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That pleyel is decent, yes, also the free bechstein!
Free Bechstein? Did I miss something? I don’t see that in my list.
My bad! That's actually in the kremsegg 2 collection! https://www.modartt.com/kremsegg2
Ah I got excited for a second 😂
Im playing through everything now and honestly yeah it’s expensive but what you get for the price is so worth it. The guitar and Hohner collection both sound absolutely fantastic. It’s uncanny how realistic the guitar sounds at times. And the included free stuff is also very very high quality. Add to that the effects, and the more than decent parameter tweaking options you get, I’d say it’s $130 well spent.
Yesterday I bought Classical/acoustic Guitar IAP into Pianoteq 8 for my iPad.
Wow, that guitar sounds amazing!
And, the ability to adjust things are endless.
50 bucks, worth every penny.
Here’s a nice video from a guy playing Pianoteq with his MIDI guitar - good stuff.
I bought the classical guitar one as well and yeah it’s highly realistic. I haven’t had the chance to run it through a bunch of guitar specific effects yet but I need to. Kinda wanna buy that Nembrini acoustic preamp app to see how it takes to it.
Yeah that guitar is great. Most people will want to turn the slider a bit more towards the pro side as the string noises are a bit ott otherwise!
Hmmm… I don’t get it?
Which slider are we talking about? Pro?
I may have missed something in Pianoteq…
In the guitar preset, somewhere, forget where, there is some slider that from memory slides between casual and pro. I might be misremembering the names and I'm not in front of my ipad. The casual side emulates a less skilled player and has more string noise, if you turn it all the way to Pro it will have no string noise, or very little. Will all be in the manual, like I say, this is just from memory and I haven't used the guitar in a while now
Ohh, I found it!
It may be a glitch in the UI, because it wasn’t there in AUv3 mode - on the Pianoteq in standalone it was there…
But, when restarting Logic Pro on my iPad it went back even in AU-mode - strange…
Strange, don't think I've ever had problems finding thia in auv3. Glad whatever problem seems to have rectified itself tho!
I’m guessing Pianoteq 8 must be really, really good, because I couldn’t help but notice that you can get an actual, generally well thought of, really physical 88 note electronic piano with fully weighted keys and a fistful of Pianos and other voices from Roland for the cost of the base Pianoteq package and a couple of extra voices:
https://www.roland.com/ca/products/fp-10/
Well... It is REALLY good. And I don't know anything about that Roland model but I can bet you a million bucks it has nowhere near the level of tweakability pianoteq has. Is it sample based? If so I wonder how many velocity layers it has.
With pianoteq, you have to be careful with the reviews you look it. Apparently it has come a long way since version 1.
What do you mean with “a couple of extra voices”?
Stage version 129 dollar
Two extra voices (instruments) 98 dollars
That’s 227 dollar, pretty far away from 375 pounds…
As Gav said, it’s not comparable, Pianoteq has tons of customization, and I can’t really think that’s the case with a cheap digital piano…
Also, if this Roland was offering great piano experience, it would NOT cost 375 pounds…
Yes definitely. At this price its inbuilt piano sounds are highly unlikely to remotely come close to the quality of Pianoteq. Most likely it's full of a bunch of different mediocre sounding instruments like the kind of timings you get when you buy a korg midi keyboard though weighted keys would be nice of course. Even the pretty pricey Korg Module Steinway D IAP sounds really like crap compared to the Pianoteq Steinway IAP which is not really much more expensive and definitely worth the extra cash, imo. I mean, on desktop you can easily spend hundreds of dollars on a single good sampled piano plugin. Again, haven't tried the Roland or anything but you do get what you pay for. With pianos, as with anything, it's only really when you spend a good bit of time comparing different ones back to back that you realise what's good and what isn't. And to some extent this is subjective, but there are certain parameters, like number of velocity layers or incremental sustain that can be judged 100% objectively. Pure Piano I could quite happily delete from my device now, in terms of sound, and particularly the poor number of velocity layers, but I'll keep it for some nice features like the reverse function.
@Gavinski - I’m very suspicious around that keybed in a 375 pounds piano…
As an comparison, I’ve got an Studiologic Studio 88 key MIDI controller with pretty OK keybed, but, it’s just a “simple” comtroller, an it’s around 400 dollars new.
Why should Roland put out an digital piano with a great keybed for 375 pounds? Doesn’t make sense, it must be something here?
Checked the exchange rate between english pounds and US dollar - 375 pounds is 479 dollars in todays value…
Apparently the Roland FP-10 has the same keybed (PHA4) as the higher FP-60X which is about £999 UK money and if I remember the initial reviews of the FP-10 were pretty amazed they (Roland) could do this level of keybed for that price. But would love to hear from others that actually have direct hands-on as I don’t. I think the internal piano sounds on the Roland FP-60X is much better, but again, not sure how that compares with Pianoteq.
88 fully weighted keys
PHA-4 Standard Keyboard: with Escapement and Ivory Feel
Touch Sensitivity (5 types, OFF)
Sound: SuperNATURAL Piano Sound
96-note polyphony
15 instrument sounds (expandable via the app)
Modes: Dual, Duo (Twin Piano), Split (via the app)
17 preset songs + 15 Demos
Piano Simulation: String Resonance, Damper Resonance, Key Off Resonance
Metronome, Transpose, Fine-tuning
Speakers: 6W + 6W (12 cm x 2)
Connections: USB to Host, USB to Device, Bluetooth 4.0, Headphone jack (3.5mm, 1/8″), Sustain Pedal jack
At 6 minutes in a classical pianist takes over. Worth fast forwarding for. Sounds pretty good to me…
“…Roland has taken the approach with their FP line of digital pianos of going all out with the quality of their keybeds and the quality of their sounds. The Roland FP-10, Roland FP-30x (which is $300 more than the FP-10)and Roland FP-60x (which is more than twice the price of the FP-10) all share Roland’s well known PHA-4 action. This is a TRIPLE sensor action – most . . . (well ALL that I am aware of) competitors in the price range of the FP-10 will only have dual sensors), so it is a VERY realistic playing feel when compared to an acoustic piano. It has 88 fully weighted, graded hammer action keys and the keys are individually weighted, which results in a more accurate playing experience that in most entry level digital pianos, where the keys are often weighted in groups instead of individually. The PHA-4 action also has escapement, which mimics the feel of the hammer leaving the string on an acoustic piano (this is a very rare if not non-existent feature in the competition at this price point). And Roland didn’t stop there; they also included simulated ebony & ivory keytops which really help a lot in preventing your fingers from slipping (which can be an issue with the shiny, smooth “plasticky” keys found on most entry->intermediate level digital pianos).” - https://pianotone.ca/roland-fp10-review/#:~:text=Piano Designer app from Roland,closed grand piano lid etc.
The app inter alia, adds another 20 voices you can use, and, according to this reviewer, you can also use the separate Piano Designer app, even though the FP10 is not officially supported by it, to tweak still further:
“Piano Designer app from Roland: officially the FP-10 is NOT compatible with this app, BUT it does seem to work – allows you to modify piano voices for things like string and damper resonance, open and closed grand piano lid etc.”
In this kind of video, a 100MB soundfont in BS16i could sound better…
If it was this easy, no piano plugins ever should be sold…
But, Pianoteq and a few other plugins are highly superior to this, especially when it come to nuance and customization…
Well, I’m sure you are right, and I sincerely hope you are, considering the price. Incidently, as the guy in the review notes above, although not officially supported, you can apparently use the Roland Piano Designer app to tweak a lot of the under the hood settings on the FP10 if you want to. And the regular app adds a further 20 or so instrument sounds to the ten permanently on board.
My only point as a complete keyboard playing noob is that to get a whole actual physical keyboard which by all accounts comes pretty close on feel to the real thing, can just turn on and play, on its own speakers or headphones, no faffing with DAWs required, and which sounds pretty cool too to my aged ears, for not much more than the cost of the bottom end of the Pianoteq software suite, and for markedly less than the cost of the whole of it, still strikes me as a very good deal on its own account.
Not to mention if it turns out I’m horribly wrong, I’ve still got a pretty solid controller keyboard for the Pianoteq. In the unlikely event that I ever get enough keyboard skill for it to make a difference to me, that is…
I'm no great keyboard player either - so u would do well to try pianoteq with a touchscreen controller like Xequence AU Keys, set up with velocity sensitivity on the y axis and which you can quantise to various scales etc. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how decent it can sound as long as you have an OK sense of rhythm and have taste - the latter you definitely have.
Remember that the free version of Pianoteq gives you A LOT. Many will be happy to just use the free version and not mind too much about missing a few notes from the higher and lower registers.
If you don't want to learn traditional keyboard playing, a physical piano with weighted keys would likely be a waste of money. Plus, with Xequence you can just play on your ipad in bed instead of faffing about with a heavy keyboard.
So, forget about the cost of Pianoteq. Just check out the free version with whatever virtual or hardware keyboard you have to hand. Xequence AU Keys is also nice tho as you can easily add a sustain slider to the side - if you bought that Roland keyboard btw, and wanted a good piano experience, you would pay a lot for a continuous sustain pedal rather than the typical ones which are just on / off. Given what I know about your taste, you would very much like the control over sustain that the Xequence Keys + pianoteq combo can give you. Again, no need to spend a penny on pianoteq if you don't want to. Free version is ridiculously generous.
I don’t think we will come any further in this camparison between Roland FP10 and Pianoteq with choosen controller…
But, you mention “fiddle with a DAW” - that’s not the case - just run Pianoteq standalone on your iPhone or iPad - plug’n’play…
Have a nice day!
Today I went my Pianoteq 8 from Stage to Standard - been thinking of this for a long time…
The instrument I choose was Yamaha YC5 Grand - wow! Missed that this piano it’s the best in Pianoteq, so wonderful…
So, now Petrof is just no two for me…
Also nice to have more control over the instruments, especially on Classic Guitar…
Yeah I imagine you’d have to pay quite a bit of money to get a piano as good as Pianoteq in hardware form. Also a lot of people went portability. Having that kind of quality on my iPad is kind of insane to me. Even having it on a MacBook is way more convenient than lugging a heavy thing like that around. Plus the interface to connect it. And then routing the audio, etc.
I haven’t bought an actual piano in Pianoteq yet, though I’m planning on doing it sometime in the next few weeks, but once I do I doubt I’ll really be using any other pianos besides, like you said, Pure Piano for its uniqueness. Surprisingly one of the best sounding pianos outside of Pianoteq is in the free Numa Player app, imo. To me it sounds better than PP, PSP2, and the pianos in the standard Module unlock. It’s been my go to piano up to now.
Yeah, Pianoteq is fantastic and lovely!
My two last instruments Classic Guitar and YC5 Grand Piano, is unbelievable good sounding, a real joy to play!
I have that exact piano, Roland FP-10. Keybed is PHA-4, same as Roland puts in quite a few low- and mid-range DP's, including some that cost upwards of $1,000. It has quite a good piano-like feel, but is slightly sluggish. I enjoy playing it, but the internal piano sounds are nothing special.
Comparing cost of Pianoteq to cost of the FP-10 doesn't really make sense, though. Pianoteq is actually lower cost than many other good-quality desktop piano virtual instruments. If you want one of the good ones, you generally end up paying several hundred dollars, or more. No need to pay that much with Pianoteq, which provides lots of presets and tweakability even with least expensive version. Buy more instruments if you want, but not needed.
Reminds me of the pointlessness of comparisons of some open source desktop synthesizers, e.g., Surge XT and Vital, pointing out that they are free and every bit as good as many commercial desktop synths. Yet there's still a lively market for commercial synths. If you're on a budget you can get by, and get by very well, for free. If you have some money to spend you can buy a commercial desktop synth, which may not be objectively better than Surge XT or Vital, but which provides you with a different experience.
Apples and oranges.
I would also say that if you're iOS/iPadOS only (no desktop) it might not make good financial sense to buy Pianoteq over one of the other good but much cheaper pianos like Ravenscroft, Pure Piano, etc. Of course, if you want Pianoteq and you're not put off by the price, go for it. It won't necessarily sound better, but you can tweak it in many more ways and it feels more responsive, nicer to play.
I went with the guitar and Hohner colllection as I’ve wanted a high quality Pianet for so long. But im saving now to get the standard upgrade next, along with a piano. Im tempted by the YC as I really want a nice Steely Dan type tone and I feel like the Yamaha covers that perfectly, but I’m also partial to the Blüthner for some reason.
I’m not a piano player so I just go by my ears, I’m not sure what the “best” is, though they honestly all sound great.
I’m not buying another 88-key fully weighted keyboard until I can get a 6-inch per octave one. Once I stumbled upon Pianists for Alternatively Sized Keyboards and realized that the pain I’ve always felt wasn’t because I needed to practice more but because so-called “full size” keys are suboptimal for half the population and that I’m among that half…
That said, being able to have a great sounding piano taking up so little storage on my iPad was easily worth Pianoteq’s price to me. It’ll get much more use than a hardware digital piano would.