Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

el_bo

@0tolerance4silence said:

@el_bo said:

@sevenape said:

@NeuM said:

@sevenape said:

@tahiche said:
Wow. Big news. I’m gonna read through this whole thread with interest, but by the looks of it everyone seems to be excited about Logic on iPad.
I’m the grinch here. I’m afraid about how it’s going to change the whole iOS app ecosystem, and I don’t think it’s going to be in a good way. As much as I’ve been wanting a “proper” daw on iOS I believe this is going to do more harm than good. Hope I’m wrong.

I feel you. I'm worried that what makes ios special might be lost a bit

Having said that congrats to everyone who wanted it!

Personally, I think it makes the iPad experience even more special. And you can still use every synth and plugin you’ve acquired over years.

well that's very true about the plugins! I hope ou are right and iOS becomes more than a curiosity for most musicians!

The pool is about to become a lot more crowded. And all those newbies will lose their ship when they see the price of AU FX, Synths etc. I don't see any reason why things as we know them will change for the negative. Quite the opposite, I believe.
I'm just counting down the days till the headphone jacks return

IMO quite premature...
It wasn’t the price that brought most users to iOS and it wasn’t the lack of tools that kept the ship at bay.
Sure, things will change... but talking about Richter 10 is a joke... not surprised though... we can get excited to the same extent for an unknown app... and forget about it completely in a week

Not "Richter 10". And I did say that it is my belief, so think nothing more of it.

As for the "we" getting excited. I'm not really sure how representative of the complete iOS picture we are, but I'm not sure the fate of this will be decided so easily.

Grandbear

I wonder "roundtrip compatibility" actually implies feature parity, the iPad version could have limited editing capabilities. No sense in speculating more for me though, I'll just give the trial a go in a couple of weeks.

mikewb

@mjm1138 said:

@el_bo said:

@mjm1138 said:

@el_bo said:

@mjm1138 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
I have always been a Cubasis and Ableton Live guy. Never really work with LP. Why LP it's so fantastic? If you had to give me the 3 best reasons I must subscribe to LP, what would they be?

The built-in instruments and effects are great, and the value-for-money (on desktop at least) is unbeatable. Now that LP has Live Loops you can have an Ableton Live-like workflow (albeit with a very different UI if you are accustomed to Live) but it's still a top-level timeline-based DAW. And as of May 23, it will represent the strongest unified workflow story for anyone who owns both a Mac and an iPad.

Not just Live Loops. The sequencer (Assuming it's the same as Logic) is really powerful:

https://www.youtube.com/@MusicTechHelpGuy/search?query=step sequencer

It certainly looks that way from the screenshots and movies on apple.com, at least for the drum sequencer. Very much hoping the step sequencer makes an appearance too.

It is there, from what I can see. Just not sure it's going to be as powerful, with regard to all the automation possibilities etc. Would be good if true

They're implying that you can seamlessly move between Mac and iPad with your LP projects, so it kind of has to be functionally equivalent. Of course that "round trip" workflow relies a lot on having the same plug-ins and effects on both platforms, so I expect the reality will be more limited for most of us.

I would assume that there will have to be an auto freeze track when moving back and forth due to the difference in plugins between the two environments. I'm still not sure if it is a one to one port. There is a crazy amount of menu items and deep diving that can be done in logic not sure how it would translate. Even so it looks absolutely amazing based on the features highlighted in the announcement. I'm really excited by an updated SAMPLR!

el_bo

@mjm1138 said:

@el_bo said:

@mjm1138 said:

@el_bo said:

@mjm1138 said:

@Montreal_Music said:
I have always been a Cubasis and Ableton Live guy. Never really work with LP. Why LP it's so fantastic? If you had to give me the 3 best reasons I must subscribe to LP, what would they be?

The built-in instruments and effects are great, and the value-for-money (on desktop at least) is unbeatable. Now that LP has Live Loops you can have an Ableton Live-like workflow (albeit with a very different UI if you are accustomed to Live) but it's still a top-level timeline-based DAW. And as of May 23, it will represent the strongest unified workflow story for anyone who owns both a Mac and an iPad.

Not just Live Loops. The sequencer (Assuming it's the same as Logic) is really powerful:

https://www.youtube.com/@MusicTechHelpGuy/search?query=step sequencer

It certainly looks that way from the screenshots and movies on apple.com, at least for the drum sequencer. Very much hoping the step sequencer makes an appearance too.

It is there, from what I can see. Just not sure it's going to be as powerful, with regard to all the automation possibilities etc. Would be good if true

They're implying that you can seamlessly move between Mac and iPad with your LP projects, so it kind of has to be functionally equivalent. Of course that "round trip" workflow relies a lot on having the same plug-ins and effects on both platforms, so I expect the reality will be more limited for most of us.

Yeah...I really don't know how it's gonna work, but I don't see there being 100% feature-parity. This can already be seen from the screenshots. And while they'll no doubt be adding some of this new stuff to Logic (Version 11, perhaps...at the upcoming show? , they surely won't be 'dumbing'-down the rest of the desktop Logic framework to achieve it.

tobi77

What happens if you are subscribed to Logic and Apple drops support for your current iPad model?

If you want to use it longer with the newest updates you are forced to by a new iPad probably every 6 years. You still pay for no updates?

I still run a mac mini from 2011 which works fine for midi stuff.

cyberheater

@tobi77 said:
What happens if you are subscribed to Logic and Apple drops support for your current iPad model?

If you want to use it longer with the newest updates you are forced to by a new iPad probably every 6 years.

You'll be stuck on the latest available update that will work on your hardware.

drez

@tobi77 said:
What happens if you are subscribed to Logic and Apple drops support for your current iPad model?

If you want to use it longer with the newest updates you are forced to by a new iPad probably every 6 years.

I still run a mac mini from 2011 which works fine for midi stuff.

Isn't that pretty much how ecosystem works today with version of iOS and apps that support those versions? Apple is a hardware company for a reason.

user54432

@NeuM said:

@user54432 said:
Meanwhile, we are able to use FCP and Logic 90 day trials on Macs forever by resetting Mac OS after trial ends.

Just to save $5?

I think you misread my post.

user54432

Logic on iPad means nothing without headphone jack.

AtticusL

Jeez, the amount of misery in here raining on our Logic for iPad parade!

I couldn’t believe it when I tapped on this thread, thought it was another false alarm. Just great news! Others will follow.

knewspeak

It would be great if you could side load AU2 plugins. That would open up a large variety of plugins.

cyberheater

@user54432 said:
Logic on iPad means nothing without headphone jack.

I thought about that as well but a USB-C dongle to headphone jack is quite a small item.

ik2000

@user54432 said:
Logic on iPad means nothing without headphone jack.

Why? Use a proper audio interface and all is good, or use a good headphone converter if you need to be mobile. Lots of options… I really don’t miss the headphone jack and I have a ton of great wired headphones.

RajahP

Don’t think LP is ‘just’ a DAW.. this looks amazing (coming from a PC background).. can imagine all of the big name Plugin Makers will now have to do Auv3… This changed everything..

Love the way it handles samples..

iLLaFenT

Awesome!

NeuM

@natuurlijk said:

@RajahP said:
Well, this opens the floodgates.. here comes FL Studio, Ableton Bitwig and a host of top of the line instruments and effects for iPad… welcome..

Yeah I reckon they all can’t wait to start selling their one product for much less than they currently do…

That's what competition does. Better for the consumer/buyer/musician, more challenging for the competitors/developers.

tobi77

We> @drez said:

@tobi77 said:
What happens if you are subscribed to Logic and Apple drops support for your current iPad model?

If you want to use it longer with the newest updates you are forced to by a new iPad probably every 6 years.

I still run a mac mini from 2011 which works fine for midi stuff.

Isn't that pretty much how ecosystem works today with version of iOS and apps that support those versions? Apple is a hardware company for a reason.

I know, but paying the same price for an older product when there is a newer one for the same price feels weird.

Like Cubasis 2 would cost the same as Cubasis 3.

frosttrance_7

It says that Logic requires at least an A12 Bionic. That means that my iPad Air 3 (which has a headphone jack) will be able to run it!

user54432

@cyberheater said:

@user54432 said:
Logic on iPad means nothing without headphone jack.

I thought about that as well but a USB-C dongle to headphone jack is quite a small item.

@ik2000 said:

@user54432 said:
Logic on iPad means nothing without headphone jack.

Why? Use a proper audio interface and all is good, or use a good headphone converter if you need to be mobile. Lots of options… I really don’t miss the headphone jack and I have a ton of great wired headphones.

I like to keep everything minimal.

NeuM

@frosttrance_7 said:
It says that Logic requires at least an A12 Bionic. That means that my iPad Air 3 (which has a headphone jack) will be able to run it!

That's amazing. I think the aftermarket for used iPad Pros just got a lot hotter.

https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/ipad

user54432

Does a subscription require to always be online? So I cant purchase one month and keep that version for offline use?

NeuM

@user54432 said:
Does a subscription require to always be online? So I cant purchase one month and keep that version for offline use?

I think once your payment covers the current month (or the year), you're good. You should be able to take your iPad Pro to gigs and recording sessions.

drez

@cyberheater said:

@user54432 said:
Logic on iPad means nothing without headphone jack.

I thought about that as well but a USB-C dongle to headphone jack is quite a small item.

yep I use this all the time on my iPhone.

AtticusL

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:
And notice they are not saying these are limited versions of either Logic Pro or Final Cut Pro. The full versions of each. That is astounding.

I think the term ‘game changer’ is kinda appropriate here now.

This could be the inciting event which makes me finally consider getting new hardware…

Yep, me too.

I’ve been saving up for a couple of years, and on the fence between a bigger/better iPad, or hardware synths (e.g. Digitakt, second-hand OP-1). I’m currently jamming out tracks of audio on my Air 4, and then arranging them on the desktop.

So I’m now thinking a 12” iPad Pro, plus Logic, hosting the ridiculous amount of apps I’ve collected over the last decade would be a seriously, powerful combo.

It’s even made me consider a subscription!

Yeah, add some little knobby keyboard and learn how to map its controls inside and out and man, anything else really is just for fun and games.

supadom

@SNystrom said:

@ghost_forests said:

@supadom said:

@Michael_R_Grant said:

@Michael_R_Grant said:
A reminder that the developer of Samplr now works for Apple.

Logic Pro on iPad comes with a massive collection of realistic-sounding instruments and powerful synths including Sample Alchemy — a new sample manipulation instrument that can transform any audio sample with the tap of a finger.

Look at this screenshot. Something familiar, eh? Look at the modes in the middle (Classic/Loop/Scrub/Bow/Arp).

I must be invisible as I assumed this would cause much more of a stir. Let me be clear: it's pretty obvious from the screenshot that Sample Alchemy is basically A NEW VERSION OF SAMPLR!!!!

…and now that Samplr is part of LP we can completely forget it ever going AUV3 as it will be cutting into Apples revenue stream.

Well the Samplr dev does now work for Apple, so…

When Apple purchased the Alchemy synth back in the day, it was incorporated into Logic and the Alchemy stand alone app went poof and disappeared forever.

Let history be a lesson.

Back in the day. You good old timer. 😬
It was indeed common knowledge back then and I remember many have cried because of it.

Load Samplr now and keep it on your device. Is jail breaking still a thing.

Having said all that I’ve been using Samplr less and less and will likely drop it altogether once Drambo gets performance surfaces and some kind of granular.

drez

@tobi77 said:
We> @drez said:

@tobi77 said:
What happens if you are subscribed to Logic and Apple drops support for your current iPad model?

If you want to use it longer with the newest updates you are forced to by a new iPad probably every 6 years.

I still run a mac mini from 2011 which works fine for midi stuff.

Isn't that pretty much how ecosystem works today with version of iOS and apps that support those versions? Apple is a hardware company for a reason.

I know, but paying the same price for an older product when there is a newer one for the same price feels weird.

Like Cubasis 2 would cost the same as Cubasis 3.

What I was driving at was that Apple wants you to buy new hardware. They add capabilities to that hardware that allow you to do things you can't do on older chips. So if you want to keep using the new features they are adding to the software, you get better hardware. Are they nerf'ing the app to force you to buy hardware? Probably. But honestly, I don't expect any hardware company to keep writing software that will support a 10 year old iPad. It's limiting for the advancement of the product itself.

But yeah, I think that will just be the way it works for folks that don't want to buy bigger/better/faster hardware to keep up with the features. But it will still work!

oat_phipps

Oh crap. If this is full featured, I’ll be back to making music again. Really excited.

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Anyone even the one not willing to have it will freeze on a wait and see situation, no insta buy of new iOS apps , as with so big ???? About what will happen prices of new apps can drop a lot or not in some weeks, other apps not anymore valuable at high price even some dev out of iOS music.

All is so fast , so surprising with no warning that personally I will not buy anything now for many weeks and many will do that even if they don’t want Logic Pro. I need to be sure what to buy , only grest AI , , apps really unique and to save space on my IPad when I will no more.

I use Logic PronX on Desktop but they state that it boring new features, optimisation and redesign a bit it to be touch screen experience so you the screenshots are not the same than the Desktop but it is Logic Pro. They suppress I think the new Dolby Atmos on the mixer that nearly nobody use and is limited to the music Apple plateform , but it not a limitation at all.

N the page and screens and their shot as user of Destop Logic Pro I can’t tell you if it is totally 1/1 , you can have more as tool for a new version coming of destop and less for some tools that ere not essential like Atmos .

cabo

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Awful news. Just plain terrible. I’ve always been able to hide my inability to compete projects by blaming the iOS ecosystem, but not anymore. Now this forces me to take accountability. Bastards.

lolz

MobileMusicPro

@supadom said:
Well, let’s see who can afford it.

I’d be damned if I find myself editing my multitrack logic sessions on 11” as opposed to 27” screen but if it’s affordable enough…

lol iPad supports hooking larger screens...