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  • @wim said:
    If that reaction among professional users is common, it would be a very good thing, leading to better off-device storage options and improved support for interfaces ... hopefully for multiple simultaneous interfaces.

    I fully expect we'll see vastly improved audio interface support in iOS 17 and, I'm willing to bet, grudgingly improved support for external SSD storage and better file management.

    Same for me, and this guy point out what all pro are waiting on IPad and that we are willing to have alll in this community in some way. I didn’t bought an IPad Pro because it is not a big deal than to have a IPad Air 4 or 5 as you don’t have more storage at bottom price and only one USB port so the word “pro” is just marketing.

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Schmotown said:
    I’ve owned Logic Pro forever. Over the past couple of years, however, I’ve used an iPad more or less exclusively and rarely cracked open the MacBook. In anticipation of it coming to the iPad, I spent some time this morning revisiting Logic on the Mac and man, is it wonderful. Alchemy and Sculpture, the full Drummer, dozens of outstanding effects…

    I am so looking forward to using all these again plus whatever surprises await us on the 23rd.

    I’m curious, what sounds is Sculpture capable of with physical modeling? Does it do strings and brass? Or just stringed instruments?

    Here's a few shots of the current desktop version of Sculpture:

    And with the preset menu open:

    Wow I wasn’t expecting it to look so late 90s/early 2000s haha. Seems pretty powerful though! Let’s hope we get the same on iOS.

    LOL. Yes, a number of the built-in synths and effects look completely outdated, but they are very powerful tools for sound design. I really would not mind seeing them redesigned just to make them look more modern.

    Oh yeah so many of them look way outdated I guess I just figured apples own would look more modern. But hey as long as it’s works 😂

    They haven't really been updated since Apple bought Logic from Emagic a long time ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emagic

    Interestingly, if you read up on the history of Logic Pro you’ll notice that some of those super dated-looking plugins were introduced years after Logic became an Apple product. I’m sure some of them were in the pipeline at the time of the acquisition, but yeah, it’s only the more recent plugins that use a recognizably “Apple” design language. A lot of the really old ones aren’t even retina ready and look like pixelated shit on a modern display. I assume those will (finally!) get a UI refresh, or they will not make the cut. The Apple site says LP for iPad will ship with “hundreds” of plugins, and I’ve seen “just over 100” reported. I don’t a have a full count, but between instruments, effects and MIDI plugins, I think desktop Logic ships with over 200 plugins, so “just over 100” would mean a lot of omissions.

    I suppose if they make radical UI changes to some of those old plugins on desktop, they’ll probably have Grammy-winning producers out there loudly proclaiming that Apple has destroyed their creative process 😂

    Wonder if it’s omissions or they bundled things to pair down the actual amount of plugins or something? Definitely interested to see how that pans out and what all it actually comes with.

  • edited May 2023

    @BerlinFx said:

    @wim said:
    If that reaction among professional users is common, it would be a very good thing, leading to better off-device storage options and improved support for interfaces ... hopefully for multiple simultaneous interfaces.

    I fully expect we'll see vastly improved audio interface support in iOS 17 and, I'm willing to bet, grudgingly improved support for external SSD storage and better file management.

    I agree it will be a good news if Apple release an affordable IPad Pro with more than 1 USB port and external. Many pro don’t use BT headphones they should be happy to have a headphones jack also on IPad Pro to make serious use of LP iOS. And all people here should be 😃. On my Mac Air I like a lot to have a headphones jack.

    I don’t see the problem here - a tiny Hub connected to my iPad Pro 12.9” M1 gives me audio out, SSD-disk, power in, two USB-A highspeed jacks (for external soundcard etc)…
    You can already buy an advanced Apogee sound interface and connect to the iPad - works right-out-the-box…

  • All you that can’t stand that Logic Pro/Final Cut Pro for iPad will be subscription, hold in mind that Apple is certainly don’t care if you refuse to join the future of iPad…

    The future is new users, users buying powerful iPads that can run powerful apps on their iPads..

    The question is, will other software companies at last release iPad versions of their desktop software (Adobe, thinking about you)…

  • I just had a fun thought; I was opening my iPad with the Smart Keyboard, and as always wishing it would play keys in AUM like drambo, then thought, hmm I wonder if Apple, or some other enterprising folk, might release a smart music keyboard, probably something like one of those Ken Smart cloth ones with a bit of expressivity, and extra controls… perfect companion to logic…

  • @Krupa said:
    I just had a fun thought; I was opening my iPad with the Smart Keyboard, and as always wishing it would play keys in AUM like drambo, then thought, hmm I wonder if Apple, or some other enterprising folk, might release a smart music keyboard, probably something like one of those Ken Smart cloth ones with a bit of expressivity, and extra controls… perfect companion to logic…

    surpface pro had something like this when it first released, seems like a good idea... Could incorporate an XY pad and keybord maybe

  • edited May 2023

    Darn I forgot 16.4 was needed. I’m going to need to delete all my pics and videos and make room. Probably would’ve had to with GB DL and instrument packs so that is inevitable.

    Does anyone have any recommendations to backing up to an iPad with the flash drive? I want to transfer my entire photo album but I can’t select 1200 phot and videos and do that in one operation with iOS . Is there anything that helps backups when you must format or make room?

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @jacou said:
    I’m also very curious how Logic 10.8 or 11 will look like on the Mac. And if they’ll introduce subscription plans as well 🫣

    Me too as I bought it also for the free upgrade not to pay a subscription to run LP on MacOS

    I’m pretty sure that Logic Pro 11 on Mac will go subscription too (together with Final Cut Pro)…

    Hold in mind that version 10 of LPX has going on for ten years, and, with free updates since summer of 2013…

    Regarding functionalities, what are version 10.x of LPX missing that can be implemented in the new version 11?

    As usual I’m with Berlin on this. But you bring up a good point. Logic Pro 10.7 has everything you need really. I couldn’t think of anything else personally so it’s still worth buying it at $200, especially if you’re a teacher for MainStage. I think it’s not a waste Berlin

    But Erika is right, you can use the iPad when you don’t want to use your Mac but if you have Mac m1 what are you worried about.? You’re covered….

    (For the Logic Pro 11 app we’ll have to subscribe I guess or forego updates and upgrades but if you’re not going to upgrade your iOS anyway that’s fine because 10.5 or whatever was enough. 10.7 was just atmos right?)

  • @fearandloathing said:
    Does anyone have any recommendations to backing up to an iPad with the flash drive? I want to transfer my entire photo album but I can’t select 1200 phot and videos and do that in one operation with iOS . Is there anything that helps backups when you must format or make room?

    If you have a Mac, iMazing can be very helpful for this. https://imazing.com/

  • Thanks very much. It looks like that would work.

  • @SUPEREUROBEAT said:

    @Krupa said:
    I just had a fun thought; I was opening my iPad with the Smart Keyboard, and as always wishing it would play keys in AUM like drambo, then thought, hmm I wonder if Apple, or some other enterprising folk, might release a smart music keyboard, probably something like one of those Ken Smart cloth ones with a bit of expressivity, and extra controls… perfect companion to logic…

    surpface pro had something like this when it first released, seems like a good idea... Could incorporate an XY pad and keybord maybe

    Mmm yeah that looks like the kind of thing, might look into those anyway…

  • @fearandloathing said:
    Darn I forgot 16.4 was needed. I’m going to need to delete all my pics and videos and make room. Probably would’ve had to with GB DL and instrument packs so that is inevitable.

    Does anyone have any recommendations to backing up to an iPad with the flash drive? I want to transfer my entire photo album but I can’t select 1200 phot and videos and do that in one operation with iOS . Is there anything that helps backups when you must format or make room?

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @jacou said:
    I’m also very curious how Logic 10.8 or 11 will look like on the Mac. And if they’ll introduce subscription plans as well 🫣

    Me too as I bought it also for the free upgrade not to pay a subscription to run LP on MacOS

    I’m pretty sure that Logic Pro 11 on Mac will go subscription too (together with Final Cut Pro)…

    Hold in mind that version 10 of LPX has going on for ten years, and, with free updates since summer of 2013…

    Regarding functionalities, what are version 10.x of LPX missing that can be implemented in the new version 11?

    As usual I’m with Berlin on this. But you bring up a good point. Logic Pro 10.7 has everything you need really. I couldn’t think of anything else personally so it’s still worth buying it at $200, especially if you’re a teacher for MainStage. I think it’s not a waste Berlin

    But Erika is right, you can use the iPad when you don’t want to use your Mac but if you have Mac m1 what are you worried about.? You’re covered….

    (For the Logic Pro 11 app we’ll have to subscribe I guess or forego updates and upgrades but if you’re not going to upgrade your iOS anyway that’s fine because 10.5 or whatever was enough. 10.7 was just atmos right?)

    10.7 was about Atmos that I don’t use and don’t need actually to use , more sounds library, some improvement too particularly for the sequencer. Now we are at 10.7 but the 10.7is only for the new OS Ventura updates. I don’t want to go to Ventura as many report big problems opening Logic Pro X with Ventura and I prefer to stay always at the most stable OS for Logic X.

  • edited May 2023

    @fearandloathing said:
    Darn I forgot 16.4 was needed. I’m going to need to delete all my pics and videos and make room. Probably would’ve had to with GB DL and instrument packs so that is inevitable.

    Does anyone have any recommendations to backing up to an iPad with the flash drive? I want to transfer my entire photo album but I can’t select 1200 phot and videos and do that in one operation with iOS . Is there anything that helps backups when you must format or make room?

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @jacou said:
    I’m also very curious how Logic 10.8 or 11 will look like on the Mac. And if they’ll introduce subscription plans as well 🫣

    Me too as I bought it also for the free upgrade not to pay a subscription to run LP on MacOS

    I’m pretty sure that Logic Pro 11 on Mac will go subscription too (together with Final Cut Pro)…

    Hold in mind that version 10 of LPX has going on for ten years, and, with free updates since summer of 2013…

    Regarding functionalities, what are version 10.x of LPX missing that can be implemented in the new version 11?

    As usual I’m with Berlin on this. But you bring up a good point. Logic Pro 10.7 has everything you need really. I couldn’t think of anything else personally so it’s still worth buying it at $200, especially if you’re a teacher for MainStage. I think it’s not a waste Berlin

    But Erika is right, you can use the iPad when you don’t want to use your Mac but if you have Mac m1 what are you worried about.? You’re covered….

    (For the Logic Pro 11 app we’ll have to subscribe I guess or forego updates and upgrades but if you’re not going to upgrade your iOS anyway that’s fine because 10.5 or whatever was enough. 10.7 was just atmos right?)

    Actually, I’d recommend backing up all of your photos to both Google Photos and to iCloud. That way you’ll have multiple backups online in case one has problems. I pay 99¢/month for extra storage on iCloud, but if you have a lot of photos you might want to upgrade a bit more. And the security and reliability of these online storage services is quite good these days. Just use two-factor authentication and you’re golden.

  • What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

  • @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    On desktop the all pack included all sounds bank is around 80 GB but you can choose not to download all or have the sound pack on an external SSD hardrive or internal one.

    I can speak only about Dektop Logic but that give you the worst case . It can be lighter on iOS .

  • I wonder if they shift from audio to midi sounds in the sample packs to save space. Or maybe offering all 80gb optional like on desktop. Would be a little much for most iPads though.

  • @pepebaõ said:
    Here an interesting article from a professional's pov about Logic Pro coming on iPad.

    I think he sums up the situation perfectly.

    In French but Im sure you’ll find a way to translate it

    https://www.mac4ever.com/ipad/177246-logic-pro-sur-ipad-trop-limite-pour-un-usage-pro-les-reponses-d-un-professionnel

    The author had a pretty spot on take.

    P.s, this was a good opportunity to try out iPadOS/Safari’s built in text translation, which I didn’t even know it could do until now! Definitely more convenient than copy/pasting into a separate google translate page.

  • @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    I think it's about 6 at the moment. Any bigger and I'd have to lose too many essential apps on my Air 4 to justify using it.

  • @Eschatone said:

    @pepebaõ said:
    Here an interesting article from a professional's pov about Logic Pro coming on iPad.

    I think he sums up the situation perfectly.

    In French but Im sure you’ll find a way to translate it

    https://www.mac4ever.com/ipad/177246-logic-pro-sur-ipad-trop-limite-pour-un-usage-pro-les-reponses-d-un-professionnel

    The author had a pretty spot on take.

    P.s, this was a good opportunity to try out iPadOS/Safari’s built in text translation, which I didn’t even know it could do until now! Definitely more convenient than copy/pasting into a separate google translate page.

    I read in French this article and this is the more interesting point of view upto date you need to read it really .

  • edited May 2023

    @BerlinFx said:

    @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    On desktop the all pack included all sounds bank is around 80 GB but you can choose not to download all or have the sound pack on an external SSD hardrive or internal one.

    I can speak only about Dektop Logic but that give you the worst case . It can be lighter on iOS .

    I know it’s pretty hefty on desktop but I think apple will scale it down some for iOS. It would make sense since an app that large would mean a lot of people with Logic capable iPads wouldn’t have space for it and they’re gonna want to sell as many subs as possible. So I imagine it’ll be a good bit lighter than that on iOS but I could be wrong. GB is 1-3 gb depending on what you have downloaded so im guessing it’ll be in the 10 GB range.

  • @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    I think it's about 6 at the moment. Any bigger and I'd have to lose too many essential apps on my Air 4 to justify using it.

    That makes sense. Garageband with all sample packs is around 3gb so double that is reasonable. I think 10 GB is the max before I would have to seriously consider not getting it. Like you, I’d have to lose too many apps I’m not willing to part with so I’d have to just make do without it. I’m thinking they’ll want to sell as many subs as possible considering only a handful of iPads will support it, so making it a massive download would really hinder the amount of people getting it.

    If it creeps into the 15-20 range, it’ll either have to wait until I upgrade or I just won’t have Logic lol

  • @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    I think it's about 6 at the moment. Any bigger and I'd have to lose too many essential apps on my Air 4 to justify using it.

    That makes sense. Garageband with all sample packs is around 3gb so double that is reasonable. I think 10 GB is the max before I would have to seriously consider not getting it. Like you, I’d have to lose too many apps I’m not willing to part with so I’d have to just make do without it. I’m thinking they’ll want to sell as many subs as possible considering only a handful of iPads will support it, so making it a massive download would really hinder the amount of people getting it.

    If it creeps into the 15-20 range, it’ll either have to wait until I upgrade or I just won’t have Logic lol

    I think it’s all about selling bigger iPads with more storage. After my initial excitement I’m starting to go off the idea! 10gb is just not viable on my Air 4 64gb device, with only 4gb spare.

    The whole attraction of Logic for me, is to have a DAW on my iPad to host my amazing, existing apps with full blown automation and audio editing. If I have to remove those apps to make space, there’s no point in having it.

    I guess it’s all speculation at the moment anyway, but fingers crossed the core app will be small enough for those of us in the cheaper seats to try out, and if it really us that good, upgrade to a bigger device when we have the means to do so.

  • edited May 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    I think it's about 6 at the moment. Any bigger and I'd have to lose too many essential apps on my Air 4 to justify using it.

    That makes sense. Garageband with all sample packs is around 3gb so double that is reasonable. I think 10 GB is the max before I would have to seriously consider not getting it. Like you, I’d have to lose too many apps I’m not willing to part with so I’d have to just make do without it. I’m thinking they’ll want to sell as many subs as possible considering only a handful of iPads will support it, so making it a massive download would really hinder the amount of people getting it.

    If it creeps into the 15-20 range, it’ll either have to wait until I upgrade or I just won’t have Logic lol

    I’m pretty sure that nothing will be left out in the iPad version of Logic Pro…
    But, you ain’t have to download the whole shebang, just the most important stuff…
    If we should have possibilities to jump between Mac & iPad it is important that iPad can download missing content when open an Mac project…

    And, Apple will not put the content (around 73GB) on the iPads in less quality with stronger compression…

  • @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    I think it's about 6 at the moment. Any bigger and I'd have to lose too many essential apps on my Air 4 to justify using it.

    That makes sense. Garageband with all sample packs is around 3gb so double that is reasonable. I think 10 GB is the max before I would have to seriously consider not getting it. Like you, I’d have to lose too many apps I’m not willing to part with so I’d have to just make do without it. I’m thinking they’ll want to sell as many subs as possible considering only a handful of iPads will support it, so making it a massive download would really hinder the amount of people getting it.

    If it creeps into the 15-20 range, it’ll either have to wait until I upgrade or I just won’t have Logic lol

    I think it’s all about selling bigger iPads with more storage. After my initial excitement I’m starting to go off the idea! 10gb is just not viable on my Air 4 64gb device, with only 4gb spare.

    The whole attraction of Logic for me, is to have a DAW on my iPad to host my amazing, existing apps with full blown automation and audio editing. If I have to remove those apps to make space, there’s no point in having it.

    I guess it’s all speculation at the moment anyway, but fingers crossed the core app will be small enough for those of us in the cheaper seats to try out, and if it really us that good, upgrade to a bigger device when we have the means to do so.

    I do think you’re right about wanting to sell more iPads. But hopefully they will allow us all a chance to have a go at it. Like you, if the space needed to large enough that I have to start deleting apps, I’ll probably bail. I could shed some IAA stuff but besides that, I’ve kept the apps I have because I like them. I have 256 gb and I’m running low on space just due to samples and sample libraries. I can’t/don’t want to ditch all that, as bad as I do want logic. Only a week until we know for sure.

  • @HotStrange said:
    What are we thinking the download size will be? Im assuming a minimum of 3-5gb. But maybe closer to 10.

    On desktop, only the main program is an obligatory install. When the program first boots, users are offered the option of a 2gb (more or less) basic install, which includes basic sample material, loops etc. However, it's not obligatory. None of the external packs are obligatory and are freely selectable. Also, all data surplus to the main program is available for external d'load. I obviously can't confirm how it will work on the APP, but given the current precedent there's at least a chance the payload could be as large or small as each user chooses.

    There is also one other thing to consider, with regard to space, is Logic's AutoSampler (presuming it is included). If users are holding onto various apps for the sake of a handful of favourite presets, re-sampling those specific instruments might allow for these apps to be deleted and for space to be cleared. The same goes for freeing-up system resources and memory if various instruments and effects chains can be resampled as Logic Sampler instruments.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    But, you ain’t have to download the whole shebang, just the most important stuff…

    Oh I know, it’s how big the core install is that worries me - I can temporarily make 5 or 6gb free to try it out, but anything bigger and it means losing apps I want to use with it.

    I don’t want most of the extra content anyway, I just want the basic DAW features so I can automate my apps and edit audio in a clean UI. If I love it, I’ll dig behind the sofa and see if I can find a grand and a half for a bigger, newer device.

  • @HotStrange said:
    I do think you’re right about wanting to sell more iPads. But hopefully they will allow us all a chance to have a go at it. Like you, if the space needed to large enough that I have to start deleting apps, I’ll probably bail. I could shed some IAA stuff but besides that, I’ve kept the apps I have because I like them. I have 256 gb and I’m running low on space just due to samples and sample libraries. I can’t/don’t want to ditch all that, as bad as I do want logic. Only a week until we know for sure.

    256! Luxury!, :D

  • @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I do think you’re right about wanting to sell more iPads. But hopefully they will allow us all a chance to have a go at it. Like you, if the space needed to large enough that I have to start deleting apps, I’ll probably bail. I could shed some IAA stuff but besides that, I’ve kept the apps I have because I like them. I have 256 gb and I’m running low on space just due to samples and sample libraries. I can’t/don’t want to ditch all that, as bad as I do want logic. Only a week until we know for sure.

    I have split my apps on 2 IPad , the IPad Air 2 64 GB to use the Fx and some synth to use and NS2 and AUM . I got also the Logic Remote control for Destop Logic. Still free 30 GB.

    I keep on my IPad Air 4 256 GB all other interesting Apps and effects I bought and want to keep included all synth , Noises and. Cubasis 3 , drums groovebox and I got still have 200 GB free.

    Ok I am very far to have hundreds of apps from ages but I like to have a clean well organised space split on 2 IPad.

    During all my all life I work very few tools as possible, nothing on my desk clean and I was very efficient, now not working anymore but I carryon same way my moto is less is more.

    On my MacBook AIR M1 512 GB got only Logic with 85 GB Logic sounds and instruments on internal SSD nothing else than Logic no VST no samples databank I don’t need that. No videos or photos. Less than that difficult to do , all is for the music .

    But anyone have its own way respect it. Same organisation since I was 14 years old (it was only 1 paper 1 pen and 1 book on my table.

    😂 for girlfriends it was the same only one at a time but many girlfriends on the long run.

  • I've got the 2020 M1 12.9" iPad Pro with 512 GB. I just finished deleting NS2, Auria Pro, Gadget, BM3 and a few other hogs, and Cubasis 3 is looking like it will probably get the axe too. At this point, I have 420GB free. Yippee!

    Currently sitting on the edge of my seat awaiting the 23rd! :smiley:

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