Imaginando - BAM - Beat Maker & Music Maker - Out Now

Simon

@Poppadocrock said:

@Cambler said:
Looks interesting. Wondering what the pricing will is for iPad.

It might be similar to LK or Tracktor where it’s free but IAPs to unlock features… just guessing, but that’s the approach they seem to take.

The web site says it is a "paid download".

HotStrange

I’m such a sucker for a good groovebox so this is a definite for me. Looks fantastic! And made by some great devs.

veitz

Will there be automating for midicontrollers as with LK?

Polyphonix

@dendy said:

@el_bo said:

also we are here at highly speculative ground what that SHIFT really does and how he behaves :-)) Me being dev, i would make it "double tap" to keep active so you don't need to hold it .. we will se what they really did here ..

Just quickly mentioned, like in LK it has “double tap”. But +1 for an option to move it to the right side.

Edit: left side

MAtrixplan

One day of waiting and it is already killing me! when it will be released except that 'soon'?

AudioGus

@Poppadocrock said:

@Cambler said:
Looks interesting. Wondering what the pricing will is for iPad.

It might be similar to LK or Tracktor where it’s free but IAPs to unlock features… just guessing, but that’s the approach they seem to take.

Littlewoodg

Went all-in immediately

Jerry

Doesn't look to be my cup of tea. Excited to see reviews and vids.

MrSmileZ

@ehehehe said:

@MrSmileZ said:
Why does this remind me of Drambo a lot?

Because you've never used another groovebox? It doesn't look like a modular app where you can make instruments, but a sketchpad for making songs.

I’ve used many groove boxes in both software and hardware, so not it. It instantly (looks like ) reminded me of Drambo. Which explains my comment. I find myself having to do a lot of explaining myself in this forum. Could this forum possibly be that dense, or is it that I’m unliked…we’ll go with the latter. I will have to see what this offers that other grooveboxes don’t. I am simply basing this off of FRMZ which isn’t at all that impressive when compared to other granular samplers. I also didn’t like the ‘make beats or make music’ tagline…maybe they don’t want to make money? I didn’t realize that the making of beats was a different process than the making of music….Oh, because it isn’t. Now let’s see how many of you come to argue that somehow it is …hahaha what a sh*t show.

AudioGus

@Littlewoodg said:
Went all-in immediately

I am quite tempted by that preorder. The idea of a nice cross platform ios/vst groovebox could be damn sweet.

jwmmakerofmusic

This looks like fun! Can't wait to get my hands on it to see what I can make.

Poppadocrock

@Simon said:

@Poppadocrock said:

@Cambler said:
Looks interesting. Wondering what the pricing will is for iPad.

It might be similar to LK or Tracktor where it’s free but IAPs to unlock features… just guessing, but that’s the approach they seem to take.

The web site says it is a "paid download".

Interesting.

Littlewoodg

@AudioGus said:

@Littlewoodg said:
Went all-in immediately

I am quite tempted by that preorder. The idea of a nice cross platform ios/vst groovebox could be damn sweet.

i actually paid without really being clear if that desktop pre-order includes the ios. Occurs to me now, probably not!

rvr

It says PC version has free demo, so at least you can try before pay

Jumpercollins

Apparently it’s only just entered early beta so may be a while yet before it’s available.

Littlewoodg

@MrSmileZ said:

@ehehehe said:

@MrSmileZ said:
Why does this remind me of Drambo a lot?

Because you've never used another groovebox? It doesn't look like a modular app where you can make instruments, but a sketchpad for making songs.

I’ve used many groove boxes in both software and hardware, so not it. It instantly (looks like ) reminded me of Drambo. Which explains my comment. I find myself having to do a lot of explaining myself in this forum. Could this forum possibly be that dense, or is it that I’m unliked…we’ll go with the latter. I will have to see what this offers that other grooveboxes don’t. I am simply basing this off of FRMZ which isn’t at all that impressive when compared to other granular samplers. I also didn’t like the ‘make beats or make music’ tagline…maybe they don’t want to make money? I didn’t realize that the making of beats was a different process than the making of music….Oh, because it isn’t. Now let’s see how many of you come to argue that somehow it is …hahaha what a sh*t show.

i for one understood exactly what you meant, it reminds me of Drambo as well.

And i agree, the ad copy is goofy - an attempt to be inclusive of a range of users ends up being off-putting to some users. A bit tone deaf excuse the pun.

Anne_Fetamin

@Littlewoodg said:

@MrSmileZ said:

@ehehehe said:

@MrSmileZ said:
Why does this remind me of Drambo a lot?

Because you've never used another groovebox? It doesn't look like a modular app where you can make instruments, but a sketchpad for making songs.

I’ve used many groove boxes in both software and hardware, so not it. It instantly (looks like ) reminded me of Drambo. Which explains my comment. I find myself having to do a lot of explaining myself in this forum. Could this forum possibly be that dense, or is it that I’m unliked…we’ll go with the latter. I will have to see what this offers that other grooveboxes don’t. I am simply basing this off of FRMZ which isn’t at all that impressive when compared to other granular samplers. I also didn’t like the ‘make beats or make music’ tagline…maybe they don’t want to make money? I didn’t realize that the making of beats was a different process than the making of music….Oh, because it isn’t. Now let’s see how many of you come to argue that somehow it is …hahaha what a sh*t show.

i for one understood exactly what you meant, it reminds me of Drambo as well.

And i agree, the ad copy is goofy - an attempt to be inclusive of a range of users ends up being off-putting to some users. A bit tone deaf excuse the pun.

Yeah, I see how 'beat maker' may be a term that doesn't resonate with everyone, especially the more mature audience, but for others it is seemingly in line with current trends for terminology used for demographics at the lower end of the age spectrum. Heck even Apple/Logic do something similar:

HotStrange

@Anne_Fetamin said:

@Littlewoodg said:

@MrSmileZ said:

@ehehehe said:

@MrSmileZ said:
Why does this remind me of Drambo a lot?

Because you've never used another groovebox? It doesn't look like a modular app where you can make instruments, but a sketchpad for making songs.

I’ve used many groove boxes in both software and hardware, so not it. It instantly (looks like ) reminded me of Drambo. Which explains my comment. I find myself having to do a lot of explaining myself in this forum. Could this forum possibly be that dense, or is it that I’m unliked…we’ll go with the latter. I will have to see what this offers that other grooveboxes don’t. I am simply basing this off of FRMZ which isn’t at all that impressive when compared to other granular samplers. I also didn’t like the ‘make beats or make music’ tagline…maybe they don’t want to make money? I didn’t realize that the making of beats was a different process than the making of music….Oh, because it isn’t. Now let’s see how many of you come to argue that somehow it is …hahaha what a sh*t show.

i for one understood exactly what you meant, it reminds me of Drambo as well.

And i agree, the ad copy is goofy - an attempt to be inclusive of a range of users ends up being off-putting to some users. A bit tone deaf excuse the pun.

Yeah, I see how 'beat maker' may be a term that doesn't resonate with everyone, especially the more mature audience, but for others it is seemingly in line with current trends for terminology used for demographics at the lower end of the age spectrum. Heck even Apple/Logic do something similar:

Is that the issue? I don’t see how beat maker is bad at all. It’s a perfectly valid avenue of music and creativity.

Anne_Fetamin

@HotStrange said:

Is that the issue? I don’t see how beat maker is bad at all. It’s a perfectly valid avenue of music and creativity.

Exactly. It shouldn't be an issue. As Littlewoodg said, it's about inclusivity, some young producers today (especially in the hip-hop scene for example) use the term 'making beats' in place of 'music production'. This is the internet however, and so everyone has the right to be triggered, outraged and offended at anything.

Littlewoodg

@HotStrange said:

@Anne_Fetamin said:

@Littlewoodg said:

@MrSmileZ said:

@ehehehe said:

@MrSmileZ said:
Why does this remind me of Drambo a lot?

Because you've never used another groovebox? It doesn't look like a modular app where you can make instruments, but a sketchpad for making songs.

I’ve used many groove boxes in both software and hardware, so not it. It instantly (looks like ) reminded me of Drambo. Which explains my comment. I find myself having to do a lot of explaining myself in this forum. Could this forum possibly be that dense, or is it that I’m unliked…we’ll go with the latter. I will have to see what this offers that other grooveboxes don’t. I am simply basing this off of FRMZ which isn’t at all that impressive when compared to other granular samplers. I also didn’t like the ‘make beats or make music’ tagline…maybe they don’t want to make money? I didn’t realize that the making of beats was a different process than the making of music….Oh, because it isn’t. Now let’s see how many of you come to argue that somehow it is …hahaha what a sh*t show.

i for one understood exactly what you meant, it reminds me of Drambo as well.

And i agree, the ad copy is goofy - an attempt to be inclusive of a range of users ends up being off-putting to some users. A bit tone deaf excuse the pun.

Yeah, I see how 'beat maker' may be a term that doesn't resonate with everyone, especially the more mature audience, but for others it is seemingly in line with current trends for terminology used for demographics at the lower end of the age spectrum. Heck even Apple/Logic do something similar:

Is that the issue? I don’t see how beat maker is bad at all. It’s a perfectly valid avenue of music and creativity.

definitely valid, and well put by @Anne_Fetamin and yourself @HotStrange

And as youve shown, Apple is using the same (inclusive) language.

Side note: as i suspect many of our comrades here are, i’m no Spring chicken. And I have adored all 3 Intua Beatmakers, the last two of which are fully fledged DAWs. Where I make both beats and longer stuff. And i have pals doing both, and making $, mostly with the beats. Pretty cool, and valid every which way.

the main reason for my post was to chime in with @MrSmileZ re: a quick read of the one app is that it is reminiscent of the other. And his note re the ad copy.

Ad copy is a funny thing, but in this case however funny i bought the license, and hope it bought me the iOS version. And hope its both standalone and optimzed for touch on Windows…should have checked all that first, but the ad copy snuck past my reservations and got the dopamine flowing

dendy

@Anne_Fetamin
Yeah, I see how 'beat maker' may be a term that doesn't resonate with everyone, especially the more mature audience, but for others it is seemingly in line with current trends for terminology used for demographics at the lower end of the age spectrum.

Term "beats" comes from HipHop and it was literally used for describing the beat loop which played as background groove for rappers to do their rap. It was really not full blown "music" in wider range, it was simply drum loop with some groove elements and maybe some sampled / chopped melody loops of actual "music" , that's it.

So maybe that is why people who are making actually "full" music are a bit sensitive to term "beats" and doesn't like when what they do is called "beat" - because "beat" really (originally) marks something which is more like just drumloop or better to describe it some loop which main point is to provide some groove / rhythm for rapper. Beats == structurs with strong (main) accent to rhythm.

In some way for example classic techno (not modern melodic techno) is very close to term "beat" too, it has lot of elements very similiar with hip hop "beats" (strong accent to drums / rhythms, lack or just mininimal amount of melodies, harmonies, progression)

Hope it makes sense. I personally would not call my music "beats" at any extend I am not beat maker and i do not make beats.

Samu

@dendy said:

I personally would not call my music "beats" at any extend I am not beat maker and i do not make beats.

I call them 'Techno Grooves'

mistercharlie

@Samu said:

@dendy said:

I personally would not call my music "beats" at any extend I am not beat maker and i do not make beats.

I call them 'Techno Grooves'

I prefer the term “foot-tappers.”

el_bo

@HotStrange said:
Is that the issue? I don’t see how beat maker is bad at all. It’s a perfectly valid avenue of music and creativity.

The reason I originally cited the statement "Whether you want to make beats or make music" as controversial, isn't because ol' fogey's like us can't stand music being referred to as beats, but because it infers that beats are somehow distinct from (real) music.

I'm the wrong side of 50, my iPad DAW-of-choice is Beatmaker 3...and I'm happily trying to learn how to make various genres of beat(Z). Perhaps I'll one day return to making music, but I can't be sure

Gdub

A ball park release date would be helpful
Don’t want this to turn in to a 100 page guessing game

RanDoM_rRay

"I don't make beats, i make music" Sounds as dumb as "I'm not a painter, im an artist. I just happen to paint to make my art." Dumb wordplay on original meaning of words. What year is it now and how is that word Beats used??

ALB

Gee - all these pissy comments about a promotional blurb. Seems like a lot of work.

I’m looking forward to hearing what the synth sounds like - l’m a fan of DRC, so I’m hoping for the best and I’m wondering if it might turn into an AUV3 host at some point.

cramdog

BTW, the two links below are to articles on recent hiphop/trap about beatmakers and loopmakers co-writing. I guess it’s like an ‘updated version’—this does not mean improved/inferior/latest version—of the relationship between Dr. Dre and Scott Storch circa "2001". (It was released in 1999.)

https://pitchfork.com/features/article/how-loops-are-changing-the-sound-and-business-of-rap-production/

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/get-to-know-the-loopmakers-behind-raps-biggest-songs/
In my environment, I could not play youtube videos without tapping a song's link.

*
Incidentally, the links below relate to the co-writing of Stephen King and Peter Straub's masterpiece novel "The Talisman" published in 1984.
(Peter Straub passed away in 2022. The Talisman may/might/could be aired on Netflix in the future.)

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2016/05/11/this-faithful-machine/

https://twitter.com/fortelabs/status/1169462898055241728

https://twitter.com/fortelabs/status/1169463591759597568

https://www.reddit.com/r/stephenking/comments/zcoa74/from_life_magazine_a_year_in_pictures_1982/

(EDITED)
When I read the first paragraph of "Music" on Wikipedia, "FRMH" came to mind as the name for the new app, but this name wouldn’t be welcomed by fans of Imaginando's apps for a certain reason.
BTW, the following links are classified information regarding the name of the app.
Read it or not, it will shorten your life span, by vague chronophobia. (a few minutes)

DRC
https://www.imaginando.pt/products/drc-polyphonic-synthesizer/help/modifiers
FRMS
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/37824/frms-granular-synthesizer-from-imaginando
(Also, there is a video on Youtube titled "How do you pronounce FRMS?")
K7D
https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/769937
LK
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209071989-Apps-for-controlling-Live-with-an-iOS-or-Android-device

dendy

@RanDoM_rRay said:
"I don't make beats, i make music" Sounds as dumb as "I'm not a painter, im an artist. I just happen to paint to make my art." Dumb wordplay on original meaning of words. What year is it now and how is that word Beats used??

Well, personally i find dumb term “beat” when discussion is about anything else that just really beats (i mean drums, percussions). Or maybe not dumb, but at least very inacurate and misleading. Absolutely admiting i dislike term “beats” when we are actually talking about music so i always appreciate jokes about this term when used in this weird context

When i hear somebody “i make beats” i always ask “you mean like you play drums ??”

I call hiphop instro “music” too. I call all music just “music” no matter of genre and structure. Calling music “beats” is just weird to me, that’s all.. Any form of artistic expression, no mater if it is more sample based or more synth based, more groove or more melodic based, even noise - all that is for me just “‘music”.

Ok ok, maybe noise is chapter on it’s own

I absolutely ignore term “beats” for anything else rhan really drum, snare, hihats and percussions.

Samu

@dendy said:

@RanDoM_rRay said:
"I don't make beats, i make music" Sounds as dumb as "I'm not a painter, im an artist. I just happen to paint to make my art." Dumb wordplay on original meaning of words. What year is it now and how is that word Beats used??

Well, personally i find dumb term “beat” when discussion is about anything else that just really beats (i mean drums, percussions). Or at least, to tone it foen a bit, if not dumb then at least very inacurate and misleading. Absolutely admitting i dislike term “beats” when we are actually talkinh about music so i always appeeciare jokes about this term when used in this weird context When i hear somebody to tell “i make beats” i always ask “you mean like you play in drums ??”

I call hiphop instros “music” too. I call all music just “music” no matter of genre. Calling music “beats” is just weird to me, that’s all.. Any form of artistic expression, no mater if it is more sample based or more synth based, more groove or more melodic based, even noise - all that is for me just “‘music”. I absolutely ignore term “beats” for anything else rhan really drum, snare, hihats and percussions.

It's mostly genre specific jargon, like calling distorted sine-waves 808s etc. etc.