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  • @ik2000 said:
    Come on folks… I’m laughing at the comments here lambasting Apple for going to a subscription model for the app that many have been calling for. Wake up… get with the 21st century… the subscription business model is here to stay. How many of you actually rent your home versus how many pay a monthly mortgage? If the (what can only be described as small) monthly subscription cost is not a price you want to pay for what will probably be the best DAW on ipad, then that’s fine, but STOP going on about it. You have a choice to go elsewhere. Buy a windows PC and android tablet and do your music thing on that! (This is my final post of subscription of LP)

    Agreed. Everyone wanted it. Now it’s here and some people can’t stop with the ranting about the subscription model, which I think it’s very reasonably priced. If apple would’ve announced it with a $200+ price tag people would be complaining just as much. Hell a few pages back someone mentioned it would’ve been a one time price of $50 which is laughable for something this huge. Kinda disappointing, honestly. Luckily the majority of people seem excited. Just sucks the thread is derailed every 10 comments with the same complaint.

  • What @NeuM said

  • @Lady_App_titude said:

    @NeuM said:

    I've used nothing but GarageBand ever since GB came out. I refused to move up to Logic when Apple bought it because it was far too technical and difficult to use. The newer version is far more user friendly. And it looks like it has been improved even more for iOS. I have to assume the desktop version will also be similarly updated, matching function.

    I actually never expected we would see Logic Pro on iPad. I was expecting something like GarageBand Pro. And really, if GB just had a few more pro-like features, it would have been a lot more usable. Now it looks like it could be super-high-learning curve Logic vs. too-dumbed-down GarageBand. But we shall see...

    For this comment I agree with you. Logic have a deeper learning curve on desktop it is not Garage Band but it seems that GarageBand will stay on the IPad and perhaps they should improve it a bit. We wii see.

    Full Logic is over 80 GB on Desktop you can put the sounds databank on an external HD and it is should be the same with Logic as Pro Daw mean Back up of your work.

  • @FPC I can’t wait to sit on the rug and play Logic Pro with you 😘

  • Watch Zenbeats offer up Roland Cloud in Zenbeats 4 .. Maybe they’ll create some insane sequencer etc

  • I would not be surprised at all if an update for GarageBand drops at the same time...
    ...for next week we have iOS/iPadOS16.5 to look forward to :sunglasses:

  • @drez said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
    In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

    >

    I never thought about or cared about it. I just thought of having a great daw on the platform. It’s more important for me to use the daw than to worry about things like if it’s sub or not. My time is worth more than either the sub price or the price if bought outright. How it makes me feel when using it will be the barometer on if I pay for it or not. After that, if it’s worth the price, I pay it. If not, I don’t. Sub has nothing really to do with it.

    Wait! It’s almost as if you're suggesting that perhaps each person should perform a quick back-of-a-napkin cost-vs-benefit analysis and use that to make their decision ;) Should the value, whether in utility, time or pleasure, exceed the price, then it’s a go. Should Apple decide to triple the price at some point, then

    I'm not for or against subscriptions. They either present a good value-proposition or they don't. I get the worry that everything will end up this way, by default, but don’t think it will ever go that way. Some products aren’t suitable, and not every company is going to want to work at the kind of pace they'd need to to justify consumers' monthly outlay. The rest? People will just decide on a case-by-case basis, which will either be profitable for a company or it won't. Besides, there're gonna be plenty of developers who also hate the principle of subscriptions, to insure there will always be alternatives.

    As for this idea of one-off payments? Ironically, perhaps it’s just 'cause Apple have been typically un-Apple in giving desktop Logic-users 10 years of updates from one 200 quid purchase, but competing DAW have been pumping out paid updates costing a lot more during that period.

    As has already been discussed, there is quite a large fianacial barrier-to-entry for this hobby. $5 is unlikely to be the last financial straw for many here, providing they find the value proposition is there. And for those who earn a crust from FCP and Logic, having these on an iPad will likely be the no-brainiest of no-brainers.

    tl;dr If you like it, subscribe. If not, then don’t.

    P.S i think the sub-dissenters shiuld be represented, but it is getting a bit heavy (We're already literally pissing in people's drinking jars, at this point, and there’s still 2 weeks to go ;) ). Perhaps there could be a separate thread that could function as the 'be all/end all' subscription discussion?

  • @NeuM said:

    @Crabman said:
    This is great news but let‘s see how much Logic Pro it really is…

    You can see what they're promoting for yourself.

    https://www.apple.com/logic-pro-for-ipad/

    Not really as it doesn‘t show me any of the countless and deeper edit tools etc available on LP for example. This is juat a list of general features. Which looks good but could also be named garageband pro ;)

    Soon we know and it‘s nice there is a trial.

  • @NeuM said:

    @jacou said:
    Logic for iPad is definitely not on par with the desktop version. I already can tell by seeing the pictured on the website. It’s a very stripped down version but still very capable and with nice additions. I also like the overall new look. It might take a few more years until it gets anywhere near the desktop version. Also most well established plug-in library and instrument devs still have to make the jump. Maybe side loading in the EU will be a little encouragement. Let’s see. I’m still excited for that first step. A new era for iOS music making.

    There's no way to tell if it's a lesser version of the software at this point. We have to use it and see for ourselves. They're not saying it's "Logic Lite" or anything like that in the promotional material, so there's really no reason to make such an assumption. In my testing of the desktop version over the last month so far, there are some annoyances I'd like to see addressed and I'm hoping the new version (both iOS and macOS) makes it even easier to use and get ideas down faster and more flexibly. It's already a very sophisticated bit of software, but there is always room for improvement.

    Agree totally, you know what you are talking about. Many people here never used the latest Logic Pro X so they can’t figure out the pro and cons. Most Logic user use 30 % of Logic Pro on Desktop as it is really so hudge and so many tools.

  • I'm so looking forward to taking this for a spin when it drops...
    ...especially the audio-editing features :sunglasses:

    I know Logic 10.7.8 will be required on the desktop for 'compatibility'.
    My M1 iPadPro beats the crap out of my i5 MacMini when it comes to raw performance.

    There's no official word on Logic Pro 11 yet...

  • @Mountain_Hamlet said:
    Apple already have a subscription model in place..hardware upgrades on a yearly basis.

    Almost yearly :)
    I wonder how LP will look like on ipad mini :blush:

  • Well this fucked it. Apple finally jumped my shark.
    First off please stop calling it a subscription, it is not. it is a licensing or “right to use” fee
    Just a way to charge you for the rest of your life without end they give you nothing new each month and you don’t get to keep what you already had, you loose it if you don’t pay up.

    I will never choose this, I just hope that they don’t do that to the FCP and LP I already paid for on My Mac.

    This blatant extortion just pisses me off

    every corporation is trying to figure out how to get you to pay monthly for everything and never ever own anything it is the corporate version of a modern feudal system

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    @monz0id said:

    @drez said:

    Not on iOS you can't, and never will be able to even if it comes to iOS

    Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.

    You didn't read what I said... "even if it comes to iOS".

    You didn’t read what I said. I was replying to this comment:

    “ when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software”

    To which I said:

    “ You can resell your Ableton license.”

    So my response to your comment “ even if it comes to iOS”, “ Ableton Live Suite isn’t on iOS, last time I looked.”

    Makes sense to me.

    I guess I understand what you mean now, it was a reply about "desktop software".

    My confusion was not understanding what that has to do with any software that is sold on iOS, much less Logic for iPad?

    No idea, you’ll have to ask @mjm1138 who’s comment I was replying to.

    Ask me what your comment meant? I can't even explain myself most days, you'll have to answer for yourself :D

    Just read through it. I’ll help you:

    I was replying to your comment:

    “ when you buy e.g. Ableton Live Suite, you don't "own" the software”

    To which I said:

    “ You can resell your Ableton license.”

    So in all intents and purposes, you do.

  • @drez said:

    @NeuM said:

    @drez said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

    Is NanoStudio 2 available on desktop?

    No. And you can't resell it :smiley:

    Unlike Ableton, which you can.

  • For my own use I’m “wait and see” - in the main I’m interested in the piano roll and audio editors as there should be a very good chance these are an improvement on Cubasis.

    My main hope for iOS has been the improvement of hosts, LP is big news on that front. A worry would have been “scorched earth” pricing and I don’t see that with a $50/year sub. There should still be space for other hosts to keep selling.

  • I suppose this will be the end of Auria Pro. Cubasis are now going to be put under pressure as well - in a good way.

  • Way I see it, I can’t really afford to drop £200 now. By spreading out the cost it’s much more affordable, like any big purchase.

    In 4 years once we get to £200 in annual ‘rent’, there will probably be Ableton or something anyway which I’ll likely switch to.

  • @Samu said:
    I'm so looking forward to taking this for a spin when it drops...
    ...especially the audio-editing features :sunglasses:

    I know Logic 10.7.8 will be required on the desktop for 'compatibility'.
    My M1 iPadPro beats the crap out of my i5 MacMini when it comes to raw performance.

    There's no official word on Logic Pro 11 yet...

    I’m stoked about the iPad version, I can stomach one subscription for that, but they’ve been very quiet about the future for the desktop version.

    It doesn’t have many of the new iOS features, so will need an upgrade, so will this be free for existing users, or another subscription?

    49$ per year for iOS Logic, and I’m in. $99+ per year to then transfer projects from one device and another, and I am most definitely out - of the desktop version at least.

  • I'm honestly glad it's subscription. I have more recording options than I know how to use so if I bought it, it would not get used a lot and would mostly be GAS

  • edited May 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @jacou said:
    Logic for iPad is definitely not on par with the desktop version. I already can tell by seeing the pictured on the website. It’s a very stripped down version but still very capable and with nice additions. I also like the overall new look. It might take a few more years until it gets anywhere near the desktop version. Also most well established plug-in library and instrument devs still have to make the jump. Maybe side loading in the EU will be a little encouragement. Let’s see. I’m still excited for that first step. A new era for iOS music making.

    There's no way to tell if it's a lesser version of the software at this point. We have to use it and see for ourselves. They're not saying it's "Logic Lite" or anything like that in the promotional material, so there's really no reason to make such an assumption. In my testing of the desktop version over the last month so far, there are some annoyances I'd like to see addressed and I'm hoping the new version (both iOS and macOS) makes it even easier to use and get ideas down faster and more flexibly. It's already a very sophisticated bit of software, but there is always room for improvement.

    Well maybe I’m wrong and the Logic devs will surprise me.
    But I’m not sure if they for example got the whole Dolby Atmos engine inside as its quite demanding. Not sure if every plugin comes with all functionality (the screenshots only show limited functionality). Not sure if the whole time stretching engine is fit inside. Or deeper midi and audio editing features like humanise etc.
    But yeah even without these features it will be an amazing daw on the iPad and an amazing tool to make great songs.

  • @rs2000 said:
    Although I've avoided subscriptions completely so far, looking at iOS developers specifically, I think that "normalizing software renting" could turn out to be a life saver for some of them.

    Yup!

    In a parallel universe, NS2 was released as a sub. Not only is it now NS6, but is the app credited for stealing LPiOS' thunder after the infamous debacle that was a trillion-dollar-valued company trying to charge $200 for an app ;)

  • @jacou said:

    @NeuM said:

    @jacou said:
    Logic for iPad is definitely not on par with the desktop version. I already can tell by seeing the pictured on the website. It’s a very stripped down version but still very capable and with nice additions. I also like the overall new look. It might take a few more years until it gets anywhere near the desktop version. Also most well established plug-in library and instrument devs still have to make the jump. Maybe side loading in the EU will be a little encouragement. Let’s see. I’m still excited for that first step. A new era for iOS music making.

    There's no way to tell if it's a lesser version of the software at this point. We have to use it and see for ourselves. They're not saying it's "Logic Lite" or anything like that in the promotional material, so there's really no reason to make such an assumption. In my testing of the desktop version over the last month so far, there are some annoyances I'd like to see addressed and I'm hoping the new version (both iOS and macOS) makes it even easier to use and get ideas down faster and more flexibly. It's already a very sophisticated bit of software, but there is always room for improvement.

    Well maybe I’m wrong and the Logic devs will surprise me.
    But I’m not sure if they for example got the whole Dolby Atmos engine inside as its quite demanding. Not sure if every plugin comes with all functionality (the screenshots only show limited functionality). Not sure if the whole time stretching engine is fit inside. Or deeper midi and audio editing features like humanise etc.
    But yeah even without these features it will be an amazing daw on the iPad and an amazing tool to make great songs.

    Yes, the shiny bits look good and that’s what Apple marketing is all about. I would like to see the Flex Time and Pitch in there, but it’s difficult to see in the shots they’ve given. The mixing window looks pretty nice though and the sampler.

  • Think about how much you pay for all those virtual instruments and effects, then add the cost of the buying the host.
    $5 a month seems quite cheap really.

  • edited May 2023

    @ralis said:
    every corporation is trying to figure out how to get you to pay monthly for everything and never ever own anything it is the corporate version of a modern feudal system

    I don't think citizens had an "opt in/out" choice in the old feudal system.

    You have a choice to subscribe to an app or a cable channel or whatever in the modern world. There is no law forcing you to subscribe. It is just a product you can purchase or not. You won't die or go to jail if you decide not to.

  • @dendy said:

    @alecsbuga said:
    O M F G!!! FINALLY

    Dude, 50$ / year sounds a lot, but... it's LOGIC bro. And it looks like it's 1:1 with the desktop version + more... not a neutered version.

    Also... you get a shit ton of updated content. So yeah... it's pennies actually.

    imagine you look back in 2033 and realise you payed $500 to apple for using it .. at least, most probably a LOT more cause i guess they will periodically increase subs price once per 2-3 years to count with inflation …

    subs is trap, they can anytime increase price and you will do shit about it, you will be forced to pay otherwise you loose access to your projects

    people here usualky swear when they loose access to $10 app after 10-12 years - looking forward how they will swear when, after 2-3 years and payed total $150 in subs apple decides to increase price from 3.99/m to let’s say 9.99/m or 19.99/m 😂

    💩

    You don't lose access to anything. YOu can still open your projects in Logic Pro X, which last time I checked was 100 ish EUR.

    I remember being a student and couldn't afford to buy Logic. When they made it 100 eur I bought it instantly. No regrets. It's the most complete DAW I've used. And it actually looks beautiful too compared to ... Excel :) (Ableton I'm looking at you).

    I"m not a fan of subs either... especially since I don't use apps every day. I'm a developer not a pro musician. And It pisses me off to cancel / resubscribe everytime (see Auxy). But it's Logic we're talking about.

    From what I've seen in the video & screenshots, you have the new Logic sampler in there which is A-MAZING, Alchemy and some new Alchemy Sampler (which is prob Samplr revamped), and all the other ones... like Retrosynth which is pretty dope.
    Not to mention the whole mastering suite from Logic (eq, comps, guitar amps, etc).

    I mean... you wouldn't need anything else.

    Curious to see if they added musical keyboard too. I use that a lot when I'm too lazy to connect my midi kb.

  • @jacou said:

    @NeuM said:

    @jacou said:
    Logic for iPad is definitely not on par with the desktop version. I already can tell by seeing the pictured on the website. It’s a very stripped down version but still very capable and with nice additions. I also like the overall new look. It might take a few more years until it gets anywhere near the desktop version. Also most well established plug-in library and instrument devs still have to make the jump. Maybe side loading in the EU will be a little encouragement. Let’s see. I’m still excited for that first step. A new era for iOS music making.

    There's no way to tell if it's a lesser version of the software at this point. We have to use it and see for ourselves. They're not saying it's "Logic Lite" or anything like that in the promotional material, so there's really no reason to make such an assumption. In my testing of the desktop version over the last month so far, there are some annoyances I'd like to see addressed and I'm hoping the new version (both iOS and macOS) makes it even easier to use and get ideas down faster and more flexibly. It's already a very sophisticated bit of software, but there is always room for improvement.

    Well maybe I’m wrong and the Logic devs will surprise me.
    But I’m not sure if they for example got the whole Dolby Atmos engine inside as its quite demanding. Not sure if every plugin comes with all functionality (the screenshots only show limited functionality). Not sure if the whole time stretching engine is fit inside. Or deeper midi and audio editing features like humanise etc.
    But yeah even without these features it will be an amazing daw on the iPad and an amazing tool to make great songs.

    Not to mention hundreds of features behind menus, key-commands, modifier keys.

    I wonder if behind thise pan-knobs are directional and binaural-panner options. And what about that mixer? Inserts limited to 4? Groups? VCA's?

    All unknown and unanswerable, of course. But I don't think it's all there…not by a long-shot. Would love to be proved wrong, though.

  • edited May 2023

    Has anyone mentioned how awesome it would be for Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro subscriptions to be universal?

  • FPCFPC
    edited May 2023

    @gregsmith said:
    @FPC I can’t wait to sit on the rug and play Logic Pro with you 😘

    Won't that be nice! Maybe you can teach me how to use the bloody thing.

    AB forum: blah blah blah price of a coffee blah blah

    Me: I wish I could afford a nice coffee when I'm out but I've spent it all on cheap apps I'll never use and now a monthly sub :'(

    Really looking forward to this. To me sub is ok. I'll be able to really see if it's for me or not with barely any financial 'risk'.

    It took me a lot longer than a week to realise Loopy Pro just wasn't for me so a monthly sub can be treated as an extended test drive.

  • @alecsbuga said:

    @dendy said:

    @alecsbuga said:
    O M F G!!! FINALLY

    Dude, 50$ / year sounds a lot, but... it's LOGIC bro. And it looks like it's 1:1 with the desktop version + more... not a neutered version.

    Also... you get a shit ton of updated content. So yeah... it's pennies actually.

    imagine you look back in 2033 and realise you payed $500 to apple for using it .. at least, most probably a LOT more cause i guess they will periodically increase subs price once per 2-3 years to count with inflation …

    subs is trap, they can anytime increase price and you will do shit about it, you will be forced to pay otherwise you loose access to your projects

    people here usualky swear when they loose access to $10 app after 10-12 years - looking forward how they will swear when, after 2-3 years and payed total $150 in subs apple decides to increase price from 3.99/m to let’s say 9.99/m or 19.99/m 😂

    💩

    You don't lose access to anything. YOu can still open your projects in Logic Pro X, which last time I checked was 100 ish EUR.

    Do we know if the current version of LPX will be compatible with the iOS version though, since there are new features in the iOS version?

    And will an update be required that also moves the desktop version into a subscription model?

    Apple are being very quiet about the desktop version, which makes me nervous.

  • edited May 2023

    Subcriptions can seem alluring at first as you often get access to things that would cost a lot for much cheaper. However fast forward 10 years and you've ended up paying much much more and if you stop paying you lose all access. I paid the £50 a month sub to Adobe for their suite for 3 years. I mostly used Photoshop, Lightroom and Premier and so it cost me £1800 and I could see how that was going, so I cancelled it and now can't access any of my Premier projects. A one-off payment of £200 for FCP was way better value! I still do the PS and Lightroom sub for £9.99 a month. I don't mind that too much because pre-cloud Adobe used to bring out a new version of Photoshop every year or so and it was a few hundred pounds to update, so I feel the sub pays for that and PS has had some amazing new features added - but I'm still not thrilled about it and don't do any other subs.

    So I could get Logic and FCP for £10 a month and that seems awesome in some ways for pro software - and at least I'd give Apple props of not charging more - it is quite affordable for what you get. However, again fast forward 10 years and they will have cost me £1000 and I could have bought them on Macbook for £400 one -off cost. Frankly I would rather have this software on a laptop anyway as the screen real-estate and keyboard/mouse make them far more useable and only slightly less portable. I've had FCP on a mac for 12 years now and it would have cost me £600 on a sub - and if my financial situation changed and I cancel it, I'd lose access to 12 years of work. Not thrilled about the prospect of that. As least with photoshop I can sill use my photos. With Logic I'd lose all access to composing and paid for plugs.

    And those saying it's only a coffee - well maybe, but but the point is, how many coffees are we going to commit to each month to have access to all the software we need? Because 6, 7 - 10 -20 coffees a month starts to add up... and every dev and his pet cat is trying to charge us for subs these days...

    Also, what is it with the dollar and pound being the same? I just 'asked siri' what $50 is in £ - and it's £39.62, so I'm fed up with getting charged the same pounds as dollars.

    So, bearing in mind I would prefer to use these apps on a laptop, and don't want to be increasingly railroaded into monthly payments, it's a no from me. The only thing that would tempt me is if some big names like Kontakt or Sine came over to iOS, as I mostly use sample based plugins anyway.

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