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I'd be most interested in how it shapes the tone, yes, cheers! Any observations welcome!
Here comes the age old half-pedaling question again…
The documentation details that half-pedaling is supported with the correct hardware. That being said, has anyone been able to verify this feature on iPadOS? If so, what is your hardware inventory/configuration making it all happen?
I have an FC4A but I’m eyeing the continuously variable Yamaha FC3A. I’m just not sure if the FC3A has to be used with a supporting Yamaha keyboard in order to deliver the control needed for half-pedaling. I have M-Audio, Nektar and Alesia brands for midi keyboards… any thoughts?
Yes, half-pedaling is supported in Pianoteq on iOS/iPadOS. You need to ensure that whatever pedal you're using supports sending the proper midi messages for it, which is generally one that's called "continuous" or that supports "half pedaling" or "half damper". There are some incompatibilities between pedals and keyboards, specifically when they have mismatched polarity, which is the case, e.g., between Roland and Yamaha devices. In this case you can fix things if your pedal has a polarity switch (which I don't believe FC3-A has) or in some cases if keyboard supports switching polarity (or can be fooled into it by turning the keyboard on while pedal is fully depressed).
If you're using a VST on a computer you don't even necessarily need to run your pedal through a keyboard at all. The keyboard really serves merely as a method to convert the pedal's analog signal into midi messages. You can accomplish this without a keyboard by using a device like Audiofront's USB-Midi pedal interfaces. You can plug these directly into a usb port on your computer (while your keyboard is plugged into a separate usb port, or using 5-pin midi, or bluetooth midi).
https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php
There are a couple other similar devices, I think. One I have that works well is by Tecontrol: https://www.tecontrol.se/products/usb-midi-pedal-controller
Alternatively, if you have multiple keyboards and not all of them support a continuous pedal, you can hook the pedal up to one of your keyboards that does support it, but play the keys of a different keyboard. In this case, the keyboard with the pedal plugged into it is serving merely as an interface to get midi from the pedal. Plug both keyboards into your computer and route the midi as desired, doesn't matter which keyboard the midi is being sent from (or that the only messages coming from one keyboard are for the sustain pedal).
I use a Roland DP-10 which does half-pedalling in Pianoteq.
It’s plugged into a Studiologic SL73.
This doesn't answer your question, exactly, but it is worth a mention that you can use a midi slider to control sustain. In the case of sustain, that's really far more increments than you'll ever need. But... How do you control a slider if you're already using 2 hands to play? One way is to send a midi lfo to control sustain. Of course this will not give you the fine control that an actual continuous sustain pedal played with your foot will do, but for many purposes it is more than enough, and much better than just having a binary on/off sustain, like many keyboards have. Depending on your piece, this might work: set a ramp lfo to control sustain and set the ramp time and minimum and max cc value to your taste. I did that on this Pianoteq piece, using the midiLFOs app to control sustain while I played notes with 2 hands on Xequence AU Keys
Quick question: anyone figured out how to adjust the Q on the EQ in pianoteq? I can't find any way to do it by touch.
The manual says:
Pressing the ’shift’ key while dragging will change the Q factor of each band.
I think they maybe forgot to implement a gesture for this on ipad
Gav, where do you mean in the UI?
On the equalizer or under the slider Q?
Both of them works for me with touch…
In the manual section 4.5.5 on 'Hidden Shortcuts' it says, "Holding the Shift key while moving a control point on a curve allows fine adjustment, not available on touch devices," So it appears they didn't forget. Maybe haven't decided whether or how to implement it. Or maybe the granularity you get with touch is already equivalent to what you get with 'Shift' on keyboard interface.
Ah, well, there is definitely no way to increase or decrease Q on the iPad that I can see, that's a bit of a pity. I've messaged them.
@ErrkaPetti I mean the EQ that is included among possible fx in the fx section.
Being able to adjust Q on an eq is necessary, even on a touch device lol. I'm sure they'll manage it, seem like great responsive devs
OK adding Acoustic Voice was way more fun than I anticipated. I didn’t really get along with it when I tried it to improve the piezo sound of my dreadnought. But with the Pianoteq guitar the results do sound a lot like steel strings to my ears. Didn’t mess with it in depth, but I think it’s a valuable combination.
I used it in piezo mode.
Ah, I see what you mean, didn't realize Q was adjustable on desktop. So 'shift' doesn't provide any additional granularity; it outright changes what's affected, so it's Q rather than freq/gain. Interesting that each equalizer preset has its own appropriate selection of Q factors. I do suspect they would plan on somehow providing ability to change Q, but interesting that as it stands each preset seems to be a differently configured semi-parametric or quasi-parametric equalizer, per the definitions on Presonus' page: https://legacy.presonus.com/learn/technical-articles/What-Is-a-Parametric-Eq
To clarify this is the Nembrini app correct? I might have to buy it if that’s the case. Thanks for being the crash tester 😂
Yes some of the EQ fx presets have high Q and you Can drag those Q points. So it's clearly no kind of technical impossibility that you can't start from a flat eq and drag the Q points on that!
Yes, Nembrini Acoustic Voice Preamp. There is a trial for the desktop version, I used that one.
Interesting! The Pianoteq guitar does already have some electrified presets and so on. An amp is one of the fx, albeit there aren't many choices.
Still don’t get it?
I doesn’t see any differences in the EQ between desktop and iPad/iPhone.
And, can’t see any area in Pianoteq on iPad that can’t be moved…
What do I miss here?
I’m on Standard version nowadays…
The Nembrini Acoustic Voice has excellent FX benefits to turn a mono input into a guitar placed in a nice space using IR effects and significant tone shaping tools they perfected to model tube amps.
If it’s on sale… jump on it as useful tone and placement shaper. It manages a large mastering process for guitars and probably E-pianos that had good tube amps in their tones.
Go to the EQ fx. Pick the flat eq. Move one of the 3 dots upwards. Note how the dB amount changes but you can't change the Q. That means you can't manually narrow or widen the frequency spectrum which gets effected there. Q always stays at 1. Should not be like that. Every resonant filter needs adjustable Q. The manual - quoted above - clearly shows that Q is adjustable on desktop by pressing shift while you drag the dot. So this is for sure a missing feature on ipad.
Thanks. I don’t have desktop but glad to now it works well together.
Is it on sale currently? I dunno the original price to be able to tell.
But if you tap on the « dot », then a window appears allowing to enter numerical values with the keyboard for frequency, Q and gain. Can you confirm ?
Keyboard pops up but blocks the box so you can't actually see text as you enter it. Works slightly better with an external keyboard. It shouldn't need keyboard input though, it should all be possible by touch
I have verified by changing Q on desktop version. What you say is true, unless you were implying that you should be able to change Q by moving the dot. Position of the dot has nothing to do with Q, which is why current drag situation on iOS doesn't affect Q. Changing Q does not affect dot position at all; it changes only how the response line curves around the dot.
Sure - that's as it should be
You're too fast for me, answered before I changed, wasn't sure what you were saying . . .
Yeah! As with fabfilter or toneboosters apps for example, which also have a visualiser for the EQ, changing the dot position and changing Q bandwidth are two different things. As Paulo said, you can do it with the keyboard but that does not work very nicely and should not be necessary. There is currently no gesture for iOS that does what shift + drag does on desktop. It's definitely something missing in the Pianoteq ios app but, like I said, I'm pretty sure they'll fix it.
“is it on sale?”
I had to look and it’s…
Sweet. Half off! Might have to grab it tonight though I was planning on the new 4Pockets app too and with the new TB app coming out…hmm.
The box is not blocked on my iPad Pro 12,9" but may be probably so on other devices.
Not being able to pinch/zoom to change the Q factor makes it the most painful and time wasting operation in this app and something I mentioned weeks ago 😉 So, welcome to the club ! 👍