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Is it possible we are living in a simulation?

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  • Without answering by posting a YouTube video, can anyone tell me what signs are there that suggest we are living in a simulation?

  • @Simon said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    They didn’t fulfill their duty.

    Duty to who...?

    their own species. But it’s ok. Others pick up the slack, so just enjoy the ride.

  • edited April 2023

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    @Simon said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    They didn’t fulfill their duty.

    Duty to who...?

    their own species. But it’s ok. Others pick up the slack, so just enjoy the ride.

    There is no "duty to their own species." You saw that on "Star Trek". Or "Triumph Of The Will".

  • I never followed Star Trek, and I haven’t heard of the latter. It just seems like empirical knowledge. It’s been observed in nature, what other species do to ensure their survival.

  • I can definitively say maybe or maybe not from my current perspective

  • @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I never followed Star Trek, and I haven’t heard of the latter. It just seems like empirical knowledge. It’s been observed in nature, what other species do to ensure their survival.

    I guess my questioning is the word "duty". I don't think we have any duty (or moral obligation) to continue our species.

    I certainly didn't sign anything to that effect.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2023

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I never followed Star Trek, and I haven’t heard of the latter. It just seems like empirical knowledge. It’s been observed in nature, what other species do to ensure their survival.

    Other species don't use whatever level of intelligence they have to come up with more effective ways to kill each other. We're the only species that intentionally participates in mass slaughter of our own on a regular basis. We're the only ones who go forward with making things with the full knowledge that they can, and are very likely to, exterminate our own species.

  • @Simon said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I never followed Star Trek, and I haven’t heard of the latter. It just seems like empirical knowledge. It’s been observed in nature, what other species do to ensure their survival.

    I guess my questioning is the word "duty". I don't think we have any duty (or moral obligation) to continue our species.

    I have and sometimes still share your aforementioned thought, which is precisely why procreation feels so good— as a way to temporarily circumvent such thought patterns.

  • @wim said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I never followed Star Trek, and I haven’t heard of the latter. It just seems like empirical knowledge. It’s been observed in nature, what other species do to ensure their survival.

    Other species don't use whatever level of intelligence they have to come up with more effective ways to kill each other. We're the only species that intentionally participates in mass slaughter of our own on a regular basis. We're the only ones who go forward with making things with the full knowledge that they can, and are very likely to, exterminate our own species.

    Not necessarily true is it? Other species are known to be territorial amongst themselves. I know how absurd it must sound to compare wolf packs, ant colonies, and female praying mantises devouring their mate after sex to human mass genocides, but isn’t it the same fundamental principle?

    And to add to your list of atrocities, I think, but am not sure, that we’re also the only species who simultaneously are capable of
    altruistic behaviors such as fostering unwanted children, helping helpless people live a comfortable life ( think extra special needs.)

    We are a complex bunch, that’s for sure.

  • The Darwinian phrase 'survival of the fittest' only came into print in the 5th edition of his Origin of the Species book and was actually borrowed from another thinker. Before that he only spoke of 'natural selection'.

    The latter is a much broader phrase, and potentially implies the idea of being compatible with other species and the ecosystem / world as a whole. Nature selects species that have an appropriate level of power that doesn't wipe them out.

    We may be the 'fittest' as in the most powerful, but in nature that never bodes well. If lions eat all the prey in their area they have nothing left to eat. We're an apex predator completely out of step with our environs. We're just too powerful. So, yes, the evolutionary path we're on might well make us the king of the world, but unless we stand back and take a look at where we're going, we're only evolving to become the masters of our own extinction. We're not on a race to the top, we're on a race to the bottom.

    A good analogy is football. Yes you can be a great player, but if you don't play with the team, it's unlikely to end well. You don't want to pass the ball to a player who is in a better position to score a goal than you are? How's that going to play out?

  • edited April 2023

    @Grandbear said:
    I can't watch the video in my location, is it about saccadic eye movement? When I read about it in this twitter thread some time ago I found it fascinating, especially the "experiment" with analog clocks:

    This is there mentioned too, bit in general it’s document about how brain works, how it basically creates “simulation” of outside world and that is what you ar really experiencing, not direct input from you senses - inout from your senses mostly just feeds with data areas of brain which are building model of world around you … that’s why basically experiencing world aroun is for brain same proces as imagininh it (or dreaming about it)

    Try find somewhere document “The Brain with Davig Eagleman” - most interesting document about brain i ever saw.

  • edited April 2023

    @cyberheater said:

    @u0421793 said:
    Can a person dream that they doubt something?

    Who is observing the dream?

    You can doubt in dream that it is reality, and by this approach you can even realise it is just dream and start alteting it … it’s pretty cool, few times i already managed to do it … still long way ahead to improve this skill, i manage to realize i am dreaming (and also stay in dream, do not awake, which is another skill needed to be learned) probably in one from 100 dreams :-)))) but it’s absolutely fantastic experience .. Most interesting is thst in moment you realize you are dreaming everything switches to be extremely sharp and realistic, i would say it is even more real than when you are awake :-))

  • edited April 2023

    @Grandbear said:
    I can't watch the video in my location,

    Btw. install "NordVPN" app on your computer, or ipad or iphone .. it works even for free without subscription, it solves most of this kind of problems ;) Another bonus is if you are from country where is not freedom, this makes you safe when browsing internet cause nobody can find what and where you are browsing :)

  • edited April 2023

    @wim said: We're the only species that intentionally participates in mass slaughter of our own on a regular basis.

    Ants. Chimps. Termites.

  • @dendy said:

    @Grandbear said:
    I can't watch the video in my location,

    Btw. install "NordVPN" app on your computer, or ipad or iphone .. it works even for free without subscription

    Thanks for that tip. I had a look at the web site and it looks like a commercial product. It works for free?

  • edited April 2023

    We're the only species that intentionally suggests installing VPN on a regular basis.

  • edited April 2023

    @Simon said:

    @dendy said:

    @Grandbear said:
    I can't watch the video in my location,

    Btw. install "NordVPN" app on your computer, or ipad or iphone .. it works even for free without subscription

    Thanks for that tip. I had a look at the web site and it looks like a commercial product. It works for free?

    sorry i messed the app, mean ProtonVPN .. this one is for free in basic version

    https://apps.apple.com/sk/app/proton-vpn-fast-secure/id1437005085

  • @dendy said:
    sorry i messed the app, mean ProtonVPN .. this one is for free in basic version

    https://apps.apple.com/sk/app/proton-vpn-fast-secure/id1437005085

    Great, i'll check it out - thank you for the link.

  • edited April 2023

    we need better brain <=> computer interfsce ... in terms of GFX/physics photorealistic simulation is matter of 2-3 years

  • the thing to remember is that it’s easy to look at other people and fall into thinking that they’re in some way sentient, intelligent and have a ’self’, like us, but of course, they’re simply a large language model on top of an animal body, so how can they?

  • @u0421793 said:
    the thing to remember is that it’s easy to look at other people and fall into thinking that they’re in some way sentient, intelligent and have a ’self’, like us, but of course, they’re simply a large language model on top of an animal body, so how can they?

    Wait, there are other solipsists out there?

  • What is ‘out there’ ?

  • @Svetlovska said:
    What is ‘out there’ ?

    Only true "out there" in terms of our universe is inside of black hole :-D

  • Out there, in here, same thing

  • wimwim
    edited April 2023

  • The question is far more complex than you think. Here is a book I contributed to on the subject:
    https://a.co/d/8uHYNUv

  • @setAI : Well? is it? Yes or no… ;)

  • wimwim
    edited April 2023

    @Simon said:
    Without answering by posting a YouTube video, can anyone tell me what signs are there that suggest we are living in a simulation?

    Those of us who can are unfortunately bound by a very explicit NDA.

  • @Simon said:
    Without answering by posting a YouTube video, can anyone tell me what signs are there that suggest we are living in a simulation?

    As with many things, Wikipedia is a good place to turn for a broad overview. I think most versions of recent arguments for "we're living in a simulation" are related to Nick Bostrom's work, referenced in Wikipedia article. These don't depend at all on there being "signs" of us being in a simulation, if by that you mean something like inconsistencies or mistakes in the construction of the simulation. It's more of a probabilistic argument. . .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis

  • @hes said:
    I think most versions of recent arguments for "we're living in a simulation" are related to Nick Bostrom's work, referenced in Wikipedia article.

    Ah, so some Swedish egghead comes up with this nonsense - should have guessed. First Ikea, now this...

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