Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

Tarekith

@LostInFoundation said:
About subscription (and people saying the ones not liking it are just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.

I think that would be the best choice myself as well. Although It think once a company has decide to go subscription, there's rarely a benefit to offering a better deal (cost wise) to people that would prefer a one and one price.

@mikewb said:
I’m pretty confident apple will never bring back the headphone jack, however with the release of the “pro” apps I wonder if they’ve considered adding an extra usb-c port, perhaps on the rumored 14 inch. One port for external storage the other for an audio interface or usb dongle.

Honestly, I would rather they just work on improving low latency bluetooth audio. The AirPod Pro 2's are shockingly good for the cost, just need to get that latency down.

NeuM

@Tarekith said:

@LostInFoundation said:
About subscription (and people saying the ones not liking it are just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.

I think that would be the best choice myself as well. Although It think once a company has decide to go subscription, there's rarely a benefit to offering a better deal (cost wise) to people that would prefer a one and one price.

@mikewb said:
I’m pretty confident apple will never bring back the headphone jack, however with the release of the “pro” apps I wonder if they’ve considered adding an extra usb-c port, perhaps on the rumored 14 inch. One port for external storage the other for an audio interface or usb dongle.

Honestly, I would rather they just work on improving low latency bluetooth audio. The AirPod Pro 2's are shockingly good for the cost, just need to get that latency down.

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

SNystrom

@NeuM said:

@Tarekith said:

@LostInFoundation said:
About subscription (and people saying the ones not liking it are just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.

I think that would be the best choice myself as well. Although It think once a company has decide to go subscription, there's rarely a benefit to offering a better deal (cost wise) to people that would prefer a one and one price.

@mikewb said:
I’m pretty confident apple will never bring back the headphone jack, however with the release of the “pro” apps I wonder if they’ve considered adding an extra usb-c port, perhaps on the rumored 14 inch. One port for external storage the other for an audio interface or usb dongle.

Honestly, I would rather they just work on improving low latency bluetooth audio. The AirPod Pro 2's are shockingly good for the cost, just need to get that latency down.

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

Oh yeah?!?!

Just try telling that to Thomas Dolby! 😆

AlmostAnonymous

Curious how many new users were added today and when the real flood is coming……

Lorichs

Does “traditional” logic has a video viewer that follows along the transport? This is useful for composing music for video.
It can be done in Auria pro, but i cut my ties with that app.

If such feature is in logic for ipad i might jump in.

Tarekith

@NeuM said:

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

Doesn’t have to be as fast to still be usable. Yamaha/Line6 announced some pretty impressive improvements in the last couple weeks that strangely did not get picked up here.

NeuM

@Tarekith said:

@NeuM said:

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

Doesn’t have to be as fast to still be usable. Yamaha/Line6 announced some pretty impressive improvements in the last couple weeks that strangely did not get picked up here.

When musical performances and timing are at stake, a wired electrical connection means the speed of light is involved.

BroCoast

Such amazing news.

Krupa

@Lorichs said:
Does “traditional” logic has a video viewer that follows along the transport? This is useful for composing music for video.
It can be done in Auria pro, but i cut my ties with that app.

If such feature is in logic for ipad i might jump in.

When I last used it seriously on windows in the noughties it did, I’ve not got back into it on the Mac though…

hes

@NeuM said:

@Tarekith said:

@NeuM said:

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

Doesn’t have to be as fast to still be usable. Yamaha/Line6 announced some pretty impressive improvements in the last couple weeks that strangely did not get picked up here.

When musical performances and timing are at stake, a wired electrical connection means the speed of light is involved.

Yes. But speed of light is also involved when bluetooth, or any other wireless technology, is used. All waves in the electromagnetic spectrum travel at the speed of light. Some don't travel as far, or carry as strong a signal.

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

@Tarekith said:

@NeuM said:

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

Doesn’t have to be as fast to still be usable. Yamaha/Line6 announced some pretty impressive improvements in the last couple weeks that strangely did not get picked up here.

When musical performances and timing are at stake, a wired electrical connection means the speed of light is involved.

The speed of light is also the speed at which radio waves travel. Signals through wire don't move faster than electromagnetic radio (light, radio waves, etc). Bluetooth latency has nothing to do with the speed of radio waves.

NeuM

@hes said:

@NeuM said:

@Tarekith said:

@NeuM said:

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

Doesn’t have to be as fast to still be usable. Yamaha/Line6 announced some pretty impressive improvements in the last couple weeks that strangely did not get picked up here.

When musical performances and timing are at stake, a wired electrical connection means the speed of light is involved.

Yes. But speed of light is also involved when bluetooth, or any other wireless technology, is used. All waves in the electromagnetic spectrum travel at the speed of light. Some don't travel as far, or carry as strong a signal.

Compression and decompression are involved in Bluetooth, unlike the direct connection with wired headphones. Latency is unavoidable.

HotStrange

@Lorichs said:
Does “traditional” logic has a video viewer that follows along the transport? This is useful for composing music for video.
It can be done in Auria pro, but i cut my ties with that app.

If such feature is in logic for ipad i might jump in.

Agreed. I think it does but I’m not sure. One option for now is AUVideoPlayer in AUM and using whatever app of choice for your score.

cyberheater

I hope Apple sees the backlash about subs and reconsiders.

I don’t mind paying subs but it’s clear a lot of folks do.

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@hes said:

@NeuM said:

@Tarekith said:

@NeuM said:

Wireless will never be as fast as wired. That’s just physics.

Doesn’t have to be as fast to still be usable. Yamaha/Line6 announced some pretty impressive improvements in the last couple weeks that strangely did not get picked up here.

When musical performances and timing are at stake, a wired electrical connection means the speed of light is involved.

Yes. But speed of light is also involved when bluetooth, or any other wireless technology, is used. All waves in the electromagnetic spectrum travel at the speed of light. Some don't travel as far, or carry as strong a signal.

Compression and decompression are involved in Bluetooth, unlike the direct connection with wired headphones. Latency is unavoidable.

Bandwith, signal strength, encoding and decoding, error correction limit wireless transmission, not the speed of transmission.

[Deleted User]

An other question for those , like me , have on their desktop Logic Pro X ? When Apple will release Logic Pro XI they can state that now it is a subscription model. We invest in a licence 200 usd and on a powerful MacBook but the new pricing model can also apply in a near future to desktop.

[Deleted User]

@NeuM said:

@drez said:

@gregsmith said:
Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

Nanostudio2 has both of these.

Is NanoStudio 2 available on desktop?

I say no, it is not in the list that apps we can open on Silicon Mac. Very short list. It was made as an iOS app for iOS only ?

Jumpercollins

https://www.youtube.com/live/QG12dIW2qmY?feature=share

[Deleted User]

@Lady_App_titude said:
Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed.

As I remember that you want to make a living with your song , have in mind that many artist like you use Logic t polish what they do and up their level on Logic Pro many starving musicians unknown had a boost in their career spending their time to up up what they do because of Logic Pro tools.

Now you can do that for a monthly cup of coffee and as song writer a pro need a pro tool. At least consider to use Logic as free trial not being political position. If you want release a pro EP you need to have a Pro Daw.

I can understand than some have problems with pro Daw as on desktop with a mouse it not good for creativity so they use iOS to find ideas but at the end it will go to Logic or Ableton to be released.

Crabman

This is great news but let‘s see how much Logic Pro it really is…

Simon

.> @Lady_App_titude said:

If they can succeed in normalizing music software renting, the flood gates are open.

I don't think there will be a "flood".

Apple can get away with subs with Logic, but only because it is such a huge and important app that offers so much for $5 a month.

For other apps to go sub would be very risky for the developer. So much iOS music app buying is built on a kind of "impulse purchase" that works very differently to signing up for a subscrption.

Most of us have dozens or hundreds of apps on our devices. If they were apps that needed a subscrption I would think that the number would be 10 or less.

Mostly we see a hot, new app and think "oh, that looks like fun to try and it only costs $8", so we buy it. If getting the app required signing up for a subscription then the number of apps downloaded would be way, way less.

Lorichs

@HotStrange said:

@Lorichs said:
Does “traditional” logic has a video viewer that follows along the transport? This is useful for composing music for video.
It can be done in Auria pro, but i cut my ties with that app.

If such feature is in logic for ipad i might jump in.

Agreed. I think it does but I’m not sure. One option for now is AUVideoPlayer in AUM and using whatever app of choice for your score.

Jep. I have that one. But dispite all the flaws in Auria pro I find that their video viewer runs more smooth than AUvideoPlayer. At least in my setup. Runs fine during playback but when editing it tends to be “jumpy” in Cubasis.

Another thing. After apple removed the mini jack and I once in a while are reading about apple going portless made me fear that they would abandon music on IOS. I think that I can have sigh of relief now.

Mountain_Hamlet

Apple already have a subscription model in place..hardware upgrades on a yearly basis.

[Deleted User]

@Svetlovska said:
I’m with @Lady_App_titude : it’s not the price.

Very cheap (for now…) but the idea.

How long do you think now it will be before Logic on Mac becomes rental too? Once they have you, you are stuck. If they choose to hike the price down the line (and they will) , your access to your own work is gone unless you pay the ransom.

I still hate that they deliberately took away the ability you once had on IOS to make your own backups of apps, and then just killed off any whose devs didn’t want to keep paying their ransom. Remember that? Fool me once…

Like ‘games as a service’ this is just corporate bullshit to hook you, and turn you into a milsch cow for eternity. What is it that heroin dealers say? Oh yeah:

‘the first taste is free.’

I’ve been thinking of parting ways with the iPad since I saw Molten Music’s stuff on Bitwig on the Surface Pro. Their ‘buy the current version / only pay for the next one if you want the new stuff’ model seems fair, and the bullshit factor of every new IOS update deliberately breaking something has got very old for me.

Benn Jordan puts it very well.

This move might just make my mind up.

I can think that the next step will by not to buy IPad but to rent it ?

For experimental music base a harware we don’t need Logic but Logic is more essential for a song writer willing to make a living. Even you got live tools.

ik2000

Come on folks… I’m laughing at the comments here lambasting Apple for going to a subscription model for the app that many have been calling for. Wake up… get with the 21st century… the subscription business model is here to stay. How many of you actually rent your home versus how many pay a monthly mortgage? If the (what can only be described as small) monthly subscription cost is not a price you want to pay for what will probably be the best DAW on ipad, then that’s fine, but STOP going on about it. You have a choice to go elsewhere. Buy a windows PC and android tablet and do your music thing on that! (This is my final post of subscription of LP)

Mountain_Hamlet

I just read through the Apple page. Honestly, this thing is going to sell a lot of subscriptions. $50 USD a year. It’s going to be popular and I’m now going to have to by myself a new iPad.

Simon

@Lady_App_titude said:
Because it is attempting to normalize software renting, and apparently that is working, if people think such a thing is a good idea.

I get what you are saying and agree about subs in general (but I also think the Logic sub price is great value).

Maybe a way to approach it is to play pretend.

Pretend that buying a month of Logic sub is like a band booking a studio.

You write your songs, record some elements, put together a "demo" in GarageBand and then get a month's worth of Logic to finish it in "the big studio". Do your final mix, export your song, export each track to WAV for safekeeping and let the sub lapse until next time you need to "go back into the Logic studio".

Of course, maybe you are not interested in LogicPro and are happy to stick with AUM or Cubasis or whatever you are using now. Or you want your DAW always available 24/7 to compose in. In which case, ignore my pretend game...

NeuM

@Crabman said:
This is great news but let‘s see how much Logic Pro it really is…

You can see what they're promoting for yourself.

https://www.apple.com/logic-pro-for-ipad/

Jumpercollins

If you’re serious about music making and especially if you use FCP the bigger storage 1 and 2TB iPad Pros make sense. I believe LPX is about 2.2GB but the sound library is nearly 80GB. You do have the option of off loading this to a SSD on desktop but on a iPad being portable that’s no really practical.
Obviously with FCP and 4K , 6K video with 10bit storage is going to be an issue quickly even with the 1 or 2 TB eventually.

HotStrange

@Lorichs said:

@HotStrange said:

@Lorichs said:
Does “traditional” logic has a video viewer that follows along the transport? This is useful for composing music for video.
It can be done in Auria pro, but i cut my ties with that app.

If such feature is in logic for ipad i might jump in.

Agreed. I think it does but I’m not sure. One option for now is AUVideoPlayer in AUM and using whatever app of choice for your score.

Jep. I have that one. But dispite all the flaws in Auria pro I find that their video viewer runs more smooth than AUvideoPlayer. At least in my setup. Runs fine during playback but when editing it tends to be “jumpy” in Cubasis.

Another thing. After apple removed the mini jack and I once in a while are reading about apple going portless made me fear that they would abandon music on IOS. I think that I can have sigh of relief now.

Ah okay. I never got into Auria and just recently got the video player app and I’ve only used it a handful of times. Hope the dev will commit to it because it’s a great idea. I also like it for running my screen recorder jams through an effect chain to “master” it.