Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

NeuM · May 2023

@Gavinski said:

@richardyot said:

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@richardyot said:

@NeuM said:

@PhilW said:
I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

You can still use the older model Pencil with the newer iPads, you just don’t get the full benefit of the new features, like hover over.

There are 2 generations of Apple Pencil, the first gen has a lightning connector to charge it and it's not compatible with any of the USB-C iPad Pros.

Ah, right. I forgot about that power connector change.

Can u use a lightning to usb connector to charge it?

Yes, but that's not really the issue: the 1st gen Pencil will not work with newer iPads, only the gen 2 is recognised.

Ah, so what NeuM said was just completely wrong, OK, cheers!

Yep. I had forgotten about the change in how the second generation Pencil charges (attached magnetically to the top... long side...) instead of being charged in the data port.

NeuM · May 2023

@Gavinski said:
Music Putty will likely suffer much more, having an annual sub of about 30 bucks, ie not much less than the subscription for logic. I wonder if they'll switch to a one off purchase model. The idea that many people would be willing to pay a subscription for a pitch correction app always struck me as deeply misguided.

Well, none of us (developers included) anticipated the appearance of Logic Pro for iPadOS. So yes, they will have to radically rethink their product.

sigma79 · May 2023

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:

@richardyot said:

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@richardyot said:

@NeuM said:

@PhilW said:
I’d happily pay £50 a year for LP. Sadly I can’t afford to upgrade my iPad Pro (1st Gen) at the moment, so it’s a bit moot. And Apple did p*** me off when they made my Apple Pen incompatible with newer iPads…

You can still use the older model Pencil with the newer iPads, you just don’t get the full benefit of the new features, like hover over.

There are 2 generations of Apple Pencil, the first gen has a lightning connector to charge it and it's not compatible with any of the USB-C iPad Pros.

Ah, right. I forgot about that power connector change.

Can u use a lightning to usb connector to charge it?

Yes, but that's not really the issue: the 1st gen Pencil will not work with newer iPads, only the gen 2 is recognised.

Ah, so what NeuM said was just completely wrong, OK, cheers!

Yep. I had forgotten about the change in how the second generation Pencil charges (attached magnetically to the top... long side...) instead of being charged in the data port.

You can buy an apple adaptor.

https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MQLU3ZM/A/usb-c-to-apple-pencil-adapter

CaelumAudio · May 2023

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:
Music Putty will likely suffer much more, having an annual sub of about 30 bucks, ie not much less than the subscription for logic. I wonder if they'll switch to a one off purchase model. The idea that many people would be willing to pay a subscription for a pitch correction app always struck me as deeply misguided.

Well, none of us (developers included) anticipated the appearance of Logic Pro for iPadOS. So yes, they will have to radically rethink their product.

Yes, I've been onto my contact at apple and they don't even know yet if they will be doing a pre-release developer seed like they do for macOS 🤨

Eschatone · May 2023

This will finally be the excuse I needed to get a 2nd gen Apple Pencil for my A12X iPad Pro. Should be worth it for precise sample edits and automation design.

Going to hold off another year or two before upgrading to new hardware. Hoping those rumors of a 16-inch iPad Pro come to fruition!

HotStrange · May 2023

@Gavinski said:
Music Putty will likely suffer much more, having an annual sub of about 30 bucks, ie not much less than the subscription for logic. I wonder if they'll switch to a one off purchase model. The idea that many people would be willing to pay a subscription for a pitch correction app always struck me as deeply misguided.

The one thing MusicPutty has going for it, imo, is the ease of use. But with that said I’ve only used the free version. Definitely think it may suffer though unfortunately. And they seem to be a good Dev. I haven’t tried Shaper synth but it has great reviews.

HotStrange · May 2023

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Gavinski · May 2023

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Various things. From the description {note especially the last line):

Like a real instrument, Sculpture generates sounds by using an object, such as a fingertip, wind, drumstick, or violin bow, to stimulate another object, such as a guitar string or reed.

Note: For clarity, the stimulated object is always referred to as the string.

HotStrange · May 2023

@Gavinski said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Various things. From the description {note especially the last line):

Like a real instrument, Sculpture generates sounds by using an object, such as a fingertip, wind, drumstick, or violin bow, to stimulate another object, such as a guitar string or reed.

Note: For clarity, the stimulated object is always referred to as the string.

Thanks! I’m really stoked about this. I’m hoping it’s the full Monty. If so, that’ll answer a lot of wants for iOS synths right now.

NeuM · May 2023

@CaelumAudio said:

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:
Music Putty will likely suffer much more, having an annual sub of about 30 bucks, ie not much less than the subscription for logic. I wonder if they'll switch to a one off purchase model. The idea that many people would be willing to pay a subscription for a pitch correction app always struck me as deeply misguided.

Well, none of us (developers included) anticipated the appearance of Logic Pro for iPadOS. So yes, they will have to radically rethink their product.

Yes, I've been onto my contact at apple and they don't even know yet if they will be doing a pre-release developer seed like they do for macOS 🤨

Hmm... that's interesting. No heads up whatsoever?

NeuM · May 2023

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open (the two red bars are covering the names of presets that did not come with the standard set):

HotStrange · May 2023

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open:

Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

NeuM · May 2023

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open:

Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

LOL. Yes, a number of the built-in synths and effects look completely outdated, but they are very powerful tools for sound design. I really would not mind seeing them redesigned just to make them look more modern.

HotStrange · May 2023

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open:

Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

LOL. Yes, a number of the built-in synths and effects look completely outdated, but they are very powerful tools for sound design. I really would not mind seeing them redesigned just to make them look more modern.

Oh yeah so many of them look way outdated I guess I just figured apples own would look more modern. But hey as long as it’s works 😂

NeuM · May 2023

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open:

Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

LOL. Yes, a number of the built-in synths and effects look completely outdated, but they are very powerful tools for sound design. I really would not mind seeing them redesigned just to make them look more modern.

Oh yeah so many of them look way outdated I guess I just figured apples own would look more modern. But hey as long as it’s works 😂

They haven't really been updated since Apple bought Logic from Emagic a long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emagic

CaelumAudio · May 2023

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open:

Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

LOL. Yes, a number of the built-in synths and effects look completely outdated, but they are very powerful tools for sound design. I really would not mind seeing them redesigned just to make them look more modern.

@NeuM said:

@CaelumAudio said:

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:
Music Putty will likely suffer much more, having an annual sub of about 30 bucks, ie not much less than the subscription for logic. I wonder if they'll switch to a one off purchase model. The idea that many people would be willing to pay a subscription for a pitch correction app always struck me as deeply misguided.

Well, none of us (developers included) anticipated the appearance of Logic Pro for iPadOS. So yes, they will have to radically rethink their product.

Yes, I've been onto my contact at apple and they don't even know yet if they will be doing a pre-release developer seed like they do for macOS 🤨

Hmm... that's interesting. No heads up whatsoever?

None whatsoever.. Compared to most major logic macOS updates where developers get to try stuff I'm not even expecting to be able to try this beforehand. New iPad on the way but thoroughly expect to be chasing any potential bugs on day 1. The iOS/iPadOS versions of plugins I've made can often be slightly different due to different host behaviours - garageband is one of the worst for this as on iOS it's sampled instruments run at half sample rate so that it can easily cause issues when you're not expecting to drop below a particular sample rate.

NoiseHorse · May 2023

I look at this Logic on iOS situation like when Auria first released on iOS:
People were surprised at the price ($49 originally) but were excited about the possibility of a high quality DAW. I remember the all time epic thread about Auria tips and tricks and the great spirit of cooperation and enthusiasm this forum had producing great tracks with Auria. Some still do.
It’s been a long while since I’ve gotten a new DAW app, gotten quite used to my routines on my existing DAWs and apps, I’m actually looking quite forward to trying Logic out to see if it sparks any new music from me. And I appreciate Apple and the IOS music world for growing to this point. I but always remember None of this would have ever come to pass without Audiobus, Michael & Sebastian, and this amazing forum. Pat yourselves on the back.

HotStrange · May 2023

@CaelumAudio said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open:

Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

LOL. Yes, a number of the built-in synths and effects look completely outdated, but they are very powerful tools for sound design. I really would not mind seeing them redesigned just to make them look more modern.

@NeuM said:

@CaelumAudio said:

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:
Music Putty will likely suffer much more, having an annual sub of about 30 bucks, ie not much less than the subscription for logic. I wonder if they'll switch to a one off purchase model. The idea that many people would be willing to pay a subscription for a pitch correction app always struck me as deeply misguided.

Well, none of us (developers included) anticipated the appearance of Logic Pro for iPadOS. So yes, they will have to radically rethink their product.

Yes, I've been onto my contact at apple and they don't even know yet if they will be doing a pre-release developer seed like they do for macOS 🤨

Hmm... that's interesting. No heads up whatsoever?

None whatsoever.. Compared to most major logic macOS updates where developers get to try stuff I'm not even expecting to be able to try this beforehand. New iPad on the way but thoroughly expect to be chasing any potential bugs on day 1. The iOS/iPadOS versions of plugins I've made can often be slightly different due to different host behaviours - garageband is one of the worst for this as on iOS it's sampled instruments run at half sample rate so that it can easily cause issues when you're not expecting to drop below a particular sample rate.

Oof that sounds like a pain. Sorry to hear that, and hope it goes smoothly 🙏

RajahP · May 2023

How about Logic Remote.. will this be a part of LPXiOs? Or, multiple remotes? Would be nice..

[Deleted User] · May 2023

LP have so powerful and so instruments and effects that you don’t need to add anymore plug ins or to buy any plugins to do very professional music.

I know 3 famous producers (in Belgium) and they use LP with any adds on , never bought any VST and external VST or external sound base.

They use some harware synth and hardware midi controllers and at leat 27 inch big screen. Pro RME sounds interfaces too for recording of course.

They don’t need it and don’t want , only focus on music. I think nobody here in the forum is at their level of pro production m not me for sure 😂, but on LP sometimes they share with me some useful advices.

Doing that I was able to do more tracks , boost my creativity on desktop.

Seriously you don’t need any plug-ins anymore or buy new ones to use LP iOS. Don’t worry for indie dev , the good ones are actually on the process to be hired by Apple who bought a big indie dev company for that. They face a shortage or good Audi videos dev.

This shortage is the main problem for VST companies and for this kind of dev big increase in salaries. Apple need more great skilled sound dev they haven’t enough one for Logic and the same for FCP.

Many people here will use still AUM for jam , Loopy pro for jam and even Cubasis , (not sure for the future of NS2 ?). The jam apps and experimental music apps and modular experience synth apps will stay, you can’t find that in LP.

So only great dev will stay doing very good iOS apps very different like @brambos and AudioThing (you can’t find something like Noise in LP).

It will be nice to have comment on my post including dev comments, would like @brambos to say if I am right on my thinking as he got a different view than users.

[Deleted User] · May 2023

@RajahP said:
How about Logic Remote.. will this be a part of LPXiOs? Or, multiple remotes? Would be nice..

My ideal setup for LP will be to use it on a powerful IPad and add my Old AIR 2 iPad as remote control link by BT. I use LP like that :

Macbook running LP , external SSD drive to back up and my IPad Air 2 being a second screen for the remote control and a small controler keyboard.

I would prefer a second bigger screen but my wife is against and no permanent studio at home 🏡 my wife don’t want a mess….not alone I think having this problem lol 😂 😂

ErrkaPetti · May 2023

@NoiseHorse said:
I look at this Logic on iOS situation like when Auria first released on iOS:
People were surprised at the price ($49 originally) but were excited about the possibility of a high quality DAW. I remember the all time epic thread about Auria tips and tricks and the great spirit of cooperation and enthusiasm this forum had producing great tracks with Auria. Some still do.
It’s been a long while since I’ve gotten a new DAW app, gotten quite used to my routines on my existing DAWs and apps, I’m actually looking quite forward to trying Logic out to see if it sparks any new music from me. And I appreciate Apple and the IOS music world for growing to this point. I but always remember None of this would have ever come to pass without Audiobus, Michael & Sebastian, and this amazing forum. Pat yourselves on the back.

Hold in mind that Auria back in 2012 when it was released, hadn’t got support for MIDI-tracks, only Audio–tracks…
Despite thas we were a bunch of users buying this for 49 bucks (as you wrote)…

sigma79 · May 2023

@pepebaõ said:

@sigma79 said:

@pepebaõ said:

@sigma79 said:

@pepebaõ said:
Is there any people here owning an iPad Air 3 ?

Im still under iOS 15, using GarageBand mainly (+LPX on desktop).

My iPad is still very responsive but I encounter common issues : i.e. yesterday, I couldnt use Model D without having stucked midi notes. I also have some issues with midi playback when applying AU effects (especially MixBox or Saturn), some notes are delayed.

It’s not a big deal for me because I mostly use LPX on desktop, but I’d like to try Logic that next May 23rd

So my question : is it a good idea to upgrade to 16.4 ? Did you feel a difference between 15.x and 16.x ?

Im on 16 something with air 3. An ipad 9 on 16 something. Another ipad 9 on the latest 16 whatever. Later the air 3 will be factory reset and will install the latest ios.

You will probably update if you think you will try logic.

Cant remember much about ios 15.

That’s what it’s all about, Im not sure I want to update if I lose a consequent part of responsiveness. I can still use GB now and LPX on desktop, like I did since years now.

I want to try Logic (who doesnt hehe) but I dont want to kill my ipad 😄

Thanks for your help

I factory reset mine.

Nothing made since 2019 apart from some lame youtube screen recordings.

I wanted to transfer beatcutter projects but it dosent send across devices with the samples used

To end up, I finally updated to 16.4 this morning. I can’t see any trouble atm, maybe even faster. Sweet !
Now Im ready for LP 😋

Cool.

Factory reset mine.

Its like an Ipad pro M3.

Clueless · May 2023

I would like to see how they translate Sculpture to the touch screen. Still one of my Top 5 tools for sound design.
After Apple TV, Disney+, Netflix, Amazon Prime, WOW TV it seems now it starts with music tools.
Time to end some of these since it adds up really bad now.

mjm1138 · May 2023

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@Schmotown said:
I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

And with the preset menu open:

Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

LOL. Yes, a number of the built-in synths and effects look completely outdated, but they are very powerful tools for sound design. I really would not mind seeing them redesigned just to make them look more modern.

Oh yeah so many of them look way outdated I guess I just figured apples own would look more modern. But hey as long as it’s works 😂

They haven't really been updated since Apple bought Logic from Emagic a long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emagic

Interestingly, if you read up on the history of Logic Pro you’ll notice that some of those super dated-looking plugins were introduced years after Logic became an Apple product. I’m sure some of them were in the pipeline at the time of the acquisition, but yeah, it’s only the more recent plugins that use a recognizably “Apple” design language. A lot of the really old ones aren’t even retina ready and look like pixelated shit on a modern display. I assume those will (finally!) get a UI refresh, or they will not make the cut. The Apple site says LP for iPad will ship with “hundreds” of plugins, and I’ve seen “just over 100” reported. I don’t a have a full count, but between instruments, effects and MIDI plugins, I think desktop Logic ships with over 200 plugins, so “just over 100” would mean a lot of omissions.

I suppose if they make radical UI changes to some of those old plugins on desktop, they’ll probably have Grammy-winning producers out there loudly proclaiming that Apple has destroyed their creative process 😂

wim · May 2023

@pepebaõ said:
Here an interesting article from a professional's pov about Logic Pro coming on iPad.

I think he sums up the situation perfectly.

In French but Im sure you’ll find a way to translate it

https://www.mac4ever.com/ipad/177246-logic-pro-sur-ipad-trop-limite-pour-un-usage-pro-les-reponses-d-un-professionnel

Good article. About what I expected a professional to say. Open to it, and interested as a convenience tool but not convinced it'll make a significant difference to him. Not put-off by the subscription model, in fact supportive of it.

This part really stood out though:

TOO FEW PORTS FOR PROFESSIONAL USE?

(Interviewer)
It will certainly be necessary to connect interfaces and peripherals (audio interface, MIDI keyboard, there is no more headphone output on iPads) for really extensive use, as well as storage for sound banks and large projects (for those who do not have iPads with 2 to of storage). Does this not reduce the interest of this iPad version?

(Loïc Bénart)
_This is the big black point in my opinion: Logic is still initially Logic "Pro". If only for the quality of listening of what we produce: we need at least a good headset, properly amplified. So at least a sound card that is more cumbersome and at least as heavy as the iPad. Say Apple, if we reintroduced a jack on the iPad, and if we went so far as to manage the impedance on the fly as on MacBook Pro? If they do that, I'll sign right away._

_We are talking about the fundamental flaw of the system: a fully functional Logic on iPad will be nothing without a good audio output, and the best wireless listening system will never have a latency low enough to allow anything to be produced._

The same goes for controllers: use on a touch keyboard does not offer game latitude compatible with all styles. That being said, it presales the arrival of dedicated interfaces and controllers, it may be interesting.

_From a storage point of view, if we recover projects created in the studio with a lot of recorded audio, we disqualify a lot of iPad models with low capacities. I think the problem of external sound banks is less important: Logic is already very rich at this level, it is its big strong point. But Logic with all its banks will already take a significant place, so ultimately storage remains a subject._

But a very small subject compared to that of the audio output, that's what for me really limits the interest of this version.

wim · May 2023

If that reaction among professional users is common, it would be a very good thing, leading to better off-device storage options and improved support for interfaces ... hopefully for multiple simultaneous interfaces.

I fully expect we'll see vastly improved audio interface support in iOS 17 and, I'm willing to bet, grudgingly improved support for external SSD storage and better file management.

NeuM · May 2023

@wim said:

@pepebaõ said:
Here an interesting article from a professional's pov about Logic Pro coming on iPad.

I think he sums up the situation perfectly.

In French but Im sure you’ll find a way to translate it

https://www.mac4ever.com/ipad/177246-logic-pro-sur-ipad-trop-limite-pour-un-usage-pro-les-reponses-d-un-professionnel

Good article. About what I expected a professional to say. Open to it, and interested as a convenience tool but not convinced it'll make a significant difference to him. Not put-off by the subscription model, in fact supportive of it.

This part really stood out though:

TOO FEW PORTS FOR PROFESSIONAL USE?

(Interviewer)
It will certainly be necessary to connect interfaces and peripherals (audio interface, MIDI keyboard, there is no more headphone output on iPads) for really extensive use, as well as storage for sound banks and large projects (for those who do not have iPads with 2 to of storage). Does this not reduce the interest of this iPad version?

(Loïc Bénart)
_This is the big black point in my opinion: Logic is still initially Logic "Pro". If only for the quality of listening of what we produce: we need at least a good headset, properly amplified. So at least a sound card that is more cumbersome and at least as heavy as the iPad. Say Apple, if we reintroduced a jack on the iPad, and if we went so far as to manage the impedance on the fly as on MacBook Pro? If they do that, I'll sign right away._

_We are talking about the fundamental flaw of the system: a fully functional Logic on iPad will be nothing without a good audio output, and the best wireless listening system will never have a latency low enough to allow anything to be produced._

The same goes for controllers: use on a touch keyboard does not offer game latitude compatible with all styles. That being said, it presales the arrival of dedicated interfaces and controllers, it may be interesting.

_From a storage point of view, if we recover projects created in the studio with a lot of recorded audio, we disqualify a lot of iPad models with low capacities. I think the problem of external sound banks is less important: Logic is already very rich at this level, it is its big strong point. But Logic with all its banks will already take a significant place, so ultimately storage remains a subject._

But a very small subject compared to that of the audio output, that's what for me really limits the interest of this version.

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Incidentally, here's the whole article translated to English:

https://www-mac4ever-com.translate.goog/ipad/177246-logic-pro-sur-ipad-trop-limite-pour-un-usage-pro-les-reponses-d-un-professionnel?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

mjm1138 · May 2023

Here’s a nicely neutral article on the subject https://sixcolors.com/post/2023/05/final-cut-and-logic-arrive-on-ipad-questions-and-some-answers/

One interesting note for me, since I haven’t paid too much attention to Final Cut, is that the iPad version of FCP has some significant omissions in the feature set, and project movement is one-way: from iPad to desktop. I think that tells me two things:
1. There is likely less of a feature gap for Logic Pro, since project movement is two-way, but
2. Apple clearly still envisions a world where projects are started on an iPad and finished on a Macintosh computer, so we should probably expect to live with not-insignificant gaps in feature functionality in the iPad version of Logic.

I will say in any case that what I’ve seen so far hasn’t made me think about getting rid of my MacBook. If anything, I’m even more glad I invested in a Mac that does a good job with Logic. On this very forum as of a few weeks ago I was saying that I’d be happy with something just a bit more powerful than GarageBand for iPad, and they certainly seem to be delivering that. So I guess I can’t complain (unless they don’t deliver support for MIDI plugins 😂).

The author of the article does predict that Apple’s pro desktop apps will also go to a subscription model, and sadly I would bet he’s probably right. Makes me wish I’d bought Logic 10 years ago and had been enjoying free updates this whole time

[Deleted User] · May 2023

@wim said:
If that reaction among professional users is common, it would be a very good thing, leading to better off-device storage options and improved support for interfaces ... hopefully for multiple simultaneous interfaces.

I fully expect we'll see vastly improved audio interface support in iOS 17 and, I'm willing to bet, grudgingly improved support for external SSD storage and better file management.

I agree it will be a good news if Apple release an affordable IPad Pro with more than 1 USB port and external. Many pro don’t use BT headphones they should be happy to have a headphones jack also on IPad Pro to make serious use of LP iOS. And all people here should be 😃. On my Mac Air I like a lot to have a headphones jack.

Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.

Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

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