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XinematiX - by VirSyn & KARO Sound Development - Walkthrough & The BIG Sound Test for the iPad

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  • edited May 2023

    Ok. A Sample library.

    It’s just weird that we have no way of knowing what this sounds like in the context of how we use a rompler for our own music.

    “Here’s 3 Samples. That should be good to give you an idea of how “great” this rompler is.”

    3 Samples!?!?!

    Really?

  • edited May 2023

    For sure there is some issue there, and an even more obvious issue when it comes to the user interface design of this product, in terms of the presets that are shown in lists compared to which ones will actually work for us when we only buy a subset of the libraries available.

    In terms of auditioning all the sounds, the question is whether video demos are enough. How are such issues dealt with on desktop platforms when it comes to relatively expensive sample-based instruments? Thats not an area I have invested much money on in the past, so I leave it to others to answer that question fully. Does it involve taking a leap of faith after hearing demos? Im guessing so in many cases.

  • edited May 2023

    I dunno. Other apps have figured it out. Aparillo, PianoTeq, BlocsWave, Gadget immediately come to mind.

    All these apps offer you a preview or ability to play presets before you buy.

    But hey, I’m just an iOS, macOS, and hardware synth/sampler user with a few albums under my belt so what do i know about Product Marketing to a very vertical and opinionated sector of the Music Making Community…it’s not like i care about this space.

    Wait a minute…🤪

  • @SteveElbows said:
    For sure there is some issue there, and an even more obvious issue when it comes to the user interface design of this product, in terms of the presets that are shown in lists compared to which ones will actually work for us when we only buy a subset of the libraries available.

    In terms of auditioning all the sounds, the question is whether video demos are enough. How are such issues dealt with on desktop platforms when it comes to relatively expensive sample-based instruments? Thats not an area I have invested much money on in the past, so I leave it to others to answer that question fully. Does it involve taking a leap of faith after hearing demos? Im guessing so in many cases.

    On desktop you can usually get demo modes of software. And for Kontakt, for example, you get things like Kontakt Player which is free and gives you time-limited access to features of the full version of Kontakt. Seeing the reaction here, it might well be good food for thought for Virsyn to run some kind of trial version that gives you limited time access to sample packs.

    Korg Module is an obvious example of how to do this - they give you demo access to any packs for a week, after which if you want to keep using it, you have to buy it. Pianoteq’ s free mode is very generous - in my opinion perhaps too generous - but something like that is another option: give access to packs but with some notes missing. In Pianoteq, only 7 notes in the entire octave range are disabled, but you could easily disable more and people would still get a good idea of the quality of the instruments and whether they think they are worth buying.

    Frankly, every iOS developer should be moving towards models that allow people to demo the full capabilities of the app before making a purchase. Sound demos are indeed often not enough. You need to play things to really decide whether you like them enough.

  • @israelite said:

    @richardyot said:
    @VirSyn as someone else has already mentioned, the app is reminiscent of Xpad by Crudebyte, although the packs in Xpad are cheaper.

    One thing that Xpad does way better though, is that it allows you to listen to samples with videos within the app before buying the packs. It might be an idea to download the app and see what they've done:

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xpad/id1338505908

    At the moment Xinematix is simply not enticing at all, because it's just a big black box. Buying a pack feels like getting a loot box, no idea what's inside.

    And I'm not usually one to complain about pricing, but currently I would be much more likely to buy packs in Xpad rather than Xinematix, because they're a quarter of the price :)

    Thanks for the Info!
    @BerlinFx xpad has choir pack for only a few €. Perhaps something for you?

    Thanks will have a look I never heard before of xpad soit is great

  • edited May 2023

    Well said @Gavinski. Great examples of what should have been done here.

    Maybe it’s time they did another build with this in mind so we can truly see the potential of the rompler.

    I’ve deleted it until such time.

  • edited May 2023

    I like this App.
    But i can not save the position on the rainbow. I Want to save the position orange, green or blue with the multi presets.

  • This Topic Should be taken under consideration from all the developers

  • We should all be aware that regarding romplers, it is very easy to pirate the libraries if they are available in demo.
    Take Korg Module, activate the 7-day free trial for KAPro choirs, plug audioLayer in and record any preset you want with multi-samples and layers.
    That’s the main problem I think.

  • @el_bo said:

    @richardyot said:
    And I'm not usually one to complain about pricing, but currently I would be much more likely to buy packs in Xpad rather than Xinematix, because they're a quarter of the price :)

    I don't mind paying higher for great sounds. The problem is that when prices are much higher, the sounds that are not to one's particular taste, but that come with the pack anyway, become a much more expensive waste. 'Duds' are easier to gloss over, if you've received 128 sounds for 15 quid. It's an altogether different proposition if 15 quid only buys 20 sounds.

    While I'm sure there's no real way of doing it, I'd love to see the possibility of a la carte purchases. I'd pay 10 quid for 10 sounds, if I'd chosen every one of those sounds, having deemed them imminently and eminently usable in my work.

    +1! I love the a la carte chose your own sounds to buy idea! Also, is it just me but the UI seems like a gigantic miss of opportunities, while its very pretty to look at, however, in terms of real functionality you have this gorgeous huge multi coloured dial presented right in front of you that does not actually do anything? I would love to see it functionally do something cool~just my 2 cents. And it seems like there is space to add a few other parameters on the page as it seems kinda gappy and empty in some parts. The slider is again really gorgeous but I am not a fan of not being able to morph all three sounds together at once other than the stacking feature, the slider seems limited to only hearing one slice at a time, so thats a let down. I was hoping to do some really deep power morphing with it.Cheers, ED

  • @Paulo164 said:
    We should all be aware that regarding romplers, it is very easy to pirate the libraries if they are available in demo.
    Take Korg Module, activate the 7-day free trial for KAPro choirs, plug audioLayer in and record any preset you want with multi-samples and layers.
    That’s the main problem I think.

    True

    @ElektrikDiva said:

    @el_bo said:

    @richardyot said:
    And I'm not usually one to complain about pricing, but currently I would be much more likely to buy packs in Xpad rather than Xinematix, because they're a quarter of the price :)

    I don't mind paying higher for great sounds. The problem is that when prices are much higher, the sounds that are not to one's particular taste, but that come with the pack anyway, become a much more expensive waste. 'Duds' are easier to gloss over, if you've received 128 sounds for 15 quid. It's an altogether different proposition if 15 quid only buys 20 sounds.

    While I'm sure there's no real way of doing it, I'd love to see the possibility of a la carte purchases. I'd pay 10 quid for 10 sounds, if I'd chosen every one of those sounds, having deemed them imminently and eminently usable in my work.

    +1! I love the a la carte chose your own sounds to buy idea! Also, is it just me but the UI seems like a gigantic miss of opportunities, while its very pretty to look at, however, in terms of real functionality you have this gorgeous huge multi coloured dial presented right in front of you that does not actually do anything? I would love to see it functionally do something cool~just my 2 cents. And it seems like there is space to add a few other parameters on the page as it seems kinda gappy and empty in some parts. The slider is again really gorgeous but I am not a fan of not being able to morph all three sounds together at once other than the stacking feature, the slider seems limited to only hearing one slice at a time, so thats a let down. I was hoping to do some really deep power morphing with it.Cheers, ED

    You couldn't really morph samples - you can only stack them or cross fade between them. True morphing would involve synthesis.

    But the slider does do something - it crossfades between up to 3 sounds. You can control it with the modwheel. Alternatively you can assign it to cc74 for example, and use an mpe controller y axis for example. Or assign any lfo to it. But if it isn't assigned to something you can't move it, which is a bit strange. If you want to move it with your fingers, make sure it is assigned to mod wheel.

  • edited May 2023

    @BerlinFx said:
    I will not buy this app as I want only a pack of very good sounds Vocal & Choir, do you know other alternatives for IPad ?

    Check iSymphonic And Korg Module
    The Iap Choir Dreams

  • @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:
    I will not buy this app as I want only a pack of very good sounds Vocal & Choir, do you know other alternatives for IPad ?

    The app is free, no? And the choir sounds are fantastic by the way, especially the phrased choir pack. Wait til there is a demo up before buying, if there isn’t one yet, but to me it is more interesting than the Korg Module KAPro choir, though that is also good.

    @Gavinski is quite right !!!!!
    The phrased Are Just awesome!!!!!!!

  • @Paulo164 said:
    We should all be aware that regarding romplers, it is very easy to pirate the libraries if they are available in demo.
    Take Korg Module, activate the 7-day free trial for KAPro choirs, plug audioLayer in and record any preset you want with multi-samples and layers.
    That’s the main problem I think.

    Maybe a workaround would be to make the trial demos only available in standalone mode for 3 days or something? I guess you can still screen record but maybe it would help?

  • edited May 2023

    !

  • Check the pricing And how many sounds

  • @dalton34gr said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:
    I will not buy this app as I want only a pack of very good sounds Vocal & Choir, do you know other alternatives for IPad ?

    The app is free, no? And the choir sounds are fantastic by the way, especially the phrased choir pack. Wait til there is a demo up before buying, if there isn’t one yet, but to me it is more interesting than the Korg Module KAPro choir, though that is also good.

    @Gavinski is quite right !!!!!
    The phrased Are Just awesome!!!!!!!

  • @dalton34gr said:

    @BerlinFx said:
    I will not buy this app as I want only a pack of very good sounds Vocal & Choir, do you know other alternatives for IPad ?

    Check iSymphonic And Korg Module
    The Iap Choir Dreams

    Thanks will check that

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Paulo164 said:
    We should all be aware that regarding romplers, it is very easy to pirate the libraries if they are available in demo.
    Take Korg Module, activate the 7-day free trial for KAPro choirs, plug audioLayer in and record any preset you want with multi-samples and layers.
    That’s the main problem I think.

    Maybe a workaround would be to make the trial demos only available in standalone mode for 3 days or something? I guess you can still screen record but maybe it would help?

    Very good idea. Deactivate AUv3 and IAA. Deactivate some keys. Shut down the sound after 1 minute. Etc.

  • edited May 2023

    Just for the record
    I DO NOT SAY THAT THIS APP IS NOT GREAT
    My point is that is too expensive for the iOS Platform
    With 1100 us$ on desktop you can do and buy a lot of apps way more powerful from Xinematix
    By the way on the post above the pricing for the sound libs are in cnd $
    VirSyn Has given us some great apps Tera Pro etc all in reasonable price why suddenly took this turn to rush something out that it wasn’t quite ready and to an extreme price
    I don’t know …
    Anyway Thank you VirSyn I cheeped in from my part (300$ plus)To keep You Going And Show the Appreciation
    But that’s it for very long time maybe on a sale or on a Black Friday
    Truly Thank again VirSyn !!!!!

  • @echoopera said:
    Ok. A Sample library.

    It’s just weird that we have no way of knowing what this sounds like in the context of how we use a rompler for our own music.

    “Here’s 3 Samples. That should be good to give you an idea of how “great” this rompler is.”

    3 Samples!?!?!

    Really?

    Now you mentioned that it's three(3) so many time I just have to correct you - it's four(4).🤣😂 Orchestra(1), Motion&Pad(2) and Piano&Key(1).

  • @echoopera said:
    Have you ever used a synth that only lets you sample 3 Presets?

    I cannot recall such utter nonsense.

    I can provide links to refresh your memory.

    This type of negative dogpile seems to happen when an app need multiple updates in the first couple of days or has a price tag that requires holding up the local bank.

    I have several apps in this mold and they generally bleed me dry over the first few months and eventually I have the whole set or I stop consuming.

    Harry has to slept the proceeds with 2 audio sound engineers that are used to that sweet desktop income.

    And the walls between IOS and desktop are falling so pricing will land somewhere in the middle or much closer to desktop because with so many options that volumes will be lower so: cost of app * units sold = top line revenue.

    This app is a God’s send for all of us making film music in the vein of a Hans Zimmer or HILDUR GUDNADÓTTIR.

    Many of us can created layered sounds in this mold using AUM and some of the 200 apps we own.

    For anyone that simply cannot afford to play I recommend the free Decent Sampler and the free Packs inside the app from
    The less expensive “Venus Theory”. I would not recommend another app in general but I do recall what it’s like to want good toys and simply have no money because kids, rent, animal vet bills, addict to daily intake of fast food, and gas. The GAS is the worst. You just know it’s taking years off your life.

  • edited May 2023

    Its super easy to layer multiple AUv3s in Nanostudio 2 by creating tracks and make them to be triggered by midi.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Paulo164 said:
    We should all be aware that regarding romplers, it is very easy to pirate the libraries if they are available in demo.
    Take Korg Module, activate the 7-day free trial for KAPro choirs, plug audioLayer in and record any preset you want with multi-samples and layers.
    That’s the main problem I think.

    True

    @ElektrikDiva said:

    @el_bo said:

    @richardyot said:
    And I'm not usually one to complain about pricing, but currently I would be much more likely to buy packs in Xpad rather than Xinematix, because they're a quarter of the price :)

    I don't mind paying higher for great sounds. The problem is that when prices are much higher, the sounds that are not to one's particular taste, but that come with the pack anyway, become a much more expensive waste. 'Duds' are easier to gloss over, if you've received 128 sounds for 15 quid. It's an altogether different proposition if 15 quid only buys 20 sounds.

    While I'm sure there's no real way of doing it, I'd love to see the possibility of a la carte purchases. I'd pay 10 quid for 10 sounds, if I'd chosen every one of those sounds, having deemed them imminently and eminently usable in my work.

    +1! I love the a la carte chose your own sounds to buy idea! Also, is it just me but the UI seems like a gigantic miss of opportunities, while its very pretty to look at, however, in terms of real functionality you have this gorgeous huge multi coloured dial presented right in front of you that does not actually do anything? I would love to see it functionally do something cool~just my 2 cents. And it seems like there is space to add a few other parameters on the page as it seems kinda gappy and empty in some parts. The slider is again really gorgeous but I am not a fan of not being able to morph all three sounds together at once other than the stacking feature, the slider seems limited to only hearing one slice at a time, so thats a let down. I was hoping to do some really deep power morphing with it.Cheers, ED

    You couldn't really morph samples - you can only stack them or cross fade between them. True morphing would involve synthesis.

    But the slider does do something - it crossfades between up to 3 sounds. You can control it with the modwheel. Alternatively you can assign it to cc74 for example, and use an mpe controller y axis for example. Or assign any lfo to it. But if it isn't assigned to something you can't move it, which is a bit strange. If you want to move it with your fingers, make sure it is assigned to mod wheel.

    Thanks so much Gavinski! I am afraid I am a bit of a midiot so all that technical stuff flies over my head. Yes, I was hoping that this was a proper synth so now that I know that this is library/rompler type APP. I am a tweaker at heart so its the synths that I lust after-I have a big bad GAS habit! (Even the GI Specialist DR. could not help me!)

    What a month this May has been for new releases, eh? I have not seen a fresh roll-out of new ios music apps in years and that was at Christmas time!!! It must be all the buzz surrounding Logic Pro coming over that has everyone fired up, LOL! I don't mind, as it keeps the innovation flowing! Does anyone know if there is anything more coming this month in terms of new releases aside from The Apple biggies? Rock on everyone!!! What a fun month to be a bedroom music producer! Let the games begin. Cheers, ED

  • For 1100.00 I can buy the vsynth xt i want

  • Why do people assume you need to part with $1100? You don’t need to clean out the store to buy a candy bar.

    Of course, there will also be sales events so be patient. You still won’t have to buy out the store at 50% off.

  • edited May 2023

    @dalton34gr said:
    And the pricing will go to the roof
    Think back 5-10 years how much was the price of an app 1.99 and 2.99 was expensive
    Get what you can and you need because shortly we WILL NOT Afford It

    Ever wonder why the price of Starbuck's coffee PER GALLON is exponentially higher than the price per gallon of gasoline, which is immensely more costly to refine and transport than a coffee bean? Calculus 101 -charge more and more till people stop buying then lower it a couple of pennies and you will be able to gouge the public for the last penny humanly possible.

    If this business model catches on (I hope not) perhaps the time is nearing for many of us to opt for desktop music software over IOS simply as a function of economics and common sense. Or for comparably priced cutting edge hardware! (see below)

    @Telstar5 said:
    I thought it was a misprint . This is more expensive than [desktop software] NI KOMPLETE .

    Historically the greatest joy and unique advantage of ios music was getting desktop performance at a fraction of desktop price. In this sense even if this app has good sounds it is the greatest joy killer yet to arrive on the scene.

    I have Omnisphere on desktop and think it (SUBJECTIVELY / MY OPINION) a lot better sounding than this (also nice sounding) app. If XinematiX was cheaper than what I paid for Omnisphere all would be good. But if I purchase packs in XinematiX enough to equal the number of amazing patches I have in Omnisphere I will have paid more money in IOS than I spent on a desktop app for a level of performance in my subjective opinion inferior to the, in this case, cheaper desktop alternative.

    The day IOS apps become more expensive than desktop software for a lower level of performance vs. worthy desktop competition is the day the whole logic of ios music purchases is completely turned on its head.

    But it's even worse. Historically ios cost < desktop cost < HARDWARE.
    With this new era gullible folk will be shelling out more money for an ios app than comparable or better cutting edge HARDWARE:

    @rs2000 said:
    Sorry to go somewhat off-topic but I'd like to throw in another, quite different option for anyone interested in hardware too: The Korg Wavestate. A hardware synth with quite a large and usable sample library built-in, enough hands-on control and a full size 3-octave keyboard.

    Fully agree except with one minor detail: your point is exactly on topic, or at least it should be.
    Perhaps VirSyn will consider offering us tickets for a free 88 key hardware keyboard with shipping to our home to narrow this price gap.

    Why do people assume you need to part with $1100? You don’t need to clean out the store to buy a candy bar.

    A fair point indeed, but it is still the case if purchasing less we converge on a point of paying more buck for the equal ios bang as compared to equivalent desktop software and/or hardware equip. I can't help but wonder if this is a good thing or frankly economically necessary. At a certain point some companies start charging more and more and more and more not because they must to profit or even thrive but simply because they can. This can in turn change whole industries.

    Back in the day a MOOG SYNTH, one of the most magical devices ever invented by humankind, cost thousands and thousands of dollars. Then came the advance of manipulating ones and zeros, you could make a synth just with those. Then came IOS, you could get a MOOG comparable in the sonic ballpark to the original for under $20. A magical fairyland time if there ever was one. Of course in this case we have something worth gazillions of dollars more than something like a lowly MOOG app in terms of development and investment [/doubt] [/cynicism]

    @MrSmileZ said:
    Pass for me…
    $1100 is too close to buying hardware for me….

    I'm a great lover of VirSyn apps -I have all of their others, but probably not investing comparable dollars in this this one.

    @mikewb said:
    Tried to download metal fx - does it really only come with 22 sounds for $14.99? I sure hope not.

    Horrible to contemplate.

    @SteveElbows said:
    For sure there is some issue there, and an even more obvious issue when it comes to the user interface design of this product, in terms of the presets that are shown in lists compared to which ones will actually work for us when we only buy a subset of the libraries available.

    Yea, they could at least fix that -I expect they will have to.
    Nobody wants to waste mountains of precious time going through patches that don't make sound in the hope of finding the ones that do, which for most will be a much smaller percentage in proportion that their expenditure is less than (drumroll) $1100 freaking dollars for all patches currently available. Imagine if they upload more empty patch names in the future -it could end up just as bad for you finding a patch that works even if you spend $1100 today!)

    @echoopera said:
    Have you ever used a synth that only lets you sample 3 Presets?
    I cannot recall such utter nonsense.

    Not exactly nonsense if you think of the shell not as a synth but as a form of (primarily) spam perhaps precipitating prolonged gas (or will to delete) for genuinely good and useful sounds that you will perhaps lose, if not your mind, lots of precious time just trying to find.

    @Pxlhg said:
    Now you mentioned that it's three(3) so many time I just have to correct you - it's four(4).🤣😂 Orchestra(1), Motion&Pad(2) and Piano&Key(1).
    @echoopera said:
    Awww man...that changes everything....FOUR! Amazing!
    I need to reinstall the app then.
    https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYzJjYTUxNjUxNDQ0MGQ2ZjgxNTEzNWIxMDI1NWFiYWYyNDk2ZjZmMCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/xT77XTpyEzJ4OJO06c/giphy.gif

    Don't feel bad, anyone could make that error trying to find where the hell the actually working patches might be in the atrocious patch system they currently have.

    @richardyot said:
    At the moment Xinematix is simply not enticing at all, because it's just a big black box. Buying a pack feels like getting a loot box, no idea what's inside.

    This is being tended to:

    @VirSyn said:
    We just started to add short videos to demo all sounds of each package, hopefully we will have all together within a week.

    Thanks VirSyn, and also for some of the best apps available on ios, but your lastest model is hard to for me to like notwithstanding pretty patches -if you can find them in the maze of patch names that won't work. I only ever like to see devs succeed, but things like this have the potential of altering marketplaces more generally; this instance seems converging on the point in the Calculus 101 equation mentioned above where a win for this app is perhaps the point where ios music generally could take a hit as non-ios alternatives start looking better than ios alternatives, especially if as a model it catches on more broadly as trends sometimes can/do.

    For the love of God lower your prices. And please improve your patch browser.

  • As the title suggest this is of course geared toward film composing .. At least to my ears

  • Vendors can always reconsider the pricing. When they don’t it’s usually working.

    I love Harry’s apps so I’ll probably pick up a couple packs just to show some support for the product.
    Then I will wait for a sale event to add a couple more and repeat until I just get tired of the sounds.

    Now in the past these large sample apps would kill my SSD and force me to remove something.
    I fixed that problem with a new iPad.

    Harry has 2 partners in this app so his hands may be tied to a contract so try not to make it personal…
    It’s just business.

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