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Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

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  • I hope to see a more detailed look at LPX4IPAD soon

  • @SUPEREUROBEAT said:
    Try Digital Performer, it's even more archaic, still the only daw I literally couldn't figure out.

    Haha, it's the only program I understand well and feel that I can do what I want without thinking too much 😆. It's the first DAW I used, so I'm biassed definitely. I admit Logic has done something more convenient, but I have look up help often. Can't wrap my head around Live at all. To each his own, I'm sure. 👍

  • edited May 2023

    @el_bo said:
    Sincere apologies to @Lady_App_titude We clearly hold very different ideas about this whole situation, but in the tussle I think we ended up talking past each other. I'll take responsibility for that. Anyway, trying to steer clear of arguments, past the point of trying to clearly state my own position. Certainly don't want to accuse others of having intentions that they may not actually have.

    I'll extend this apology to anyone else who felt my replies in this thread could've been seen as gate-keeping.

    Cheers.

    All good. I'm not following this thread anymore, but part of what was happening for me was I was reading and replying here and at the same time privately texting to my Apple programmer friend, and that got quite intense in itself (he is seriously bummed to see something he and his colleagues worked on so hard go this way and had a lot of strong comments about it), and some of that may have gotten crossed over. Anyway, all good. I'm happy for people who will finally get Logic and FCP on iOS. I don't use either app, and am not sure we need such full blown apps on iOS, but of course it's great if someone needs it. The main appeal for me about iOS is that both the hardware and the software were cheaper, considerably cheaper, which made it super exciting around 2014. But when it becomes just as expensive as desktop, then it starts to feel like an inferior, more limited version of what is easier and cheaper to do on desktop. My main concern is anything that tries to replace the traditional model with subs on either platform and how this feels like it could have implications beyond iOS.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:

    @el_bo said:
    Sincere apologies to @Lady_App_titude We clearly hold very different ideas about this whole situation, but in the tussle I think we ended up talking past each other. I'll take responsibility for that. Anyway, trying to steer clear of arguments, past the point of trying to clearly state my own position. Certainly don't want to accuse others of having intentions that they may not actually have.

    I'll extend this apology to anyone else who felt my replies in this thread could've been seen as gate-keeping.

    Cheers.

    All good. I'm not following this thread anymore, but part of what was happening for me was I was reading and replying here and at the same time privately texting to my Apple programmer friend, and that got quite intense in itself (he is seriously bummed to see something he and his colleagues worked on so hard go this way and had a lot of strong comments about it), and some of that may have gotten crossed over. Anyway, all good. I'm happy for people who will finally get Logic and FCP on iOS. I don't use either app, and am not sure we need such full blown apps on iOS, but of course it's great if someone needs it. The main appeal for me about iOS is that both the hardware and the software were cheaper, considerably cheaper, which made it super exciting around 2014. But when it becomes just as expensive as desktop, then it starts to feel like an inferior, more limited version of what is easier and cheaper to do on desktop. My main concern is anything that tries to replace the traditional model with subs on either platform and how this feels like it could have implications beyond iOS.

    I still hope that this increasing expense of making music on iOS, hence, lack of differentiation from desktop, will lead indie ios devs back to making exciting touch screen based apps that blow the JUCE ports to shit in terms of UX. I see that as one of the only ways they can compete.

  • @Gavinski said:

    I still hope that this increasing expense of making music on iOS, hence, lack of differentiation from desktop, will lead indie ios devs back to making exciting touch screen based apps that blow the JUCE ports to shit in terms of UX. I see that as one of the only ways they can compete.

    Yes and of course now you can use some iOS apps on Apple Silicon Macs... It's inevitable the two will spill into each other. Ha! Wouldn't it be funny using iOS Logic on a desktop Mac! Who knows... But besides the software, hardware is getting closer and closer to the same pricing. An iPad Pro can cost more than a Mac Mini!

  • edited May 2023

    https://www.macworld.com/article/1816449/leaker-analyst941-twitter-busted-apple-sting-operation.html

    In the message, the leaker describes how Apple found them out. Over time, Apple gave a different set of false information about upcoming products to various employees suspected of being the source of leaks. It looks like @analyst941’s sister, an Apple employee, got specific supposed release dates for Final Cut Pro and Logic on iPad. The combination of release dates they posted–Final Cut Pro coming in 2024 and Logic in 2025–was unique to his sister, and the source of the leaks thus identified.


    btw,,,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230505140646/https://twitter.com/analyst941

    https://twitter.com/chrism4fia/status/1656642171770945537?s=61&t=Uj1YYivVZgND7sbwC2i7RA

  • edited May 2023

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    An iPad Pro can cost more than a Mac Mini!

    Hmm…yeah, my 16/512 Mini, plus really good 27” 4k monitor came to a total of £1349 last year. A similar specced 12” iPad Pro comes to £1599.

    Ouch.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    My main concern is anything that tries to replace the traditional model with subs on either platform and how this feels like it could have implications beyond iOS.

    I wouldn't worry too much about it. Not only are many apps and developer outfits not suitable for a sub model, but there's not a big enough 'pot' for all to prosper. Some will chance their arm, miscalculate and fall by the wayside, but hopefully many will be self-aware enough to know their place in the market and keep doing what it is they're doing. And don't forget there are obviously going to be developers who are as anti-sub, on principal, as anyone of the general public. Remember, developers are also, themselves, consumers. if they wouldn't stand for it in every product they consume, then they're unlikely to try and adopt similar plan for their own products.

    Unfortunately, the whole subs thing seems to have fallen in with general 'politically'-charged motivations. People are so anti-anything that has the slight stink of the so-called great reset etc. that it seems to remove any real objectivity. My hope is that eventually consumers will stop with the immediate knee-jerk anti-ness of all of this, to a more nuanced position in which it can be acknowledged that actually, in various cases, a sub might be the best option.

    Who knows ;)

  • @Sam23 said:
    https://www.macworld.com/article/1816449/leaker-analyst941-twitter-busted-apple-sting-operation.html

    In the message, the leaker describes how Apple found them out. Over time, Apple gave a different set of false information about upcoming products to various employees suspected of being the source of leaks. It looks like @analyst941’s sister, an Apple employee, got specific supposed release dates for Final Cut Pro and Logic on iPad. The combination of release dates they posted–Final Cut Pro coming in 2024 and Logic in 2025–was unique to his sister, and the source of the leaks thus identified.


    btw,,,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230505140646/https://twitter.com/analyst941

    https://twitter.com/chrism4fia/status/1656642171770945537?s=61&t=Uj1YYivVZgND7sbwC2i7RA

    I saw that. It's a shame if true. Pity you lose your job over not being able to keep your mouth shut.

  • @el_bo said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    My main concern is anything that tries to replace the traditional model with subs on either platform and how this feels like it could have implications beyond iOS.

    I wouldn't worry too much about it. Not only are many apps and developer outfits not suitable for a sub model, but there's not a big enough 'pot' for all to prosper. Some will chance their arm, miscalculate and fall by the wayside, but hopefully many will be self-aware enough to know their place in the market and keep doing what it is they're doing. And don't forget there are obviously going to be developers who are as anti-sub, on principal, as anyone of the general public. Remember, developers are also, themselves, consumers. if they wouldn't stand for it in every product they consume, then they're unlikely to try and adopt similar plan for their own products.

    Unfortunately, the whole subs thing seems to have fallen in with general 'politically'-charged motivations. People are so anti-anything that has the slight stink of the so-called great reset etc. that it seems to remove any real objectivity. My hope is that eventually consumers will stop with the immediate knee-jerk anti-ness of all of this, to a more nuanced position in which it can be acknowledged that actually, in various cases, a sub might be the best option.

    Who knows ;)

    Good point about devs and subs. For example, Carlo, the Audiothing dev, mentioned on Hainbach's Noises stream last night that he would never ever consider a subscription model, as he just finds it unfair and in some ways counterproductive to development of new apps. In some ways, it forces devs to keep adding shit that may not be needed to existing apps just to keep up the illusion of the value propositon, which will be a hindrance to creating new apps.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @Sam23 said:
    https://www.macworld.com/article/1816449/leaker-analyst941-twitter-busted-apple-sting-operation.html

    In the message, the leaker describes how Apple found them out. Over time, Apple gave a different set of false information about upcoming products to various employees suspected of being the source of leaks. It looks like @analyst941’s sister, an Apple employee, got specific supposed release dates for Final Cut Pro and Logic on iPad. The combination of release dates they posted–Final Cut Pro coming in 2024 and Logic in 2025–was unique to his sister, and the source of the leaks thus identified.


    btw,,,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230505140646/https://twitter.com/analyst941

    https://twitter.com/chrism4fia/status/1656642171770945537?s=61&t=Uj1YYivVZgND7sbwC2i7RA

    I saw that. It's a shame if true. Pity you lose your job over not being able to keep your mouth shut.

    It's a tactic that Apple has used to expose leakers for a long time. If sister knew her brother was going public with her insider info then I'm afraid she shouldn't be too surprised to have gotten caught.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @el_bo said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    My main concern is anything that tries to replace the traditional model with subs on either platform and how this feels like it could have implications beyond iOS.

    I wouldn't worry too much about it. Not only are many apps and developer outfits not suitable for a sub model, but there's not a big enough 'pot' for all to prosper. Some will chance their arm, miscalculate and fall by the wayside, but hopefully many will be self-aware enough to know their place in the market and keep doing what it is they're doing. And don't forget there are obviously going to be developers who are as anti-sub, on principal, as anyone of the general public. Remember, developers are also, themselves, consumers. if they wouldn't stand for it in every product they consume, then they're unlikely to try and adopt similar plan for their own products.

    Unfortunately, the whole subs thing seems to have fallen in with general 'politically'-charged motivations. People are so anti-anything that has the slight stink of the so-called great reset etc. that it seems to remove any real objectivity. My hope is that eventually consumers will stop with the immediate knee-jerk anti-ness of all of this, to a more nuanced position in which it can be acknowledged that actually, in various cases, a sub might be the best option.

    Who knows ;)

    Good point about devs and subs. For example, Carlo, the Audiothing dev, mentioned on Hainbach's Noises stream last night that he would never ever consider a subscription model, as he just finds it unfair and in some ways counterproductive to development of new apps. In some ways, it forces devs to keep adding shit that may not be needed to existing apps just to keep up the illusion of the value propositon, which will be a hindrance to creating new apps.

    A perfect example, indeed!

    I enjoyed that stream, although i've yet to finish it. Been waiting on that app, but don't think i can currently get it. Will definitely watch what others do with it, and keep it on my very short list ;)

  • @TurnItUp said:
    10 years ago I downloaded NanoStudio hoping some day Logic would arrive. Today here we are. What a wild ride.

    I have converted almost entirely to iPad since then. This most likely will take me off my laptop finally.

    I was begrudgingly heading the other way IPad to laptop this might just secure my iPad exclusivity! 🙏🏼

  • @Sam23 said:
    https://www.macworld.com/article/1816449/leaker-analyst941-twitter-busted-apple-sting-operation.html

    In the message, the leaker describes how Apple found them out. Over time, Apple gave a different set of false information about upcoming products to various employees suspected of being the source of leaks. It looks like @analyst941’s sister, an Apple employee, got specific supposed release dates for Final Cut Pro and Logic on iPad. The combination of release dates they posted–Final Cut Pro coming in 2024 and Logic in 2025–was unique to his sister, and the source of the leaks thus identified.

    btw,,,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230505140646/https://twitter.com/analyst941

    https://twitter.com/chrism4fia/status/1656642171770945537?s=61&t=Uj1YYivVZgND7sbwC2i7RA

    That person deleting their account won't save their skin. Apple can demand email and phone records from their sister in the course of prosecution for leaking confidential and highly valuable business information. They'll both be sued and they should be.

  • edited May 2023

    @mjm1138 said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @Sam23 said:
    https://www.macworld.com/article/1816449/leaker-analyst941-twitter-busted-apple-sting-operation.html

    In the message, the leaker describes how Apple found them out. Over time, Apple gave a different set of false information about upcoming products to various employees suspected of being the source of leaks. It looks like @analyst941’s sister, an Apple employee, got specific supposed release dates for Final Cut Pro and Logic on iPad. The combination of release dates they posted–Final Cut Pro coming in 2024 and Logic in 2025–was unique to his sister, and the source of the leaks thus identified.


    btw,,,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230505140646/https://twitter.com/analyst941

    https://twitter.com/chrism4fia/status/1656642171770945537?s=61&t=Uj1YYivVZgND7sbwC2i7RA

    I saw that. It's a shame if true. Pity you lose your job over not being able to keep your mouth shut.

    It's a tactic that Apple has used to expose leakers for a long time. If sister knew her brother was going public with her insider info then I'm afraid she shouldn't be too surprised to have gotten caught.

    If she or her brother(?) couldn't keep a secret, she should never have taken the job or signed the requisite NDAs. Leakers should be harshly prosecuted if they violate the law and their employment agreement. No one who cannot keep their mouth shut should choose to work for Apple. Seriously.

  • @Samu said:
    Just waiting for the Manuals for the iPad LogicPro leak from somewhere...
    ...it will be an interesting read for sure! (I love to be 'prepared' when I 'dig in').

    I also love a good manual! Can't wait to read through this one, hopefully before the 23rd...

  • @NeuM said:

    @mjm1138 said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @Sam23 said:
    https://www.macworld.com/article/1816449/leaker-analyst941-twitter-busted-apple-sting-operation.html

    In the message, the leaker describes how Apple found them out. Over time, Apple gave a different set of false information about upcoming products to various employees suspected of being the source of leaks. It looks like @analyst941’s sister, an Apple employee, got specific supposed release dates for Final Cut Pro and Logic on iPad. The combination of release dates they posted–Final Cut Pro coming in 2024 and Logic in 2025–was unique to his sister, and the source of the leaks thus identified.


    btw,,,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230505140646/https://twitter.com/analyst941

    https://twitter.com/chrism4fia/status/1656642171770945537?s=61&t=Uj1YYivVZgND7sbwC2i7RA

    I saw that. It's a shame if true. Pity you lose your job over not being able to keep your mouth shut.

    It's a tactic that Apple has used to expose leakers for a long time. If sister knew her brother was going public with her insider info then I'm afraid she shouldn't be too surprised to have gotten caught.

    If she or her brother(?) couldn't keep a secret, she should never have taken the job or signed the requisite NDAs. Leakers should be harshly prosecuted if they violate the law and their employment agreement. No one who cannot keep their mouth shut should choose to work for Apple. Seriously.

    Yes, I agree with this. I'm an Infosec professional, so I take this stuff very seriously. There are things I hear about at my job that I don't share with anyone, including my wife. You can get in trouble not just with your employer, but with the SEC if you're working for a public company.

  • @Carnbot said:
    Subscription is not a magic bullet which means an app will last forever, at any time it can be pulled just like any software and it that case cannot be reinstalled. For me LP is old desktop software being retro-fitted to sell new ipad hardware and it's life cycle is not predictable at all. The software market is going to change hugely over the next 10 years due to various technology shifts with AI so no one can predict how much life LP has. I hope it lasts a long time for those who do subscribe of course, but for me the iPad is much more suited to more modern modular apps which can be built around different workflows. I think the future of software is likely to be very different for pro users. It's nice to see people excited about it, but for me the app is very uninspiring.

    Yeah, A.I. is gonna result in ultrafast coding. In fact I just told Bard to generate some code to convert an app. to AuV3. It did it in less than a minute. So I'm gonna sell the code to Korg for about $200k, use that profit to invest in a 25 year Logic Pro/FinalCut Pro for Ipad Sub:

    Bard: Sure, here is the Swift code to convert an app into an AUv3 plugin:

    Swift
    import AudioKit

    // Create a new AUv3 plugin
    let plugin = AudioKit.AUv3Plugin(name: "MyPlugin")

    // Add the audio processing code to the plugin
    plugin.audioProcessingBlock = { (inBuffer, outBuffer, frames) in
    // Do your audio processing here
    }

    // Register the plugin with AudioKit
    AudioKit.registerPlugin(plugin)

    // Export the plugin
    plugin.export(to: "/path/to/output/directory")

  • edited May 2023

    https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/production-expert-1/universal-audios-vp-technology-and-chief-architect-moves-to-apple

    I wonder if there will be some bigger announcements to build the hype soon.

    Or maybe it means the UAD guy moved to apple to develop exclusive plugins for logic pro only?

  • I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

  • @PhilW said:
    I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

    You can still use the older model Pencil with the newer iPads, you just don’t get the full benefit of the new features, like hover over.

  • @NeuM said:

    @PhilW said:
    I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

    You can still use the older model Pencil with the newer iPads, you just don’t get the full benefit of the new features, like hover over.

    There are 2 generations of Apple Pencil, the first gen has a lightning connector to charge it and it's not compatible with any of the USB-C iPad Pros.

  • @NeuM said:

    @PhilW said:
    I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

    You can still use the older model Pencil with the newer iPads, you just don’t get the full benefit of the new features, like hover over.

    Oh OK, that was not my understanding, thanks for the clarification.

  • @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @PhilW said:
    I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

    You can still use the older model Pencil with the newer iPads, you just don’t get the full benefit of the new features, like hover over.

    There are 2 generations of Apple Pencil, the first gen has a lightning connector to charge it and it's not compatible with any of the USB-C iPad Pros.

    Ah, right. I forgot about that power connector change.

  • @PhilW said:

    @NeuM said:

    @PhilW said:
    I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

    You can still use the older model Pencil with the newer iPads, you just don’t get the full benefit of the new features, like hover over.

    Oh OK, that was not my understanding, thanks for the clarification.

    You will need a new Apple Pencil if you get a new iPad, but the good news is that the resale value of the 1st gen Pencil is still quite high, I got £65 for mine on eBay when I sold it in January.

  • Some info from someone who has actually seen the app:

  • @Simon said:
    Some info from someone who has actually seen the app:

    Good video. Thanks for posting

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