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Yes there is definitely good stuff in Logic, the loops etc are handy, I guess, too. I just found I wasn't using it so would rather not waste the money 🤷♂️
I get that 100%. I’ve been on the verge of cancelling for weeks now. I loved it the first month, then didn’t touch it the second. Messed around some after that but still wanted to cancel, and now it’s suddenly starting to click more. I’m still not a DAW guy but do want a DAW around for when I need it and I think Logic makes a good case for it. I just hope whenever the update drops it includes some UI overhauls and adjustments.
I was curious on people’s favs too? I got MuRF and really like that one, I’m considering another.
So out of the 8 what are some of peoples favorites?
Yea but there are so many free and paid presets available for model 15 that I only do a minimum amount of tweaking when using that particular app.
MuRF is number one right now for sure. After that the Ring Modulator and ClusterFlux probably round my top 3, with the delay and filter finishing the top 5. I think all 8 of them are useful and sound fantastic, though. Least favorite is FreqBox right now but I’ve also spent less time with it.
Yes, preset tweaking, nothing wrong with that. But these cables everywhere it’s kind of a thing, I don’t know. I think I already do so much stuff with what I already have (and kind of understand), why making things so overly complicated you know. And I known that if you take the time and invest in workflow and functions, but I have also an art career besides this completely out of control electronic music hobby.
And that also absorbs lots of time and energy. A mind can only be stretched so far.
Definitely understand. For some I think the learning process and tediousness of patching is part of the fun. I like Modular a lot personally but I’m still learning it. The scrolling is what gets me with Model 15. If I could see everything at once I think I’d enjoy it way more.
Yes, scrolling is a good point as well I am not too crazy about. Overview of everything is the best. A pilot in a cockpit doesn’t have to scroll or jump from one page to another either. I already feel like a pilot sometimes with all these dials and functions. A ‘normal’ person probably could not even wrap their minds around what we are doing with all this audio stuff on a daily basis
Made a vid because the moog effects look real.
The delay suits mononoke. Which is maybe better than Hilda with a controller.
I had a couple mononoke tweeks like this over a year ago. So goes to show the level of control with just 5 min practice.
The setup will be Thermo and shoom on other ipad.
Everything should be setup if I make videos. The same template as when not performing. Which is cool.
Only gripe. I gained all outputs/inputs but Mononoke is better with effects on each not a blend and want the effects on the reciever ipad as the presets will be saved. Or just there when loading stems.
Which means 2 x outputs.
My other outputs are bleass voices and an Amen trigger thing perhaps.
Even though I doubt id sing whilst banging on controllers.
Id send the amen break as mono. Either with a similar sounding drum channel. Or because that channel dosent need a drum.
I think the best way. For everything to be available and keeping dual mononokes.
Theres more to setup.
Hence why the moogs are in the picture but wont be because that ipad will be for thermo etc.
Will practice and post again.
What say you.
You might want to hum through mic whilst tweaking synths.
Dont wish to give up a mononoke.
Which means.
An amen trigger will be mono but can be made stereo.
but the drums might go through resonators.
And the amen break might not but the drum sound on same channel may.
But probably wouldnt need the same additional drum sound.
So I guess its trivial to keeping mononokes.
fwiw, i'm quite liking the MF-104S now. with Legacy feedback on i'm getting lovely MemoryMan-ish ambient/psychedelic washes of echoes with high feedback & long echoes. it has a nice way of evolving as input changes even with thick, syrupy levels of feedback. echoes don't seem to break up in the gritty way MM echoes can. but it's a beautiful, expressive variation of that kind of BBD sound/behavior.
anyone have thoughts on the phasor?
im an outsider on this for sure, but i do not like these apps lol. I love Murf, but thats about it. I feel like the filter is weak, and distorts too easily. the delay is limited and messy (not in a good way) i like lo fi delays, but this one is just muddy grossness. Saturator is ok, but yah thats it, just ok. I guess i like the ring mod, but its nothing plenty of other apps can't do, and do it better.
I feel like Moog completely missed the opportunity to update these classics, into something new. why limit LFO modulation to 2 waveforms, why only a filter bank of 8 on murf. Original designs were due to hardware constraints. It can be beneficial to have limitations in the digital domain, but also, fuck that lol. Give me s&h waveforms for LFO, give me a 16 band Murf. Multimode filter?? instead of just a LPF. Ducking on the delay, basic EQ??
The cross modulation thing is a gimmick, you modulate anything with anything nowadays, just pull up whatever LFO, envelope follower, pitch tracker, sequencer etc etc .
You can still emulate something classic, while at the same time improving upon it, and making it even more awesome than its predecessor.
I guess it doesnt really matter, if you like the apps, and they spark creativity, thats awesome, i personally am just craving more from them.
I feel the same way and haven’t jumped on any of them yet. I’m not knocking anyone who is enjoying them but I’ve just been wanting more modern stuff lately. Emulations are cool but they don’t have to be limited like that. Modnetic from Surreal Machines is a great example of taking an emulation and making it something totally new
@Fingolfinzz haha glad im not alone in this. I bought the bundle, well, because im an appaholic, and love playing with new toys. I used to have access to a few of the pedals, and they were stellar, but these plugs do not hold true to the OG pedals. I wrote moog, BEGGING for more waveforms, etc. I doubt it will happen, but worth a shot.
Haha true that. Sometimes my wife will look at what I’m doing on my iPad like she’s trying to diffuse a bomb 😂 so I guess I do know a little something lol. Still love the app though, sound wise it’s one of the best on iOS I’d say. And luckily the presets and preset packs are cheap and sound amazing.
Fair enough, can’t please everyone haha. But I’d disagree on the CV connections between apps being a gimmick. It doesn’t work like a regular LFO from a singular LFO app does so it’s definitely more than just a novelty. It’s one of the bigger selling points of the apps for me. There’s a page of talk about it a couple pages back and why it’s different from a normal LFO and useful to the apps overall.
I agree they could have pushed the boat out. Too slavish to the originals, they could be so much more. The modulation between apps is not a gimmick. See my earlier comments here on that, I'm tired of repeating myself at this point 😂
I like nearly all of this, murf is definitely the absolute gem of the bunch but the others are worth having at the bundle price. Phaser is gorgeous imo. Cluster flux can be cool. Haven't got much useful out of Freqbox so far
Yeah, very limited lfo types on most of them is a major wasted opportunity to improve on the originals, but running any of your much more sophisticated lfos into the cv ins in the 'back' of the units with dc selected gives you hi res midi - try it on slow filter cut off sweeps and compare to a regular lfo.
A sound check rather than song thing ( but recorded thru Morphit )
This will be good.
A moog saturator on a Mononoke
A moog fm on a Mononoke
To Silo and Cascade.
Yeah I guess Moog should’ve made the CV ports a bigger selling point because it seems like a lot of people are missing out on it.
@Slush Model D is great but Model 15, man to my ears it has the best analog sound on iOS. I have every synth worth having and Model 15 is really the one. Got to get this one man. So good. Animoog can do stuff that that nothing else can for sure though. They’re all very good. Model D is my bass workhorse.
Yes, they should have explained in clear language that a non modular user would understand, but didn't, bit of a comms fail there I guess.
hmmm strange. I read back on your post, and understand what your saying, but i dont hear it when i test using abletons LFO. im fairly certain its not CV. I created two fx chains, and mapped a button to switch between them. One had the filter cutoff being modulated by a generic LFO, and one had the filter being modded Via CV in by the LFO from another moogerfooger. I got the rate of the lfo's pretty much in sync, and listened back with my eyes closed, just pressing the button switching between them. I listened for a few minutes before i decided i could not tell the difference either way.
If for some reason, Abletons LFO is CV, and im wrong, couldnt Mirack, Drambo, etc output CV and be mapped to knob? Im not arguing with you, just curious. I feel like having more options for modulation would elevate these plugins drastically. I was just messing about with step sequencer, random LFO's, pitch tracker etc, and it was epic. i would test on ipad, but im currently on bed rest due to an injured back, and laptop is easier for me.
Sorry to hear about your back! I'll be doing a walkthrough on these in coming days and will demo it in aum. It's clear as day to me on filter cutoff when I compare a slow sine wave modulation from midi lfos directly modding cut-off with what it suunds like when I turn on dc mode for cut-off in the 'back' of the moog filter, then assign midi lfos to the cutoff cv input. Maybe Ableton has high res inbuilt modulation, like apematrix? If so, lucky u!
ApeMatrix having hi res modulation is news to me but that’s awesome! I knew it had LFOs but didn’t realize they were hi res enough to avoid stepping. I can definitely hear the difference you’re talking about though.
I think of this more as a limitation of AUM, it looks like the only way to modulate AU params is with MIDI sources, so 128 MIDI CC steps is all you have. Other hosts/DAWs have their own modulators and automation curves that can be as fine-grained as the plugin parameters allow.
Ah, is hi res the norm? OK! Anyway ... It's something Jonatan is aware of though and would like to implement. And yes, for certain things it really does make a difference.
Maybe mincing words, but I'd say it's the default, even the AUM mappable knob to the side of plugins is "hi res", it's just the only way to automate them is with MIDI CCs.
If I only spend 40 dollars on ipad apps this year.... should this bundle be it?