Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

os68ng

21 pages within one day. Will Logic beat Drambo? 🤭

Nevertheless: I stopped using Logic on the desktop long time ago. It reminds me of the ages using a 12" monitor and MacOS 7 (Classic). Never used it on MacOS X. I know that it would require a complete rewrite. Finally this happened now with the iPad version. The screen shots and the list of feature look awesome. Supports all iPads with A12 and higher (iPad pro from Oct. 2018). I will be back using Logic from May 23rd 😊 4,99 per month is a bargain for this product.

matdun25848834

looks interesting and will trial it for a month. Being able to import from Garageband existing projects sounds good

a few points

1) will you be able to midi export a track ?
2) by AU do they mean compatible with MAC AUs, or will devs need to develop - I'm guessing the later
3) will all my existing AUV3s work
4) I'm hoping that iM1 works better than it does with IAA in GB - but still needs to be an AUV3
5) chord pad - is there one, will it be limited to built in sounds
6) the external keyboard integration looks good.
7) I need emvoice or synthv then I won't have to bounce out to windows DAW and back again.
8) Can you name sections ?

cyberheater

@Banquet said:
Also, what is it with the dollar and pound being the same? I just 'asked siri' what $50 is in £ - and it's £39.62, so I'm fed up with getting charged the same pounds as dollars.

Logic Pro for iPad is available as a monthly subscription for just £4.99 or a yearly subscription for £49. You can activate a one‑month free trial after installing Logic Pro from the App Store.

Banquet

@cyberheater said:

@Banquet said:
Also, what is it with the dollar and pound being the same? I just 'asked siri' what $50 is in £ - and it's £39.62, so I'm fed up with getting charged the same pounds as dollars.

Logic Pro for iPad is available as a monthly subscription for just £4.99 or a yearly subscription for £49. You can activate a one‑month free trial after installing Logic Pro from the App Store.

Yes £50 or $50.... but $50 should be £39, or £3.25 a month.

ralis

@Simon said:

@ralis said:
every corporation is trying to figure out how to get you to pay monthly for everything and never ever own anything it is the corporate version of a modern feudal system

I don't think citizens had an "opt in/out" choice in the old feudal system.

You have a choice to subscribe to an app or a cable channel or whatever in the modern world. There is no law forcing you to subscribe.

In time citizens will have no choice. It starts small and becomes normalized then it is all that there is. That is how the Feudal system works and this is the new modern version

There are laws in California that say you have to “subscribe” to the power company even if you have your own solar system, you still must pay the power company and feed them the power from your solar or you will not have a residency permit and you cannot live in your house and it will be demolished at your expense. I had a perfectly working septic system, I was forced to pay thousands to hook up to the town sewer system and pay their monthly “subscription” fee for the right to use it. You can legally use composting toilets in California under the “green act” but you still must pay to hook up the sewer and pay monthly to use it even if you do not.

But just in case you are interested I have a coffee mug you can subscribe to, for just 50 cents a month you can use it . You must pay for a year in advance that will be automatically renewed. Shipping and handling not included

Krupa

@Banquet said:

@cyberheater said:

@Banquet said:
Also, what is it with the dollar and pound being the same? I just 'asked siri' what $50 is in £ - and it's £39.62, so I'm fed up with getting charged the same pounds as dollars.

Logic Pro for iPad is available as a monthly subscription for just £4.99 or a yearly subscription for £49. You can activate a one‑month free trial after installing Logic Pro from the App Store.

Yes £50 or $50.... but $50 should be £39, or £3.25 a month.

I think the difference is that we in the UK already see the tax, whereas in the states it’s added after, so depending where you are it’ll be a different amount more than the headline fifty bucks…maybe I’m wrong though and a U.S. person can set this straight

Sam23

However, you can cancel anytime, making it easy to pay for them only when you need them.

cyberheater

@Banquet said:

@cyberheater said:

@Banquet said:
Also, what is it with the dollar and pound being the same? I just 'asked siri' what $50 is in £ - and it's £39.62, so I'm fed up with getting charged the same pounds as dollars.

Logic Pro for iPad is available as a monthly subscription for just £4.99 or a yearly subscription for £49. You can activate a one‑month free trial after installing Logic Pro from the App Store.

Yes £50 or $50.... but $50 should be £39, or £3.25 a month.

I don't know if a VPN would help. Don't think the US has sales tax for these types of transactions.

knewspeak

@cyberheater said:

@Banquet said:

@cyberheater said:

@Banquet said:
Also, what is it with the dollar and pound being the same? I just 'asked siri' what $50 is in £ - and it's £39.62, so I'm fed up with getting charged the same pounds as dollars.

Logic Pro for iPad is available as a monthly subscription for just £4.99 or a yearly subscription for £49. You can activate a one‑month free trial after installing Logic Pro from the App Store.

Yes £50 or $50.... but $50 should be £39, or £3.25 a month.

I don't know if a VPN would help. Don't think the US has sales tax for these types of transactions.

Sales tax I believe varies from State to State so price in USD doesn’t apply tax directly at the point of sale in this circumstance.

Krupa

@knewspeak said:

@cyberheater said:

@Banquet said:

@cyberheater said:

@Banquet said:
Also, what is it with the dollar and pound being the same? I just 'asked siri' what $50 is in £ - and it's £39.62, so I'm fed up with getting charged the same pounds as dollars.

Logic Pro for iPad is available as a monthly subscription for just £4.99 or a yearly subscription for £49. You can activate a one‑month free trial after installing Logic Pro from the App Store.

Yes £50 or $50.... but $50 should be £39, or £3.25 a month.

I don't know if a VPN would help. Don't think the US has sales tax for these types of transactions.

Sales tax I believe varies from State to State so price in USD doesn’t apply tax directly at the point of sale in this circumstance.

Ah maybe, though I thought I saw some people complaining about it here some time back…

[Deleted User]

21 pages but very few valuable post as we are in a wait and see . Opinion will be more facts once we all be testing the free period.

desktop user of Logic have no information about the future of their Logic Pro X too.

It’s all the music industry which is waiting now not only the iOS community

jacou

@ralis said:

@Simon said:

@ralis said:
every corporation is trying to figure out how to get you to pay monthly for everything and never ever own anything it is the corporate version of a modern feudal system

I don't think citizens had an "opt in/out" choice in the old feudal system.

You have a choice to subscribe to an app or a cable channel or whatever in the modern world. There is no law forcing you to subscribe.

In time citizens will have no choice. It starts small and becomes normalized then it is all that there is. That is how the Feudal system works and this is the new modern version

There are laws in California that say you have to “subscribe” to the power company even if you have your own solar system, you still must pay the power company and feed them the power from your solar or you will not have a residency permit and you cannot live in your house and it will be demolished at your expense. I had a perfectly working septic system, I was forced to pay thousands to hook up to the town sewer system and pay their monthly “subscription” fee for the right to use it. You can legally use composting toilets in California under the “green act” but you still must pay to hook up the sewer and pay monthly to use it even if you do not.

But just in case you are interested I have a coffee mug you can subscribe to, for just 50 cents a month you can use it . You must pay for a year in advance that will be automatically renewed. Shipping and handling not included

A sad picture of the future. Might be true but hopefully people will keep rising up and shake up the corporate world. I’m probably more optimistic seeing rather little support for neo liberal parties here in Germany. But that might change. Let’s see..
Where are you from?

knewspeak

@BerlinFx said:
21 pages but very few valuable post as we are in a wait and see . Opinion will be more facts once we all be testing the free period.

desktop user of Logic have no information about the future of their Logic Pro X too.

It’s all the music industry which is waiting now not only the iOS community

Uncertainty indeed, will the desktop be a subs service, separate to the iOS version or one for both systems or will it remain as fully purchasable. Then there’s compatibility. Plugins not available to both systems and hardware.

[Deleted User]

@knewspeak said:

@BerlinFx said:
21 pages but very few valuable post as we are in a wait and see . Opinion will be more facts once we all be testing the free period.

desktop user of Logic have no information about the future of their Logic Pro X too.

It’s all the music industry which is waiting now not only the iOS community

Uncertainty indeed, will the desktop be a subs service, separate to the iOS version or one for both systems or will it remain as fully purchasable. Then there’s compatibility. Plugins not available to both systems and hardware.

Yes all are key questions far beyond only opinion about subscription model that is not new for pro apps at all see Adobe.

And as I understand it will implement new AI that even doesn’t exist in our Desktop Logic x.

Ok you will not have Atmos Dolby in the first release , certainly because they rely on Dolby and need to reach an agreement with Sony. But most of the sound engineers doesn’t bother about Dolby Atmos.

jacou

@knewspeak said:

@BerlinFx said:
21 pages but very few valuable post as we are in a wait and see . Opinion will be more facts once we all be testing the free period.

desktop user of Logic have no information about the future of their Logic Pro X too.

It’s all the music industry which is waiting now not only the iOS community

Uncertainty indeed, will the desktop be a subs service, separate to the iOS version or one for both systems or will it remain as fully purchasable. Then there’s compatibility. Plugins not available to both systems and hardware.

I’m sure Apple will watch very closely now how the new pro app sub service is running on iPad. Lets hope for the best.

Simon

@ralis said:
In time citizens will have no choice. It starts small and becomes normalized then it is all that there is. That is how the Feudal system works and this is the new modern version

There are laws in California that say you have to “subscribe” to the power company even if you have your own solar system, you still must pay the power company and feed them the power from your solar or you will not have a residency permit and you cannot live in your house and it will be demolished at your expense. I had a perfectly working septic system, I was forced to pay thousands to hook up to the town sewer system and pay their monthly “subscription” fee for the right to use it. You can legally use composting toilets in California under the “green act” but you still must pay to hook up the sewer and pay monthly to use it even if you do not.

My goodness - I'm glad I don't live in California!

Well, there might be laws about power and sewerage where you live but thankfully there are no laws about having to buy apps. You are off the hook on that score.

OnfraySin

@Mountain_Hamlet said:
I just read through the Apple page. Honestly, this thing is going to sell a lot of subscriptions. $50 USD a year. It’s going to be popular and I’m now going to have to by myself a new iPad.

Except for 4 grumpy audiobus forum users (Pokemon-a-like where they need to catch every synth and every effect paying 99 cents in Black friday), LP is the gate for the music industry to iPad and is the major new for the music production on iPad since the beginning.

[Deleted User]

@OnfraySin said:

@Mountain_Hamlet said:
I just read through the Apple page. Honestly, this thing is going to sell a lot of subscriptions. $50 USD a year. It’s going to be popular and I’m now going to have to by myself a new iPad.

Except for 4 grumpy audiobus forum users (Pokemon-a-like where they need to catch every synth and every effect paying 99 cents in Black friday), LP is the gate for the music industry to iPad and is the major new for the music production on iPad since the beginning.

+1

natuurlijk

@NeuM said:

@gregsmith said:
Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

The mind boggles. A person will have all the firepower of a full-fledged studio at hand wherever they go now. It's just amazing.

To be fair, anyone with a laptop has had this option for many many years already. It’s no longer mind boggling. It’s been an everyday thing for me for well over a decade.

Sam23

@natuurlijk said:

@NeuM said:

@gregsmith said:
Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

The mind boggles. A person will have all the firepower of a full-fledged studio at hand wherever they go now. It's just amazing.

To be fair, anyone with a laptop has had this option for many many years already. It’s no longer mind boggling. It’s been an everyday thing for me for well over a decade.

TOUCHscreen, that`s it for me👍

natuurlijk

@Lady_App_titude said:

@zzrwood said:

@Lady_App_titude said:

@zzrwood said:
$1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
And people are complaining???
I don’t understand….

I don't rent anything. It is terrible for the customers. I can't believe that anyone would think $1 a week is a good thing.

Logic Pro for iPad would never have been developed if the business case tried to price it at $4.99 for purchase…
Would that have been a good thing?

Sure. We don't need it. We have Cubasis. We have Resolve. I would rather it did not come to iPad than be rental only.

How will you cope when it’s released? What will you do?

natuurlijk

@Danny_Mammy said:

@NeuM said:

@Danny_Mammy said:
why do people keep bringing up the so called cheap cost? its really not the point when it comes to subscription. the cost can change each year. It can be doubled if the company wishes.

It could be, but Apple doesn't need to. They just have to barely cover the cost of development and maintain the software. This same theory was applied to the App Store so people would get used to the idea of having millions of apps at low cost available to them. Logic Pro will be a "loss leader" to sell hardware, but to avoid charges of "unfair competition" (which we keep seeing from places like the EU) they are safer to charge for the product than to give it away for free.

Apple don't need to but they can if they want to, each year they can change the price easy. that's the subscription rub.
However price is not the top issue, I want to pay a one off fee for my products. No rentals.

Will you be subscribing to Logic Pro for iPad? It looks good eh?

natuurlijk

@LostInFoundation said:
About subscription (and people saying the ones not liking it are just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.

What if, FOR ONE TIME, instead of arguing between us, we could unite and try to convince Apple to give us the choice?

If we all start sending Apple requests about a one purchase possibility on top of subscriptions instead of writing it here and then playing the “I’m right and subscriptions are good” “No, I am right and I want to pay and keep what I own” game, maybe we could convince them to give every user what fits better for him.

Lately some users “class act” worked (see Waves), so maybe we could learn from it and start thinking users acting United DO HAVE some voice on the matter

No, that won’t work. I don’t think I’ll bother.

ErrkaPetti

@pepebaõ said:
It’s here ! Surprising.

Well, I don't think Apple’s goal is to replace the Mac and studio equipment.

You will notice that the introduction clip shows almost no sound recording. The work is done on virtual instruments, and takes advantage of the touch screen to create automations etc.

Looks like an advanced user modeling tool. Garageband on steroïds.

I almost expect a massive amount of Logic Pro X features to be missing.

For example, I can't wait to see if they will include the groove templates that I use a lot.

And the 80Gb library ? Anybody has rumours about it ?

Anyway, it will still be missing what makes the difference with the desktop version: the huge catalog of plugins.

But I’ll give it a try, for sure !

You’re wrong here…
Logic Pro for iPad will be a complete replica of Logic Pro for Mac, but, with touch optimizations…

Gavinski

I agree with this - what was that auto tune app that was released as a sub recently? There was huge backlash against it and I got the impression that hardly anyone subbed, at least not to the annual subscription. Shortly after a similar app was released as a one off purchase and anyone interested in auto tune went for that instead. People will make an exception for Logic Pro and a handful of special apps, but if all devs think they can now go subscription-based off the back of this, they need a serious reality check.

@Simon said:
.> @Lady_App_titude said:

If they can succeed in normalizing music software renting, the flood gates are open.

I don't think there will be a "flood".

Apple can get away with subs with Logic, but only because it is such a huge and important app that offers so much for $5 a month.

For other apps to go sub would be very risky for the developer. So much iOS music app buying is built on a kind of "impulse purchase" that works very differently to signing up for a subscrption.

Most of us have dozens or hundreds of apps on our devices. If they were apps that needed a subscrption I would think that the number would be 10 or less.

Mostly we see a hot, new app and think "oh, that looks like fun to try and it only costs $8", so we buy it. If getting the app required signing up for a subscription then the number of apps downloaded would be way, way less.

ErrkaPetti

@pepebaõ said:

@Lady_App_titude said:
How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

This feels like.. finally passing the canteen to that thirsty man begging in the desert, and then filling it with piss.

This guy heard your call

Don’t listen to this braindead guy - too much smoking drugs that he lost his language and thinking capacity…
If you don’t like subscription, don’t “buy” Logic Pro for iPad - simple as that…

Gavinski

@Lorichs said:

@HotStrange said:

@Lorichs said:
Does “traditional” logic has a video viewer that follows along the transport? This is useful for composing music for video.
It can be done in Auria pro, but i cut my ties with that app.

If such feature is in logic for ipad i might jump in.

Agreed. I think it does but I’m not sure. One option for now is AUVideoPlayer in AUM and using whatever app of choice for your score.

Jep. I have that one. But dispite all the flaws in Auria pro I find that their video viewer runs more smooth than AUvideoPlayer. At least in my setup. Runs fine during playback but when editing it tends to be “jumpy” in Cubasis.

Another thing. After apple removed the mini jack and I once in a while are reading about apple going portless made me fear that they would abandon music on IOS. I think that I can have sigh of relief now.

This is a great free video player that can be minimized really small and float over other apps, perfect for using to view video in aum or whatever while scoring. 5 bucks gets you the ad free version

Gavinski

@Mountain_Hamlet said:
I just read through the Apple page. Honestly, this thing is going to sell a lot of subscriptions. $50 USD a year. It’s going to be popular and I’m now going to have to by myself a new iPad.

Yeah 50 bucks a year or 5 bucks a month is laughably tiny, I really can't see the fuss

Gavinski

@HotStrange said:

@ik2000 said:
Come on folks… I’m laughing at the comments here lambasting Apple for going to a subscription model for the app that many have been calling for. Wake up… get with the 21st century… the subscription business model is here to stay. How many of you actually rent your home versus how many pay a monthly mortgage? If the (what can only be described as small) monthly subscription cost is not a price you want to pay for what will probably be the best DAW on ipad, then that’s fine, but STOP going on about it. You have a choice to go elsewhere. Buy a windows PC and android tablet and do your music thing on that! (This is my final post of subscription of LP)

Agreed. Everyone wanted it. Now it’s here and some people can’t stop with the ranting about the subscription model, which I think it’s very reasonably priced. If apple would’ve announced it with a $200+ price tag people would be complaining just as much. Hell a few pages back someone mentioned it would’ve been a one time price of $50 which is laughable for something this huge. Kinda disappointing, honestly. Luckily the majority of people seem excited. Just sucks the thread is derailed every 10 comments with the same complaint.

C'mon, AB Forum is a whingers paradise lol. Yes, you're right, if it was priced at desktop parity as a one off, many people would still be bitching just as hard. Hard crowd here!

Simon

@ErrkaPetti said:
Don’t listen to this braindead guy - too much smoking drugs that he lost his language and thinking capacity…

Some foreign Johnny who needs a damn good haircut or a jolly good flogging!