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Apple must have new larger iPad models waiting in the wings to sell, I don't think they would be releasing these apps otherwise. Without any other desktop types of apps available it would be hard to justify trying to push them.
I'm surprised they haven't gone with more options which would be more appealing to users, because I don't think it will be enough for most people judging from the reaction even from a lot of die-hard Logic fans who wanted it, who won't subscribe. They should have gone with the Resolve method of two versions, a free Logic and Logic Studio with more higher end features (+ a sub option) all only available on M1 or newer hardware, Studio being $99 and updating that every few years with a new purchase. I think they would probably make more money from that and sell more hardware. The free version could also hook some newer users who use other apps more.
But they don't care about the ipad only users here, they're aiming this at Mac Logic users who will sub sometimes when they're mobile, on location etc. in which case they should give more sub options, eg sub for a week, that would be more fair, more choice is good
The GarageBand Guide:
I take this as being priced like one would have expected GarageBand Pro…but went all the way and threw the whole Logic in there. That’s the audience.
And with Stage Manager support you get the full desktop experience…so I imagine the UI elements scale gracefully to fill the entire screen.
So your new generation of creatives have all their cake and they can eat all of it.
Sign me up.
For the users allergic to subscriptions Apple has provided a great antidote.
In that the Steinberg’s, Motu’s, Ableton’s can scoop up these users by offering traditional pricing models for them. It also buffers against these companies from complaining about Apple underpricing them out of the market. Because Apple has left this market.
Not only that, these vendors along with Spotify…can completely bypass giving Apple any commission by offering sideloaded software at cough reduced prices.
Errbody wins.
Is it May 23rd yet?
Agree 100% here…
If you don’t like subscription, don’t get Logic Pro for iPad…
If you think Apple products is too expensive, buy some other “crap” and run some cheap software on a 400 bucks laptop or Android Tablet…
We other here will certainly enjoy to at last getting Logic Pro to our beloved iPads…
I hope that none of our beloved indie developers have been working on a new DAW for iOS...
I have spent over $3000 on different music apps and plugins since the presence of Appstore 2008…
Also, to all Apple haters here, I bought Logic Pro X to my Mac the summer of 2013 - ten (10) years later I still have free updates to Logic Pro…
Thanks Apple!
Natuurlijk niet.
How can you so surely be saying that Logic Pro for iPad lacks support for Dolby Atmos??
What are your sources? Tell us!!
My fingers are crossed that I can install it on my iPad Pro Gen 2.
Would you have bought all those apps if they were subscription?
+1 you tell what is reality, many here bought everything cheap but have no idea of the total budget they spend for nothing really professional except perhaps 5 to 10 good apps and IAP . It is far over 1000 usd for many here. Cheap is always expensive at the end even if you use only apps in AUM .
I came to iOS music only because I was d up of using a mouse with LogicPro X for my hobby but as I don’t need any VST I paid 200 usd in 8 years for my hoby on desktop.
How did you find out how much you've spent?
I reply that any actual apps on actual > @natuurlijk said:
First try the free period and after you will decide if yes or no.
"Been spending mos' my life, livin' in a...."
And just what is this "one off" idea of which you speak? The first Logic I bought was version 7. I then paid the upgrade to 8, then to 9, then 10...without a second-thought i.e wouldn't have considered expecting a company to put a ton of work into adding new features, squashing bugs etc. without getting paid for it. These were large updates that book-ended many smaller updates.
It's still an expectation on the desktop side of things.
But with this product there seems to be a strange dichotomy between either Apple forcing us to own nothing (Happily!) or there being a one-off-payment that will cover everything for evermore.
The true alternative to the subscription model would/should be a larger upfront investment and then an upgrade fee for each large iterative version jump...which I'm guessing is not what people here are suggesting as the preferred alternative.
Since that works out at a £200 per year spend, once you take off Logic’s £49 that leaves £151 to spend on other app subscriptions per year.
If other developers follow suit (I could imagine Korg doing a £49 per year package, for a bit less: Sugarbytes, Eventide etc.), then a lot of small indie devs could be left out in the cold.
I will most likely be buying Logic for iOS, but I have concerns for the subscription floodgates being opened on desktop and iOS if it takes off.
From the screen shot of the mixer zooming and oas Atmos is great marketing trick for Apple they should have state it will on their page.
Not many tracks use Atmos so that change nothing for Logic experience on iOS . I don’t tell it will not be in a later release that the beauty having constant updates on both Logic so new functionality regularly and sound pack.
That's not what I was asking.
I was interested in ErrkaPetti spend. How many apps were bought for the $3,000 and would they be bought if they were all subs?
Easy - have all recipes left and I took me time this spring to count it (I was curious)…
The same goes for Apple hardware - I have been spending more than $22000 on Apple hardware the last ten years…
Fair enough. I certainly don't want to do anything like that to people. I'm fine with walking away from this thread and leaving it to people who think this is more a good than a bad thing. But I see Apple as the one who has pissed on the parade. The person pointing out that the parade is being pissed on is not the one who ruined the parade. I actually have a good friend who has worked for Apple as a programmer for 20 years. He helped launch this project. He completely agrees with me about how it is being marketed. Of course, he and his team have no control over that, and they are trying to be celebratory about it finally reaching completion. This has been in the works for many years. It's just such a disappointment to see something you wanted for so long being "rained on" (we'll call it) by marketing decisions when it finally arrives.
This situation is very different than what happened recently with Waves. In the Waves case, it was something that users had in their daily workflow for decades that they saw as being taken away from them. I didn't see a single post happy about it. This is not taking away something that was already in place, and is something that people have wanted so badly that it seems many are willing to go along with it. But it is something that will almost certainly have implications far beyond this particular product. It is annoying to hear users try to argue things from the vendor's perspective... This "has to happen in order for companies to stay profitable, etc." We can only guess about such things. We are customers. Our job is to get the best deal we can find, not make the vendor's argument for them. What we do know is: Apple was able to buy Logic from Emagic, kill off the PC version, and cut the price to the point where other DAWs could be put out of business. Surprisingly, that didn't happen. (IMO that was largely due to the fact that Logic had one of the most difficult interfaces to learn, at least at the time. BTW, my Apple-programmer friend I mentioned who worked on this project, is also a musician, and he doesn't use Logic! Like me, he found the interface most "illogical" in many ways.) But the point is, Apple could do this, and lots of other things that other companies couldn't or wouldn't, because their business model was based on selling hardware. And they have become one of the most profitable companies in the world, enabling them to do things, and even steer the industry, like nobody else. I believe they are doing this as part of a larger trend to position themselves as a "services" company. I find that troubling. Best to all my fellow end users!
688 comments.... can we get to 700 in the 2 or so hours before the thread is 24 hours old?
Ok, that’s what I replied to. Thought I was being helpful, time to put you on ignore.
well said and it's a shame some forum members would have any issue with you making comments regardless of if it is perceived positive or negative.
it just a discussion...
Probably.
This guy's views are a joke. $5/month for logic is not a dystopian nightmare, dude needs to lay off the alex jones and get a job because it looks like he's in his mothers basement at the moment.
Answering for my question from the begining of the discussion:
6GB of available storage space for minimum installation or 72GB of storage space for full Sound Library installation
It was taken from LP for MAC page
I don't see any comparison to Waves, here. They made some serious blunders in their execution, and certainly fuelled the fires of the most cynical of nay-sayers with their 'You rely on us, so bend the knee' approach. They completely swept the proverbial carpet from under the proverbial feet of their customers. In this case, Apple is introducing a product that hadn't previously existed in a particular space, and priced it in a way that allows more people to 'play', without a huge investment and zero commitment (One doesn't necessarily have to 'rent' every month of the year).
@Lady_App_titude said: "It is annoying to hear users try to argue things from the vendor's perspective... This "has to happen in order for companies to stay profitable, etc." We can only guess about such things. We are customers. Our job is to get the best deal we can find, not make the vendor's argument for them."
Huh?!? I have no interest in the tribal 'us vs them', 'consumers against tyrannical corporations' mentality. i'm interested in the truth, and when that can't be accurately determined, at the very least, fair representation when speculating. I certainly have no role or "job" that dictates what I should prioritise as a consumer. But just in case it wasn't clear, i do absolutely believe that consumers only considering the best deal they can get has the same potential negatives for the marketplace, as only considering oneself has negative impacts on any area of life.
I am no Apple fan-boy, by the way. I can't stand a lot about how they operate. But as long as they still edge ahead in my pros vs cons list, I'll stick with their products. But I'm OS-agnostic, DAW-agnostic, and whatever-agnostic. These are all just tools, to be used towards specific ends. Choose the tools that get you to your specific 'end', with as much joy and as few headaches as possible.
That's quite a bit. Thanks for letting me know.
thanks @richardyot
I havent kept up with the thread, and you may have already answered, but I was curious whats your thinking on this upcoming release?
Just in case you were referring to me, I made it very clear that i think these opinions should be represented. I just thought it better to have a separate thread, rather than 'pissing on the parade' (
)of those of us who are happy about the news.
Edit: And here it is:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55433/about-logic-and-fcp-subscriptions-and-united-consumers-power#latest
I'm excited about the possibilities. To be fair I don't feel like I'm missing anything at the moment - I can do all I need with the combination of Auria Pro and NS2, but it will be good to have everything in one app and also not to have to worry about your key apps being abandoned.