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Ableton Push 3 Standalone released !!!

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  • @Gdub said:
    Can the screen be tilted?

    Only if tipping the entire unit:

  • edited May 2023

    @A_Fox said:

    @monz0id said:

    @A_Fox said:

    @monz0id said:

    @A_Fox said:
    It kinda sucks that you don’t get a discount if you already own full ableton though.

    Yeah, I just checked my ‘special price’ for the non-standalone and it’s the same.

    I nearly bought a Push 2 last year in the sales. This is £400 more, almost double that sale price, but the MPE and audio interface are very useful additions.

    Standalone is £1669 for me.

    Yeah, same here, I wouldn't be able to afford the standalone anyway though. £879 (maybe less in Black Friday sales) is just about do-able.

    Clever timing by Ableton. Today I'll be deciding whether to splash out on a new iPad for Logic or not...if not, then a Push 3 later in the year might be on the cards instead...

    I think Logic Pro along with all the other ipad apps on a Ipad pro is gonna be a winner too.
    Im not gonna be laying out £1600+ anytime soon! £5 a month for Logic Pro seems not so bad right now.
    If at some point im flush with cash (it happens) I couLd see me purchase a standalone Ableton but… I could get a mid range Moog or Sequential synth instead.. thats the price band its in!

    I don't think ipad apps compare to hardware , unless with a dedicated hardware controller (not generic midi but bidirectional)
    Closest combo I can think is LoopyPro with APC40

  • edited May 2023

    @A_Fox said:
    I think Logic Pro along with all the other ipad apps on a Ipad pro is gonna be a winner too.
    Im not gonna be laying out £1600+ anytime soon! £5 a month for Logic Pro seems not so bad right now.
    If at some point im flush with cash (it happens) I couLd see me purchase a standalone Ableton but… I could get a mid range Moog or Sequential synth instead.. thats the price band its in!

    £879 for the non-standalone is pretty hefty, but the MPE stuff is amazing - it really turns it into a proper instrument in it's own right, and the audio interface built-in will save a few quid.

    I was looking at getting a Digitakt before the iOS Logic announcement, but they're nearly £800 now, and this does so much more if you've already got Live (I've got the Suite).

    If Logic doesn't blow my socks off enough to upgrade my iPad (will be a squeeze on my Air 4 64gb), then I reckon the Push 3 could be contender for my money.

  • I just saw another demo for Logic on ipad and it illustrated exactly why it doesn't work for that type of DAW, too much scrolling around on a small screen, and in the demo the guy touches the screen twice and nothing happens and so has to touch again. A Daw needs tactile hardware for speed and precision. Ipad works great combined with other hardware though :)

  • This is kind of what I wish my iPad could be. Integrated hardware/software.

  • So another box to spend money and learn only to be able to make pretty much the same music as before.

    Yes, you can leave your laptop at home and yes, we're going to see more videos of influencers jamming in the park.

    I really love the idea but in practice, for me the big drawback is the number of available audio inputs. Also I can see this being hard to see in daylight. I' don't know why they got rid of the gridlines between the pads? I can imagine it does wonders for the cool look but will likely be harder on the eyes.

    I definitely like the idea of user upgradability. I think more manufacturers should follow suit and realise that money is to be made on upgrade and replacement parts.

  • @supadom said:

    I' don't know why they got rid of the gridlines between the pads? I can imagine it does wonders for the cool look but will likely be harder on the eyes.

    They got rid of the grid lines so that they can offer MPE — according to the CDM preview, you can slide between notes for glissando, wiggle your fingers for vibrato, etc. You can’t offer the same level of control without a sensing surface between pads. Definitely agree that it won’t be as easy to look at though.

  • Holy s%#t!!!!!!! 😍😍😍😍

  • edited May 2023

    I expect too someone will work out how to diy upgrade, which could be interesting :)
    In fact, lets hope Push 4 is even more modular, that's the future I think.

  • edited May 2023

    Looks great!

    But after paying $2,000...they don't even throw in the MIDI dongles!?

    Wow.

  • I’m far more excited by this than Logic

  • Me too. ADAT is super useful for my studio. Looks like it was worth the wait. Buy the non portable version then upgrade with cheaper self sourced components?

  • I’ll take my op-1 field and ipad over push 3 anytime!

  • having M4L work on the standalone is amazing too.

  • As an MPE fanatic I did not hesitate to order the standalone version.

  • edited May 2023

    @SteveElbows same!!! it's a dream come true in many ways for MPE lovers.
    the standalone becomes a beautiful instrument, even putting all the production capabilities aside! Just wish we could use other amazing 3rd parties tools like Vital, Pigments, etc

  • @Danny_Mammy I've heard that some m4l may not work in the standalone.

  • I wonder if I can buy a basic one, and put a MacBook Air inside?

  • edited May 2023

    Push3 + Ipad seems to complement very well to me -
    if Standalone Push3 can’t host VsT/AUs but I have them on my Ipad …
    USBStreamer gives 8Ch ADAT I/O between Ipad & Push3, & larger screen for synth editing .
    Better Midi Sequencers bigger screen touch edited on Ipad synced via Link recording into Push …

    If Push3 knobs can be assigned to external control of Ipad apps …
    & MPE pads play Ipad synths
    very complementary ..very 2 way symbiotic

    hmmmmm

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  • @stelvio said:
    @Danny_Mammy I've heard that some m4l may not work in the standalone.

    https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/8506527153308-Push-standalone-Max-for-Live-Device-Compatibility

    Some devices that require input in their own UI or mapping to other parameters (think Envelope Follower or step sequencers or sample loading) won’t work properly. The UI for a max4live device won’t show on the screen so only parameters that can be controlled with the encoders will show up.

  • @Eclipxe thanks for that
    yes, mapping M4l to macros is easy though, when possible

  • Looking at today's date, someone in their marketing department is going to be fired 😂

  • @RetroNewb agreed, also thinking of using Midi apps (steppoly, chordpoly etc) with the push. I'm pretty sure I can use the Push's pads to play iPad midi apps... and then route Midi iPad apps back into Push. I'm curious which IOS synth would you complement the Push with?

  • edited May 2023

    Did someone say iOS abelton for Xmas. >:)

    Never liked the rectangular pads on the Force for playing iso. I have gas.
    Adat I/0 is awesome. Hope it can be set to slave.

  • @stelvio said:
    @RetroNewb agreed, also thinking of using Midi apps (steppoly, chordpoly etc) with the push. I'm pretty sure I can use the Push's pads to play iPad midi apps... and then route Midi iPad apps back into Push. I'm curious which IOS synth would you complement the Push with?

    Well the number of iOS synths that support MPE is really quite large, so I would struggle to narrow that field down to a single synth.

  • @stelvio said:
    I'm curious which IOS synth would you complement the Push with?

    Glad you ask. This question actually pops out here a lot. Let me just give you the down-low, and spare you hours of endless scrolling:

    ALL of them

  • @stelvio said:
    @SteveElbows same!!! it's a dream come true in many ways for MPE lovers.
    the standalone becomes a beautiful instrument, even putting all the production capabilities aside! Just wish we could use other amazing 3rd parties tools like Vital, Pigments, etc

    I'm used to lack of 3rd party instruments in the Maschine+ so I came to terns with such things. For now I'm content to use those in non-standalone mode, or a combination of standalone as MIDI controller recording the audio from the other synths back in. Especially as I've got some hardware MPE synths too so am used to having to blend different worlds together and make some compromises.

    In the long term I hope things like the CLAP plugin standard catch on, because in theory they are a bit easier to have running on alternative platforms without having to rely on a single company/gatekeeper, but who knows how that will actually pan out. And there will always be the issue of performance constraints when it comes to standalone devices vs the power we've become used to from modern computers.

  • edited May 2023

    Push 2 second-hand market is exploding, 8 just popped up today in a Dutch marketplace. I'll just stick with my push one cause I'm not using my laptop enough. Drambo is more fun for me
    https://www.marktplaats.nl/l/muziek-en-instrumenten/midi-apparatuur/#q:push+2

  • @jrjulius said:

    @supadom said:

    I' don't know why they got rid of the gridlines between the pads? I can imagine it does wonders for the cool look but will likely be harder on the eyes.

    They got rid of the grid lines so that they can offer MPE — according to the CDM preview, you can slide between notes for glissando, wiggle your fingers for vibrato, etc. You can’t offer the same level of control without a sensing surface between pads. Definitely agree that it won’t be as easy to look at though.

    They could have removed the indentations between the pads but leave the grid for reference.

  • edited May 2023

    I stopped using my 2 as the plastic casing is all tacky/sticky from decomposing. I wonder if there's a resell market for these older ones or if Ableton will take it.

    I'm also wondering if I need this anymore or I should just get a 2nd OXI One :)

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