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@NeuM : speak for yourself! I’m going to live forever, or die in the attempt!
This is a common view but it is based on a misunderstanding actually. Low lifespan statistics in the past mostly reflected the massive rate of infant and childhood mortality. People who survived childhood lived much longer than to the age of 30 average - depending of course on circumstances of a particular era, whether they were free or enslaved, rich or poor and so on.
For more, see here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2625386/
This is not going back to prehistoric times but I am pretty sure I remember reading something similar about earlier periods too, probably in Jared Diamond's book on traditional societies
That's the strange thing. The answer is no. Even cartoonish games can be immersive to a degree.
On the other hand you get games like Half Life Alyx which is intended to look as realistic as it can and the immersion can be extreme.
Woah this looks interesting! Love that art style.
What about people who don't have (or want) kids?
@NeuM : well, that’s me screwed then.
My point of view is this
We don’t know if we’re living in a simulation, we have no way of telling – we’re actually mainly concerned with who is doing this simulating
If we’re in a simulation, who set it up? That’s more the concern than whether or not this is a simulation, which doesn’t matter
I don’t think we’re in a simulation, I don’t think there’s someone ‘out there’ running a simulation, why would they simulate it, why not actually be it for real? Simulating life is pointless, it’s easier and less expensive to actually do it
On the other hand, it could be regarded as everything everywhere is only a simulation, not run by anyone at all, not even running, there’s no such thing as reality, no such thing as time, and it could be described as a bundled compressed description of life — that’s what the universe is ‘living’ — simply the tight prearranged possibility of life, which implies a deterministic description of all of life in one, and if it’s deterministic, a superhuman AI could possibly run inferences across many parallel attention networks and produce output that relates to not only the present and past but the future
What if, in the future, we asked an emergent Superhuman AI what will happen, and it correctly described it, and it went on to describe a lot of things which will happen, so that it is breaking past the boundary of temporally occluded asymmetrical information
Having that happen would not surprise me in the least
Yes, one for me too, please. Might help wrapping my head around those heavy (meta) physics.:)
I haven't watched all the videos posted here, but are there any signs that we are living in a simulation?
Gnosticism for tech bros. Definitely a possibility, but so are other scenarios.
Because that's what human curiosity has always been about. Humans are explorers. With the "Why do we need to explore and leave" mindset, we'd still be sitting in caves. (Maybe that would be better, but that's another discussion entirely!)
That's "collateral damage" caused by medical progress. Not long ago in evolutionary terms, humans DID die shortly after reproducing 😉
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat
(Burden of proof)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
I don't think that sitting in a cave is much fun, but I'm not so sure we should be blasting off on Elon's rockets and messing up the rest of the universe.
As for "Humans are explorers", I'm not sure that we are. There are always a few brave souls who explore but most of us just want a quiet life.
We are back to sitting in caves. We can just communicate between them now.
I’m not convinced we’re conscious
I believe we think we’re conscious because (from what I can ascertain) the loudest most dominant current dorsal attention network in our brain is shouting at everything else that it is the conscious one, and that coupled with a very short term memory of such transactions gives the illusion of consciousness
But every night we go to sleep and lose this illusion of consciousness
Every night (in general)
At the point of falling asleep, we’re unaware of it, we’re aware of not having fallen asleep, but we’re not aware of the transition into sleep at all – that’s totally obliterated (or never got there) from our ‘conscious’ memory
When we wake up we stitch together the memory of who we are from yesterday with who we find ourself to be today, although arguably the memory from yesterday backward could just as well be a synthesised implant of [all that memory] in one go to make it seem like you’ve lived a life as opposed to started this morning
Biologically, how far back into development of life with a brain and a memory do we have to go to find life that processes sensory input from the outside world and translates this into action through agency within the outside world, and has memory, yet might not have anything like a ‘conscious’ process in order to do what it does?
Any animal? Arguably all animals have potential to host a conscious process, which possibly implies that it is tokenising sensory input in order to set up forthcoming action, this alone is a kind of ‘language’ (not necessarily verbal – not necessarily involving sounds made and then heard through ears) and consequently their world model is quite possibly a bounded large(ish) language model
So, if you're not conscious that means you never need to buy another iOS music app ever again.... right?
They didn’t fulfill their duty. But it doesn’t matter because they won’t reproduce, so their faulty traits won’t get passed on.
^ I think my reply sounds harsh and I don’t want believe it, but it’s the only reason I can think of in order to defend the original, oversimplified belief that I settled on.
Thanks for sullying my temporary contentment of thinking that I needn’t ponder about this any more. 🙄
In some way we really "live" in simulation. Or to be more exact - our brain builds for us model of world outside which is what we actually "see" - most of information brain processes for exampel to build image we "see" goes not directly from eyes BUT f rom part of brain where is actually store information what we saw before.
Brain literally runs simulated model of worlds outside and then just updates data from sensory inputs.
extremely interesting:
I agree. Sure, there's curiosity, but major feats of exploration have historically been driven purely by pressure on the ability to survive. Or greed. Or more recently simply ego.
[edit] OK, maybe there are some people with a hunger to explore but I bet they're a very tiny minority. Those are the ones used by others to seek out new territories to exploit. Cynical, I know, but I'd bet historically provable.
You can’t doubt you are conscious because doubt is itself a type of conscious intention
Can a person dream that they doubt something?
I doubt that.
👍 nice, I see if I can give something a try this year
I can't watch the video in my location, is it about saccadic eye movement? When I read about it in this twitter thread some time ago I found it fascinating, especially the "experiment" with analog clocks:
Who is observing the dream?
Nobody
Nothing exists until you wake up
Duty to who...?
Absolutely, lol.