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FM 7 module for Tera Pro released

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  • edited August 2023

    @tja said:

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Yoooo! This is so cool! Tera Pro is becoming one of the best and most powerful synths on iOS.

    Has anyone tried it? Does it have full control over everything? The operators, algorithms, envelopes, etc?

    As stated in the original post, no, much of the deeper functionality is intentionally masked in favor of simpler controls.

    … and then it was later hinted at that full control will come at some point.

    I am going to delay my purchase until that moment.

    Also, @VirSyn please consider a better preset / favorite management, as was asked for.

    You know, it is curious how few synths or effects have the ability to mark favorites. BLEASS has Favorites in all their apps, which is great for organizing.

  • I think that when the deeper controls are made available, the IAP will take off ✈️

  • edited August 2023

    I‘d rather suggest the focus on convenience in reading and managing sysex banks.
    It‘s totally annoying to load single patches and (as mentioned earlier) most of the large „collections“ are (multiple) banks of 32 patches each.
    Only then you can browse patches fast enough to pick your own favorites and save them in your own collection.

    Tbh there‘s so much good stuff existing that I rarely had the need to tweak (which of course is cool as an option).
    More interesting than simply altering fm parameters to achieve a new static sound would be the ability to apply some realtime control to such parameters.

    Sending sequences of sysex can be a bit tricky in the original DX-7 which wasn’t a realtime synth by design, but the Tera engine can handle such controls much easier.
    Essentially it could use midi CC to drive Tera’s emulation faster and more detailed than sysex ever could and the method would be a more neat/clear design.
    This would sacrifice control of a hardware DX (like KQ Dixie does) which probably isn‘t the purpose of Tera anyway. Just my 2 cents...

  • @tja said:

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Yoooo! This is so cool! Tera Pro is becoming one of the best and most powerful synths on iOS.

    Has anyone tried it? Does it have full control over everything? The operators, algorithms, envelopes, etc?

    As stated in the original post, no, much of the deeper functionality is intentionally masked in favor of simpler controls.

    … and then it was later hinted at that full control will come at some point.

    I am going to delay my purchase until that moment.

    Also, @VirSyn please consider a better preset / favorite management, as was asked for.

    Tera Pro is one of my top synths, so will mostly likely pick up the FM IAP at some point, but I want to wait and see how a more indepth control option is added to it before jumping in.

  • @Telefunky said:
    I‘d rather suggest the focus on convenience in reading and managing sysex banks.
    It‘s totally annoying to load single patches and (as mentioned earlier) most of the large „collections“ are (multiple) banks of 32 patches each.
    Only then you can browse patches fast enough to pick your own favorites and save them in your own collection.

    Tbh there‘s so much good stuff existing that I rarely had the need to tweak (which of course is cool as an option).
    More interesting than simply altering fm parameters to achieve a new static sound would be the ability to apply some realtime control to such parameters.

    Sending sequences of sysex can be a bit tricky in the original DX-7 which wasn’t a realtime synth by design, but the Tera engine can handle such controls much easier.
    Essentially it could use midi CC to drive Tera’s emulation faster and more detailed than sysex ever could and the method would be a more neat/clear design.
    This would sacrifice control of a hardware DX (like KQ Dixie does) which probably isn‘t the purpose of Tera anyway. Just my 2 cents...

    I want to be able to specify how much to apply MPE's midi CC 74 (y axis movement on MPE instruments) to any and all internal FM parameters such as depth and feedback of any and all carriers, and to potentially further tweak those amounts and ratios and so on. Without that there's nothing in this IAP for me.

  • edited August 2023

    @Bruques said:

    @Telefunky said:
    I‘d rather suggest the focus on convenience in reading and managing sysex banks.
    It‘s totally annoying to load single patches and (as mentioned earlier) most of the large „collections“ are (multiple) banks of 32 patches each.
    Only then you can browse patches fast enough to pick your own favorites and save them in your own collection.

    Tbh there‘s so much good stuff existing that I rarely had the need to tweak (which of course is cool as an option).
    More interesting than simply altering fm parameters to achieve a new static sound would be the ability to apply some realtime control to such parameters.

    Sending sequences of sysex can be a bit tricky in the original DX-7 which wasn’t a realtime synth by design, but the Tera engine can handle such controls much easier.
    Essentially it could use midi CC to drive Tera’s emulation faster and more detailed than sysex ever could and the method would be a more neat/clear design.
    This would sacrifice control of a hardware DX (like KQ Dixie does) which probably isn‘t the purpose of Tera anyway. Just my 2 cents...

    >

    I want to be able to specify how much to apply MPE's midi CC 74 (y axis movement on MPE instruments) to any and all internal FM parameters such as depth and feedback of any and all modulations of carriers, and to potentially further tweak those amounts and ratios and so on. Without that there's nothing in this IAP for me.

  • Definitely about to get this module..quick question though…how do I get this dark blue background instead of the light one?

  • @NeuM said:

    @tja said:

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Yoooo! This is so cool! Tera Pro is becoming one of the best and most powerful synths on iOS.

    Has anyone tried it? Does it have full control over everything? The operators, algorithms, envelopes, etc?

    As stated in the original post, no, much of the deeper functionality is intentionally masked in favor of simpler controls.

    … and then it was later hinted at that full control will come at some point.

    I am going to delay my purchase until that moment.

    Also, @VirSyn please consider a better preset / favorite management, as was asked for.

    You know, it is curious how few synths or effects have the ability to mark favorites. BLEASS has Favorites in all their apps, which is great for organizing.

    I wish every app had that option. It’s also easy for certain projects as you can favorite any of a specific sound or type so you can recall them quickly. Bleass apps generally have great preset management.

  • @Strizbiz said:
    Definitely about to get this module..quick question though…how do I get this dark blue background instead of the light one?

    Switch to dark mode on your iOS device. It follows that setting. I don't see any setting to override the device's dark/light mode.

  • @wim said:

    @Strizbiz said:
    Definitely about to get this module..quick question though…how do I get this dark blue background instead of the light one?

    Switch to dark mode on your iOS device. It follows that setting. I don't see any setting to override the device's dark/light mode.

    Thanks, would be nice to be able to have a setting to have it in light mode too or have a hue setting to use what color we want but not a biggie. If this developer is reading this maybe it could be added some time in the future? Anyway Tera Pro is in my top 5 of the MANY IPad synths I bought.

  • I love the new FM module for Tera Pro. Those controls are phenomenal, you can musically and pretty much in controllable ways modulate any ‘syx’ patch out there. And this is just the beginning, pair it with Wavetable or Brainz or whatever Tera offers, freaking fantastic. 🤩

    But for true Yamaha FM lovers you still need KQ Dixie for the original sound design, this time even more than before. Because you will import them in Tera Pro and use them to the full potential.

    If @VirSyn adds an option to control operators, only sky's the limit.

    What next for Tera Pro, maybe a physical modeling module?! 🤔

  • edited August 2023

    @Luxthor said:
    But for true Yamaha FM lovers you still need KQ Dixie for the original sound design, this time even more than before. Because you will import them in Tera Pro and use them to the full potential.

    True. B)
    I just checked Dixie‘s CC assignment control (dunno if I simply missed it or when it was introduced via an update).
    It‘s consistent for the virtual sound engine and DX hardware, in other words sound updates are executed on next note trigger, not during dial/graphic movement.

    As mentioned there might be an enhancement by a kind of „immediate mode“, if operators or rates follow dial movement in realtime.
    (but dunno if that makes sense from a developer‘s pov)

    Another (useful) extension would be the assignment of a single CC to multiple items, even more if ratio and direction could be set individually.
    (imho this was the main feature of the XG Gold software, that turned a humble Yamaha DB50XG soundcard into a QS-300 in digital audio stone age)

  • Hi all,

    just updated FM 7 to add zillions of sysex files in a minute. It now accepts zipped files/folders of sysex bank files.
    And to make navigation easier I've added the dice to get you a random selection from all those voice presets:

    PS: This may shorten the time for you waiting for an update which allows operator control ( Yes it will come... )

  • @VirSyn said:
    Hi all,

    just updated FM 7 to add zillions of sysex files in a minute. It now accepts zipped files/folders of sysex bank files.
    And to make navigation easier I've added the dice to get you a random selection from all those voice presets:

    PS: This may shorten the time for you waiting for an update which allows operator control ( Yes it will come... )

    Awesome, thanks! This will add a ton of sound possibilities. I’m curious though, when the full operator control comes, will there be an option to turn it off/on. In other words, if we want a simplistic interface for quick patch making vs diving deep into an FM patch. Sometimes you just wanna get there quickly lol and being able to have choice to use the current UI vs the new UI could be helpful.

  • @VirSyn said:
    Hi all,

    just updated FM 7 to add zillions of sysex files in a minute. It now accepts zipped files/folders of sysex bank files.
    And to make navigation easier I've added the dice to get you a random selection from all those voice presets:

    PS: This may shorten the time for you waiting for an update which allows operator control ( Yes it will come... )

    Cool!
    I actually eded getting the TeraPro IAP even though I'm a huge KQ Dixie fan (I love the in-depth editor) :sunglasses:

    Will check the import, one thing I do like about KQ Dixie is the built-in zip-browser that hides incompatible files.
    It also sounds a bit 'meatier'(fuller sound and it's not 'sound level') by default compared to the FM7 in TeraPro.

    The sys-ex files I mainly use is found on the Dexed page.
    https://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/

    This is the direct link to the zip-archive.
    http://hsjp.eu/downloads/Dexed/Dexed_cart_1.0.zip

    Another one is the classic Hypra-Rom banks...
    https://www.synthforum.nl/threads/111345/ (Link in the first post...).

    Cheers!

  • Very cool, @VirSyn.

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  • Nice update! It would be cool if this was possible for zips or folders of wavetables as well. 🙏

  • edited August 2023

    simply outstanding: it can even open multiple zip files containing multiples sysex banks of 32 presets!

  • edited August 2023

    @RockBottom said:
    simply outstanding: it can even open multiple zip files containing multiples sysex banks of 32 presets!

    Just bought it. And importing the thousands of presets I’ve been using with KQ Dixie was a breeze. Fantastic.

    Thank you for adding this module, @VirSyn. This is so much easier to work with than alternative apps out there.

  • edited August 2023

    i still ask myself why someone would use tera pro for playing old fm patches.
    it seems to be very important.
    anyway, great addition to tera pro

  • @VirSyn said:
    PS: This may shorten the time for you waiting for an update which allows operator control ( Yes it will come... )

    I have a soft spot for FM synthesis, those meta controls opened a whole new universe of automation possibilities. Now you promised full operator control, this little module will be better than Opsix. 🤩

  • edited August 2023

    @Birdpie said:
    i still ask myself why someone would use tera pro for playing old fm patches.
    it seems to be very important.
    anyway, great addition to tera pro

    Why? Because there are literally thousands and thousands of free FM synth patches out there, the product of decades of users sharing these things.

  • edited August 2023

    @VirSyn I’m noticing that the FM module won’t load sounds immediately. I get brief clicky sounds instead of functioning patches. But when I go back to the standard factory patches and load them in the main patch browser in the top middle of the UI layout (not the little FM7 patch browsing window), then it returns to normal.

    Anyone else having this issue?

  • @NeuM said:

    @RockBottom said:
    simply outstanding: it can even open multiple zip files containing multiples sysex banks of 32 presets!

    Just bought it. And importing the thousands of presets I’ve been using with KQ Dixie was a breeze. Fantastic.

    Thank you for adding this module, @VirSyn. This is so much easier to work with than alternative apps out there.

    How would you compare it to Dixie overall? It’s been my go to for patch dumping and FM in general since I got it. I know Tera has less control at the moment but I’m still curious how it compares overall.

  • edited August 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @RockBottom said:
    simply outstanding: it can even open multiple zip files containing multiples sysex banks of 32 presets!

    Just bought it. And importing the thousands of presets I’ve been using with KQ Dixie was a breeze. Fantastic.

    Thank you for adding this module, @VirSyn. This is so much easier to work with than alternative apps out there.

    How would you compare it to Dixie overall? It’s been my go to for patch dumping and FM in general since I got it. I know Tera has less control at the moment but I’m still curious how it compares overall.

    Obviously right now there are fewer controls, but if you just want to be able to play and organize (and delete) your thousands, or hundreds of patches, it’s a nicer way to do it. I’m not getting rid of KQ Dixie, but it won’t be my first choice for now. I love having all of these modules and different functions in Tera Pro. If I need something very specific that I want to dial in, I’d probably use Dixie. And I’ve never tried exporting any patches from Dixie, so I’m not sure if I’d be able to create something using it and then import to Tera Pro.

  • wimwim
    edited August 2023

    @Birdpie said:
    i still ask myself why someone would use tera pro for playing old fm patches.
    it seems to be very important.
    anyway, great addition to tera pro

    Having something like that as the sonic equivalent of a module is very handy. For instance, doing things like sending the output through a filter and controlling that filter with an envelope or LFO. Or mixing it with other oscillators, adding FX, etc. all in one app can be nicer than having to build up a mega patch in a host.

    The macro control is surprisingly nice to work with. I say "surprisingly" because at first all I saw was what I thought was a massive limitation, but quickly found how useful it is. I believe I'll still use them more often than the full control when it comes (though I look forward to full control for sure.)

  • @NeuM said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @RockBottom said:
    simply outstanding: it can even open multiple zip files containing multiples sysex banks of 32 presets!

    Just bought it. And importing the thousands of presets I’ve been using with KQ Dixie was a breeze. Fantastic.

    Thank you for adding this module, @VirSyn. This is so much easier to work with than alternative apps out there.

    How would you compare it to Dixie overall? It’s been my go to for patch dumping and FM in general since I got it. I know Tera has less control at the moment but I’m still curious how it compares overall.

    Obviously right now there are fewer controls, but if you just want to be able to play and organize (and delete) your thousands, or hundreds of patches, it’s a nicer way to do it. I’m not getting rid of KQ Dixie, but it won’t be my first choice for now. I love having all of these modules and different functions in Tera Pro. If I need something very specific that I want to dial in, I’d probably use Dixie. And I’ve never tried exporting any patches from Dixie, so I’m not sure if I’d be able to create something using it and then import to Tera Pro.

    Thanks! I’m definitely still going to be keeping Dixie. I’m not a fan of Tera Pros UI at all but being able to dump endless amount of DX7 patches into it and then combine that with the Brainz modules (or even the VS stuff) will surely lead to some crazy results.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @RockBottom said:
    simply outstanding: it can even open multiple zip files containing multiples sysex banks of 32 presets!

    Just bought it. And importing the thousands of presets I’ve been using with KQ Dixie was a breeze. Fantastic.

    Thank you for adding this module, @VirSyn. This is so much easier to work with than alternative apps out there.

    How would you compare it to Dixie overall? It’s been my go to for patch dumping and FM in general since I got it. I know Tera has less control at the moment but I’m still curious how it compares overall.

    Obviously right now there are fewer controls, but if you just want to be able to play and organize (and delete) your thousands, or hundreds of patches, it’s a nicer way to do it. I’m not getting rid of KQ Dixie, but it won’t be my first choice for now. I love having all of these modules and different functions in Tera Pro. If I need something very specific that I want to dial in, I’d probably use Dixie. And I’ve never tried exporting any patches from Dixie, so I’m not sure if I’d be able to create something using it and then import to Tera Pro.

    Thanks! I’m definitely still going to be keeping Dixie. I’m not a fan of Tera Pros UI at all but being able to dump endless amount of DX7 patches into it and then combine that with the Brainz modules (or even the VS stuff) will surely lead to some crazy results.

    Exactly. And that’s the kind of thing I’m going to be experimenting with next.

  • @wim said:

    @Birdpie said:
    i still ask myself why someone would use tera pro for playing old fm patches.
    it seems to be very important.
    anyway, great addition to tera pro

    Having something like that as the sonic equivalent of a module is very handy. For instance, doing things like sending the output through a filter and controlling that filter with an envelope or LFO. Or mixing it with other oscillators, adding FX, etc. all in one app can be nicer than having to build up a mega patch in a host.

    The macro control is surprisingly nice to work with. I say "surprisingly" because at first all I saw was what I thought was a massive limitation, but quickly found how useful it is. I believe I'll still use them more often than the full control when it comes (though I look forward to full control for sure.)

    I think that many people here don’t understand the importance of meta controls. They need to try to modulate FM operators and keep the same character of the patch first. ;)

    With meta controls you can finally, like a tourist, change familiar parameters without destroying target sound. And in LP4iOS automate those controls in the most elegant way possible.

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