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Pianoteq 8 is now on the AppStore

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  • @Gavinski said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Being able to adjust Q on an eq is necessary, even on a touch device lol. I'm sure they'll manage it, seem like great responsive devs

    Still don’t get it?

    I doesn’t see any differences in the EQ between desktop and iPad/iPhone.
    And, can’t see any area in Pianoteq on iPad that can’t be moved…

    What do I miss here?

    I’m on Standard version nowadays…

    Go to the EQ fx. Pick the flat eq. Move one of the 3 dots upwards. Note how the dB amount changes but you can't change the Q. That means you can't manually narrow or widen the frequency spectrum which gets effected there. Q always stays at 1. Should not be like that. Every resonant filter needs adjustable Q. The manual - quoted above - clearly shows that Q is adjustable on desktop by pressing shift while you drag the dot. So this is for sure a missing feature on ipad.

    Oooops!
    Maybe a little tired for the moment (unconcentrated) - I misunderstood which Equalizer you meant in this topic…
    Pretty strange that’s two different Equalizers in the app - I was talking about head Equalizer and you was talking about EQ3, the presets Equalizer…

    Perhaps we get an update on this - maybe a second finger on the screen replace the Shift key..

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Being able to adjust Q on an eq is necessary, even on a touch device lol. I'm sure they'll manage it, seem like great responsive devs

    Still don’t get it?

    I doesn’t see any differences in the EQ between desktop and iPad/iPhone.
    And, can’t see any area in Pianoteq on iPad that can’t be moved…

    What do I miss here?

    I’m on Standard version nowadays…

    Go to the EQ fx. Pick the flat eq. Move one of the 3 dots upwards. Note how the dB amount changes but you can't change the Q. That means you can't manually narrow or widen the frequency spectrum which gets effected there. Q always stays at 1. Should not be like that. Every resonant filter needs adjustable Q. The manual - quoted above - clearly shows that Q is adjustable on desktop by pressing shift while you drag the dot. So this is for sure a missing feature on ipad.

    Oooops!
    Maybe a little tired for the moment (unconcentrated) - I misunderstood which Equalizer you meant in this topic…
    Pretty strange that’s two different Equalizers in the app - I was talking about head Equalizer and you was talking about EQ3, the presets Equalizer…

    Perhaps we get an update on this - maybe a second finger on the screen replace the Shift key..

    I think a long press to adjust Q would work well, and very easy to implement

  • @GrnEgz_N_Hm said:
    Here comes the age old half-pedaling question again…

    @hes said:

    Yes, half-pedaling is supported in Pianoteq on iOS/iPadOS. You need to ensure that whatever pedal you're using supports sending the proper midi messages for it, which is generally one that's called "continuous" or that supports "half pedaling" or "half damper". There are some incompatibilities between pedals and keyboards, specifically when they have mismatched polarity, which is the case, e.g., between Roland and Yamaha devices. In this case you can fix things if your pedal has a polarity switch (which I don't believe FC3-A has) or in some cases if keyboard supports switching polarity (or can be fooled into it by turning the keyboard on while pedal is fully depressed).

    If you're using a VST on a computer you don't even necessarily need to run your pedal through a keyboard at all. The keyboard really serves merely as a method to convert the pedal's analog signal into midi messages. You can accomplish this without a keyboard by using a device like Audiofront's USB-Midi pedal interfaces. You can plug these directly into a usb port on your computer (while your keyboard is plugged into a separate usb port, or using 5-pin midi, or bluetooth midi).
    https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php
    There are a couple other similar devices, I think. One I have that works well is by Tecontrol: https://www.tecontrol.se/products/usb-midi-pedal-controller

    Alternatively, if you have multiple keyboards and not all of them support a continuous pedal, you can hook the pedal up to one of your keyboards that does support it, but play the keys of a different keyboard. In this case, the keyboard with the pedal plugged into it is serving merely as an interface to get midi from the pedal. Plug both keyboards into your computer and route the midi as desired, doesn't matter which keyboard the midi is being sent from (or that the only messages coming from one keyboard are for the sustain pedal).

    @TimRussell said:

    I use a Roland DP-10 which does half-pedalling in Pianoteq.
    It’s plugged into a Studiologic SL73.

    @hes and @TimRussell
    Thank you both. Very helpful 🙏

  • edited June 2023

    Have you, not reading the manual to Pianoteq, notice there’s several pianos that has more than 88 keys?

    Steinberg Model D has 105 keys as an example for a wider key spectrum…
    Doesn’t sounds that good in the highs, but the one octave lower bass is interesting…

    The more I use Pianoteq 8 on my iPad, the more I love it and realize how fuckin’ unbelievable this is, having it both on iPad and iPhone.
    The sound is extraordinary and brilliant, a joy to play…

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Have you, not reading the manual to Pianoteq, notice there’s several pianos that has more than 88 keys?

    Steinberg Model D has 105 keys as an example for a wider key spectrum…
    Doesn’t sounds that good in the highs, but the one octave lower bass is interesting…

    The more I use Pianoteq 8 on my iPad, the more I love it and realize how fuckin’ unbelievable this is, having it both on iPad and iPhone.
    The sound is extraordinary and brilliant, a joy to play…

    Yep it’s become a top 5 app ever for me and quality wise the best we have on iOS, imo.

  • edited June 2023

    I am trying to assign more than one FX parameter (reverb mix, duration and room size) to an expression pedal but it seems I can only asssign 1 parameter.

    Also, I would like to switch individual FX on and off using MIDI but this doesn’t appear to be assignable.

    Anyone know if either of these things is possible?

  • @TimRussell said:
    I am trying to assign more than one FX parameter (reverb mix, duration and room size) to an expression pedal but it seems I can only asssign 1 parameter.

    Also, I would like to switch individual FX on and off using MIDI but this doesn’t appear to be assignable.

    Anyone know if either of these things is possible?

    Isn’t that easy to just add this pedal several times in the settings - respectively make difference thing with the pedal?

  • Btw @Gavinski i finally caved and got the Nembrini Acoustic Preamp app and it definitely works well with the Pianoteq guitar. It really does make it sound pretty close to a steel string. And being able to adjust mic position and type is a real treat. It’s subtle but there. And as a whole package it’s totally worth picking up while the sale is happening.

  • Ah thanks! Damn it's been a bit of an expensive week, especially after purchasing MagicVerb, I also paid for Combustor and bought VAPoly! VAPoly sounds great by the way. Very boring looking interface but at the sale price well worth grabbing. But that Nembrini is tempting. > @HotStrange said:

    Btw @Gavinski i finally caved and got the Nembrini Acoustic Preamp app and it definitely works well with the Pianoteq guitar. It really does make it sound pretty close to a steel string. And being able to adjust mic position and type is a real treat. It’s subtle but there. And as a whole package it’s totally worth picking up while the sale is happening.

  • @Gavinski said:
    Ah thanks! Damn it's been a bit of an expensive week, especially after purchasing MagicVerb, I also paid for Combustor and bought VAPoly! VAPoly sounds great by the way. Very boring looking interface but at the sale price well worth grabbing. But that Nembrini is tempting. > @HotStrange said:

    Btw @Gavinski i finally caved and got the Nembrini Acoustic Preamp app and it definitely works well with the Pianoteq guitar. It really does make it sound pretty close to a steel string. And being able to adjust mic position and type is a real treat. It’s subtle but there. And as a whole package it’s totally worth picking up while the sale is happening.

    I love VAPoly sound wise but the interface is far from my favorite and keeps me from using it occasionally. It just sounds so good that I have to keep it. One of the more “analog” sounding synths we have on iOS I think. I bought the channel strip during the sale and that was the last app from Ryo I didn’t have.

    I think the Nembrini app is normal $14.99 maybe? I can’t remember. But it’s definitely worth considering. I was pleasantly surprised.

  • Okay, just to let you know that after weeks of intensive trial, model tweak and so on, I finally made up my mind and chose the DG Bechstein and Petrof instrument packs.

    The DG Bechstein has gorgeous basses and very distinctive and crystal sounding treebles like no other grand models.
    I like very much the cleanliness of the Petrof Mistral although I am much less fan of the Ant. Petrof.

    So here it is.

    Blüthner Model One was also a good surprise in the end but required too much tweaking to be on par (needed 2 EQ3 FX).

    If I had to take another grand pack, I would go with the Steinway D because of the sound quality of course but also the presence of a very nice preset hybrided with the vibraphone (ie. You get somehow 1 instrument for free).

    This is of course regarding only grand piano packs. I intend to buy also non piano packs because they all are of top quality.

  • @Paulo164 said:
    Okay, just to let you know that after weeks of intensive trial, model tweak and so on, I finally made up my mind and chose the DG Bechstein and Petrof instrument packs.

    The DG Bechstein has gorgeous basses and very distinctive and crystal sounding treebles like no other grand models.
    I like very much the cleanliness of the Petrof Mistral although I am much less fan of the Ant. Petrof.

    So here it is.

    Blüthner Model One was also a good surprise in the end but required too much tweaking to be on par (needed 2 EQ3 FX).

    If I had to take another grand pack, I would go with the Steinway D because of the sound quality of course but also the presence of a very nice preset hybrided with the vibraphone (ie. You get somehow 1 instrument for free).

    This is of course regarding only grand piano packs. I intend to buy also non piano packs because they all are of top quality.

    I personally really love the Blüthner but the 2 you chose rounded out my top 3.

    I ended up getting the Classical Guitar and Hohner packs as I reaaaally wanted a Pianet. I just love the sound of those. I’m using Just Piano from GSI for my piano sounds right now and it’s perfectly serviceable for anyone on a budget, and imo, not far off from Pianoteq. Not quite as realistic but close and sounds a bit more pleasing to my ears. Can’t deny how amazing Pianoteq is though. All instruments sound amazing and the included free ones are also very very good.

  • I hate how good Pianoteq sounds. I don't want to spend so much on it.

    I've tested it vs a lot of other things, and on iOS, IMO, it doesn't have any competition. It floors everything else for realism and feel, which is absurd considering its a modeler and I'm comparing it with samples of actual pianos.

    On PC, it's got some competition - I really love NI's Noire and Grandeur but I think Pianoteq edges them out, even on the sound front, for pure piano sounds. Noire is more versatile and 'inspiring'. But when you think about CPU use, RAM etc.. well Pianoteq is incredibly light and anything that uses samples, isn't as light. lol. So it wins anyway - depending on what you're wanting to do with it.

    I think I'll have to fork out the cash in the next few months. I really don't want to, but knowing the licence covers PC + iOS is a bit of a sweetener.

  • @greatestlengths said:
    I hate how good Pianoteq sounds. I don't want to spend so much on it.

    I've tested it vs a lot of other things, and on iOS, IMO, it doesn't have any competition. It floors everything else for realism and feel, which is absurd considering its a modeler and I'm comparing it with samples of actual pianos.

    On PC, it's got some competition - I really love NI's Noire and Grandeur but I think Pianoteq edges them out, even on the sound front, for pure piano sounds. Noire is more versatile and 'inspiring'. But when you think about CPU use, RAM etc.. well Pianoteq is incredibly light and anything that uses samples, isn't as light. lol. So it wins anyway - depending on what you're wanting to do with it.

    I think I'll have to fork out the cash in the next few months. I really don't want to, but knowing the licence covers PC + iOS is a bit of a sweetener.

    Tell me about it, I spent a small fortune upgrading to studio pro, but it is worth it. Also, don't forget you might be able to contact them directly and ask for a studio standard bundle, which would give you all the instruments but just the standard version instead of stage. I love having them all. This is likely app of the year for me

  • I don’t think Pianoteq is perfect in terms of sound, but it has got better with every version. Hopefully it will continue to do that and will get closer and closer to sounding like the real thing.

  • @michael_m said:
    I don’t think Pianoteq is perfect in terms of sound, but it has got better with every version. Hopefully it will continue to do that and will get closer and closer to sounding like the real thing.

    FYI, it already sounding like the real thing!

  • @Gavinski said:

    @greatestlengths said:
    I hate how good Pianoteq sounds. I don't want to spend so much on it.

    I've tested it vs a lot of other things, and on iOS, IMO, it doesn't have any competition. It floors everything else for realism and feel, which is absurd considering its a modeler and I'm comparing it with samples of actual pianos.

    On PC, it's got some competition - I really love NI's Noire and Grandeur but I think Pianoteq edges them out, even on the sound front, for pure piano sounds. Noire is more versatile and 'inspiring'. But when you think about CPU use, RAM etc.. well Pianoteq is incredibly light and anything that uses samples, isn't as light. lol. So it wins anyway - depending on what you're wanting to do with it.

    I think I'll have to fork out the cash in the next few months. I really don't want to, but knowing the licence covers PC + iOS is a bit of a sweetener.

    Tell me about it, I spent a small fortune upgrading to studio pro, but it is worth it. Also, don't forget you might be able to contact them directly and ask for a studio standard bundle, which would give you all the instruments but just the standard version instead of stage. I love having them all. This is likely app of the year for me

    No, it’s not app of the year, that’s Logic Pro!
    But, Pianoteq v8 is by margin number two…

  • I also think the Bechstein is the overall best sounding of the bunch, and that Pianoteq itself is worth every penny.

    However, my one gripe is that the felt pianos leave a lot to be desired. They all sorta sound like a harp in the upper mids. They don’t have that gentle, crispy attack that the real ones have.

  • @Gavinski said: Also, don't forget you might be able to contact them directly and ask for a studio standard bundle, which would give you all the instruments but just the standard version instead of stage. I love having them all.

    I didn’t see any information about this. Any idea of the price?

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @michael_m said:
    I don’t think Pianoteq is perfect in terms of sound, but it has got better with every version. Hopefully it will continue to do that and will get closer and closer to sounding like the real thing.

    FYI, it already sounding like the real thing!

    Well yes and no. It’s close, but it doesn’t quite get there, particularly when compared to the real thing or a well sampled piano. I can sit next to my Yamaha digital piano and play one followed by the other, and the Yamaha shines in comparison.

    No real big issues with Pianoteq, but I can see room for improvement still.

  • edited July 2023

    i love to see modartt make a drum kit. Could be a gamechanger when midi 2.0 comes out with like 15 thousand velocity step value.

  • @michael_m said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @michael_m said:
    I don’t think Pianoteq is perfect in terms of sound, but it has got better with every version. Hopefully it will continue to do that and will get closer and closer to sounding like the real thing.

    FYI, it already sounding like the real thing!

    Well yes and no. It’s close, but it doesn’t quite get there, particularly when compared to the real thing or a well sampled piano. I can sit next to my Yamaha digital piano and play one followed by the other, and the Yamaha shines in comparison.

    No real big issues with Pianoteq, but I can see room for improvement still.

    We all have our different opinions, pretty obvious…

    One thing when comparing a “real” digital piano (like yours Yamaha) with Pianoteq v8 is the sound system differ between the two pianos, Yamaha vs Pianoteq - how do you use Pianoteq, with headphones or external speaker system?

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @michael_m said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @michael_m said:
    I don’t think Pianoteq is perfect in terms of sound, but it has got better with every version. Hopefully it will continue to do that and will get closer and closer to sounding like the real thing.

    FYI, it already sounding like the real thing!

    Well yes and no. It’s close, but it doesn’t quite get there, particularly when compared to the real thing or a well sampled piano. I can sit next to my Yamaha digital piano and play one followed by the other, and the Yamaha shines in comparison.

    No real big issues with Pianoteq, but I can see room for improvement still.

    We all have our different opinions, pretty obvious…

    One thing when comparing a “real” digital piano (like yours Yamaha) with Pianoteq v8 is the sound system differ between the two pianos, Yamaha vs Pianoteq - how do you use Pianoteq, with headphones or external speaker system?

    Yamaha through its own speakers, and Pianoteq through studio monitors. It’s not really the reproduction of the sound where I hear the difference, it’s more in the authenticity of the sound - the Yamaha just feels more like playing an acoustic piano.

  • @michael_m said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @michael_m said:
    I don’t think Pianoteq is perfect in terms of sound, but it has got better with every version. Hopefully it will continue to do that and will get closer and closer to sounding like the real thing.

    FYI, it already sounding like the real thing!

    Well yes and no. It’s close, but it doesn’t quite get there, particularly when compared to the real thing or a well sampled piano. I can sit next to my Yamaha digital piano and play one followed by the other, and the Yamaha shines in comparison.

    No real big issues with Pianoteq, but I can see room for improvement still.

    Not really a comparison then for most of us who are not going for the sound of a Yamaha digital piano.

    Beg to differ.
    Blind test pianoteq and libraries and lets find out

  • @Bruques said:

    @michael_m said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @michael_m said:
    I don’t think Pianoteq is perfect in terms of sound, but it has got better with every version. Hopefully it will continue to do that and will get closer and closer to sounding like the real thing.

    FYI, it already sounding like the real thing!

    Well yes and no. It’s close, but it doesn’t quite get there, particularly when compared to the real thing or a well sampled piano. I can sit next to my Yamaha digital piano and play one followed by the other, and the Yamaha shines in comparison.

    No real big issues with Pianoteq, but I can see room for improvement still.

    Not really a comparison then for most of us who are not going for the sound of a Yamaha digital piano.

    Beg to differ.
    Blind test pianoteq and libraries and lets find out

    Agree there…

    I have hard to believe any bigger improvment of Pianoteq - after 17 years of development it’s already a jewel, a piece of worldclass software!

  • One persons blind test of 10 candidates.

    We can all claim an opinion but we're not even accurate in our own opinions. It's been many times shown if you believe something then you will hear it as such, EG you turned down the bass and now its better only to find later you turned the wrong knob, thus, if it's not born out in a (double) blind test, it doesn't mean much

  • As an aside, I just got back from Herbie Hancock gig just an hour ago, where he was as usual playing a Fazioli (a 308?), which reminded me, Pianoteq still doesn't have a Fazioli model,, nevertheless, this person has made some extremely passable sounding "Fazioli"
    fxp presets https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=7163. A reminder then, community FXPs can also be remarkable!
    Enjoy!

  • @Bruques said:
    One persons blind test of 10 candidates.

    We can all claim an opinion but we're not even accurate in our own opinions. It's been many times shown if you believe something then you will hear it as such, EG you turned down the bass and now its better only to find later you turned the wrong knob, thus, if it's not born out in a (double) blind test, it doesn't mean much

    Yes... Similar to placebo effect in medicine. And I imagine the more you spend the more biased you are, which research has shown to be true of placebo in medicine. The more white coats, the fancier the machines and hospital, the better the results, eben if just a sugar pill was given.

    (ps: yes I would also say this makes me a bit biased in favour of pianoteq, as the Studio Pro upgrade, even though I got it at a discount, was easily the most I've spent on an app, ever

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @greatestlengths said:
    I hate how good Pianoteq sounds. I don't want to spend so much on it.

    I've tested it vs a lot of other things, and on iOS, IMO, it doesn't have any competition. It floors everything else for realism and feel, which is absurd considering its a modeler and I'm comparing it with samples of actual pianos.

    On PC, it's got some competition - I really love NI's Noire and Grandeur but I think Pianoteq edges them out, even on the sound front, for pure piano sounds. Noire is more versatile and 'inspiring'. But when you think about CPU use, RAM etc.. well Pianoteq is incredibly light and anything that uses samples, isn't as light. lol. So it wins anyway - depending on what you're wanting to do with it.

    I think I'll have to fork out the cash in the next few months. I really don't want to, but knowing the licence covers PC + iOS is a bit of a sweetener.

    Tell me about it, I spent a small fortune upgrading to studio pro, but it is worth it. Also, don't forget you might be able to contact them directly and ask for a studio standard bundle, which would give you all the instruments but just the standard version instead of stage. I love having them all. This is likely app of the year for me

    No, it’s not app of the year, that’s Logic Pro!
    But, Pianoteq v8 is by margin number two…

    For me personally, Pianoteq is app of the year but Logic Pro is up there too!

  • @HotStrange said:
    For me personally, Pianoteq is app of the year but Logic Pro is up there too!

    It’s a shame that it’s so expensive to get at the controls. It’s truly amazing what’s possible with morphing and layering. I hope the usual FX makers go deep into modeling and expose all the controls. I also hope piano tech just keeps adding more instruments overtime and not just more pianos.

    I’m sure @gavinski can agree that being able to tweak the envelope and all the physical aspects of the instrument including hammer hardness, length of strings, harmonic overtone volumes. Their model is just incredible and having a hundred unique instruments in less that 66MB. The latency benefits are also important compared to sampled instruments.

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