with precisely ZERO popular mandate, as they are chosen by their party cabal alone. By the time we have Johnson's successor, 4(!) of the last 5 UK PMs will have started this way (including all three post-brexit ones). Which imho is a rather poor take on representative democracy.

Not at all.

The people vote for the party they want to lead the country and the party chooses its leader.

When you vote in the voting booth, the name you select on the ballet paper is your local member, not the person wanting to be PM.

You are of course correct - but only technically. If you think people really vote for the numpties that sometimes stand, then I have a bridge to sell you. 🙂 I mean, look at some of them: who would vote for a Jenkyns if she was not sporting the right rosette?...

Instead, I think it's fair, and more realistic, to say that people actually vote for the party behind the candidate (mostly if not always), and since they know who the party leader is at the time of the given elections, they in effect vote for the next PM by extension.

Proof: this is why the British press can write things like "Blair won three elections" and this is why they can talk about "tribal voting in the UK". These statements would simply not make sense if people really voted for individuals, and not for the party/PM candidate behind them.

+Bonus, ultimate proof: Joy Morrissey beat Dominic Grieve in Beaconsfield in 2019 after he was deselected from the Tories. I rest my case 🤷😀

Simon

@ervin said:
Instead, I think it's fair, and more realistic, to say that people actually vote for the party behind the candidate (mostly if not always), and since they know who the party leader is at the time of the given elections, they in effect vote for the next PM by extension.

Sure, no argument from me. I think I said something like that in my post ("The people vote for the party they want to lead the country and the party chooses its leader.")

But the public's expectation that the party leader will be there as PM for a full term is foolish. History shows it doesn't always happen that way.

ervin

@Simon said:

@ervin said:
Instead, I think it's fair, and more realistic, to say that people actually vote for the party behind the candidate (mostly if not always), and since they know who the party leader is at the time of the given elections, they in effect vote for the next PM by extension.

Sure, no argument from me. I think I said something like that in my post ("The people vote for the party they want to lead the country and the party chooses its leader.")

But the public's expectation that the party leader will be there as PM for a full term is foolish. History shows it doesn't always happen that way.

I agree it does, especially recent history. My original comment was about that.

And the shorter the term of a PM is, the more likely it is that the party will force a no-mandate person on the public. In the Tories' case it means that old, rich, white men (0.4% of the total electorate but a relative majority among Tory MPs and party membership) get to choose whoever they fancy, on behalf of the other 99.6% who are not asked for their opinion.

Well played, if a bit feudal.

AndyPlankton

Time to revive this one ?

https://open.spotify.com/album/5srjbFMMnwenDrnNqJeYMN?si=5vwZrgtZTzyasbZsY5e7vA