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EP–133 K.O. II - Something new from Teenage Engineering 2023-11-22

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  • edited December 2023

    I contacted TE. No plans or promises for audio over usb or resampling but they have acknowledged that it is under consideration for future updates @HotStrange

    As for KO2….

    After a week with a working KO2 i will say that im hooked. This is my only experience with TE and QA issues aside, it is obvious that they have some really great designers on board up there.

    It doesn’t technically bring anything new or better than any other sampling kit I have but I’ve used it exponentially more than anything else since having it because it is enchanting and super FUN. The fact that it looks great, has a word class factory sound library, 20+ he battery life, speaker and mic built in is icing.

    KO2 has inspired me to build stands, cases and environments for it out of Legos. The knobs, battery case, speaker, etc are all classic Lego compatible. Yep. TE reminded me how brilliant Legos are.

    They did the same for many areas of sampling with geniusely deliberate limitations in KO2 PO OS. The fader and punch fx as instruments in their own right is subtle and next level at the same damn time. Not new, different and much simpler. Win.

    Overall, I rate a working KO2 as an extraordinary device and worth $300 as is. I understand it won’t click for everyone and that should be obvious within your first hour with it. If it ain’t a YES! Send it back. Easy.

    Any additional firmware updates will be great but unnecessary for me aside from bug fixes. I have BM3, Drambo, Zenbeats, SP404mk2, Egoist, Loopmix, Looper, Loopy Pro, Quick Sampler, Sample Alchemy, Alchemy, MV-1, MPC and more. There is no feature I’m missing. That isn’t the point is it? Nobody is missing any features for anything and nobody is ever going to create the perfect anything with every feature in one. No…not even Drambo.

    In fact whenever anyone gets close, people whine and complain that it’s too complicated (BM3, Drambo, Sp404).

    What I was missing was not any feature but enchantment and wonder. Creating music on an iPad glass is not at all enchanting. To be consistently engaged even, it requires me to pull out midi gear which requires me to think about routing, cables and a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with how I initially feel when inspired to create. Pooof!!! Insp gone. Then I spend time swiping between pages of apps, YouTube, etc trying to find it again. Most times, iPad sessions end with mindless incomplete doodles—not complete expressions.

    For me, using my iPad/ios apps as modules within my HW ecosystem unlocks its brilliance not the other way. Samplers and Logic are the brains of my process. KO2 is the newest, sexiest most accessible of my samplers.

    It can sit on my lap, nightstand, coffee table, pillow, etc and take up less space than a magazine so it will even be used where I normally wouldn’t have been thinking about making music. Times when even my phone screen is on timeout to give my eyes a break or being charged.

    Teenage engineering figured out how to trap Inspiration. Better, they mastered enchantment first—trapping spell later. Harry Potter shit fr. Easy KO 👊🏽💥

  • @QuietBrian said:

    I agree with this guy. Limited function hardware offerings can be completely duplicated with software these days. Not just laptop, but on iPadOS.

  • abfabf
    edited December 2023

    Hey that's nice to read, @CapnWillie. I agree TE has figured out how to make gear that is inspirational in a way I haven't encountered before.

    I'm happy to read your post, very well expressed. After seeing videos about qc issues I almost cancelled my order but my wife convinced me not to, she said just return it if it's broken, then reevaluate. I'm looking forward to the KO2, fingers crossed it won't be doa.

  • @QuietBrian said:

    That reminds me @dreamcartel, have u seen his vid on the op1 and op1f?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @QuietBrian said:

    That reminds me @dreamcartel, have u seen his vid on the op1 and op1f?

    I watched it ages ago, and it cured the GAS temporarily. Just watched it again, but I still have GAS. Both videos are well worth the watch in my opinion. (Actually, all of his videos are well worth the watch.)


    @QuietBrian said:

    Just saw this video this morning! I'm so happy he posted something new. 😃 I agree with him that Koala Sampler is superior to the KO II. $15 including IAPs vs $300.

    Then again, there's a certain enchantment about devices like the OP-1 Field and KO II that can't be replicated on iOS. So I'm guessing that it all depends on what one personally prefers and what the budget is.


    Same fantastic Youtuber using his og OP-1.

  • So it can't sample while the sequencer is running, really?!
    And you have to hold down a pad during the entire time you sample even with threshold enabled?!

    Oh well, thankfully I have ZERO interest in the device...

  • @supadom said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @supadom said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @supadom said:
    Just build it in Drambo, will ya?

    Done.

    Ah yeah? But can it sample on the fly and slice via MIDI?

    Haven’t needed to.
    I’ll give it a try at some point soonish.

    I was imagining a situation where I route audio into one of the tracks in D with Flexi capturing the audio but the first hurdle was already insurmountable. Recording sync to pattern doesn’t record in time.

    I haven’t had any issues with using Flex to record sync to pattern.
    Just tried it.
    Except for inherent system latency it does the job.

    I also wish there was a way to slice the recorded material via MIDI so individual slices can be triggered almost immediately after the capture.

    Isn’t that what the Sampler key press mode is for?

    I need to check out the key press mode, I’ve only played with it on release and completely forgot it’s even there. 🙄

    Yeah, there’s a lot to remember. 😏

  • @Gavinski said:

    @QuietBrian said:

    That reminds me @dreamcartel, have u seen his vid on the op1 and op1f?

    OP-1 lacks an undo button? Wow.

  • edited December 2023

    @abf said:
    Hey that's nice to read, @CapnWillie. I agree TE has figured out how to make gear that is inspirational in a way I haven't encountered before.

    I'm happy to read your post, very well expressed. After seeing videos about qc issues I almost cancelled my order but my wife convinced me not to, she said just return it if it's broken, then reevaluate. I'm looking forward to the KO2, fingers crossed it won't be doa.

    I actually did initially cancel my order only to learn my wife bought two from Guitar Center. I’m very glad she did. It’s the only device that’s ever inspired her to want to play or make music with. For me, that priceless without even considering everything KO2 does well.

    Hope yours arrives working.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @QuietBrian said:

    That reminds me @dreamcartel, have u seen his vid on the op1 and op1f?

    Yes. It’s a pretty strong argument against the op1F for sure. (I’m just confused why the guy has an op1…it’s not THat much cheaper )

  • @QuietBrian said:

    For me he’s just an bla bla bla Tjing Tjong that making too much BS…

    People buy Porsches Ferraris and even Koenigsegg, but, they could buy an simple Dacia or shitty Corean car - the same goes for ALL products out there on the market…

    Some people eats expensive meat and others thinks cheap sausages is the same…

    With the same theory, why do keyboarders buy super expensive synthesizers, sometime like Yamaha CS-80 (used) for $90000 when they could buy Arturias CS-80 VST to their computers for $200 ??

    To sum it up, there’s a fuckin’ big difference between real hardware and a laptop/desktop…

  • Thanks @CapnWillie! It does send midi over usb though correct? I think I saw someone mention that earlier in the thread. That means it could double as a really cool controller for Koala, Dawnbeat, etc.

    Sampling is a huge part of my workflow and I think part of me worries that buying hardware will render all my iOS purchases obsolete but I need to remember it’s really no different than owning another app. It’s just a different workflow to use and get inspired by.

    I was already planning on getting a midi drum pad for iOS. I might as well save up a little extra and grab this and have a sweet sampler along with it. Having a built in mic is great, too. Just taking it around with you and sampling the world and making something cool out of it. The original PO33 is one of my favorite pieces of gear I’ve had for how much fun it is, so I’m sure I would love this.

    As far as no audio over usb - for now potentially - I can live with just using audio out into a usb hub/interface.

  • @Samu said:

    So it can't sample while the sequencer is running, really?!
    And you have to hold down a pad during the entire time you sample even with threshold enabled?!

    Oh well, thankfully I have ZERO interest in the device...

    Of all the negative features, holding the pad down the entire time is one of the worst I’ve seen. That’s not great workflow wise. Not a dealbreaker but definitely a feature that needs to be added in an update.

  • Something good will emerge from this i am sure:

  • @echoopera said:
    Something good will emerge from this i am sure:

    Poor poor people here, they will go nuts of envy because of the beautiful picture…

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @echoopera said:
    Something good will emerge from this i am sure:

    Poor poor people here, they will go nuts of envy because of the beautiful picture…

    I’m poor and envious 😂 looks beautiful though!

  • @echoopera said:
    Something good will emerge from this i am sure:

    Wow congrats man! Looks like a super fun setup. I hope to be in this position next year. Highly regret selling my op-1. Might get the KO as a Christmas gift to myself though.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Samu said:

    So it can't sample while the sequencer is running, really?!
    And you have to hold down a pad during the entire time you sample even with threshold enabled?!

    Oh well, thankfully I have ZERO interest in the device...

    Of all the negative features, holding the pad down the entire time is one of the worst I’ve seen. That’s not great workflow wise. Not a dealbreaker but definitely a feature that needs to be added in an update.

    I like Ricky's videos. He takes his time to learn about the gear in-depth and then, at some point, funnily, the gear doesn't matter much anymore:
    Good music doesn't care much about what gear you're using.

  • edited December 2023

    @echoopera said:
    Something good will emerge from this i am sure:

    I have no doubt. Much of that is to do with your attitude and approach. For years you’ve already proven that you’ve masterfully retained the youthful joy and wonder in re: to creating that teenage engineering surely aims to inspire in consumers.

    I can’t deny how much the aestethic compels me to use KO2 and now the rest of the line is even more attractive. Surely this was among the intentions of this release. Overcoming the initial frustration of the fader issue and receiving two operational units was worth it.

    Now, having a mixer, mic, synth and sampler all fit and look great on my nightstand, coffee table, studio desk or in my leather satchel is very compelling and may prove impossible to resist.

    I’ve been on quite a hardware spending spree this year so nother $2k gear purchase will likely raise her eyebrows — but that’s because she hasn’t driven her Christmas gift yet. Worst case I’ll watch OP1F and TX6 videos until after the holidays before deciding on more TE.

    If I do decide on more hopefully I can find a local retailer who stocks them. This way I can return if any QC issues.

    To be continued…

  • wimwim
    edited December 2023

    That was disappointing. It was a simply "Koala is great" video with absolutely no reference to differences between it and K.O. II other than a passing reference to mixing. Lazy. I don't even think he's tried one.

    Not that I disagree with that Koala is great and that gear purchases may not be all they're cracked up to be. It's just that the video isn't a comparison by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'm not gonna waste 20 minutes of my time to find out if the OP-1F video is any better.

  • edited December 2023

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @dendy said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Hope you feel happy ‘if” it now has some drawbacks (that can be fixed with firmware upates)…

    what's your problem ?

    Not any problem with you specifically (you’re a great guy here on Audiobus forum), but, the problem seems to be that some companies, likes TE, have some public “hate” that other companies don’t seems to have, albeit problem with some products…

    It’s a pity that some companies got some malicious, etc etc etc…

    Sure, Teenage Engineering makes some very expensive products, but, they can be just as fun as an new Yamaha Genos V2 for $6000 (my dreamkeyboard just now)…

    I just pointed that Ricky mentioned also some drawbacks, nothing wrong bout that, every gear has pros and cons and it’s good to know both of them before you throw money on it.. I like this gear, lot of it’s parts are cool, but those drawbacks are for me personally showster for now.. will revisit it after some FW updates..

    Btw. Ricky is incredibly positive thinking guy, which he shows in this second video where he finished pretty catchy house tune with this thing, even through some obstacles…

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    For me he’s just an bla bla bla Tjing Tjong that making too much BS…

    This seems outrageously racist - can anyone put this into a different context? I think this is permaban-worthy, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @QuietBrian said:

    For me he’s just an bla bla bla Tjing Tjong that making too much BS…

    People buy Porsches Ferraris and even Koenigsegg, but, they could buy an simple Dacia or shitty Corean car - the same goes for ALL products out there on the market…

    Some people eats expensive meat and others thinks cheap sausages is the same…

    With the same theory, why do keyboarders buy super expensive synthesizers, sometime like Yamaha CS-80 (used) for $90000 when they could buy Arturias CS-80 VST to their computers for $200 ??

    To sum it up, there’s a fuckin’ big difference between real hardware and a laptop/desktop…

    Tjing Tjong? That's pure racist, not cool

  • @Michael said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    For me he’s just an bla bla bla Tjing Tjong that making too much BS…

    This seems outrageously racist - can anyone put this into a different context? I think this is permaban-worthy, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

    This is utterly racist, as I see it

  • @Michael said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    For me he’s just an bla bla bla Tjing Tjong that making too much BS…

    This seems outrageously racist - can anyone put this into a different context? I think this is permaban-worthy, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

    Absolutely no misunderstanding detected. There isn’t any other context for that.

  • edited December 2023

    After 5 Days of using the KO here’s my take on it:

    PROS
    . Portability is fantastic (with a case of course)
    . Playability is a ton of fun
    . Getting into flow is great
    . Love the pads
    . Love the interface
    . Love the ‘Commit’ feature
    . FX are fun to use for serendipitous opportunities
    . Love love Midi per Pad
    . Love the Scales option for Keys
    . Battery life is amazing
    . Pairs nicely with other gear
    . The Design is best there is for an MPC style box

    CONS
    . Want Audio over USB
    . Want STEM export
    . Want Song Mode - Patterns are there…let us chain them
    . Let me use a Thumb drive for more storage of Samples
    . Want Live FX to work on Audio In signal
    . Want ability to archive projects-is there a way to mount the KO to the desktop so we can save our Projects?
    . TE fix your QC issues so you can focus on the software
    . Wish we had endless encoders
    . OP-1 Field level time stretching
    . More EP instruments now that we have this beautiful one.

    Well…that’s my POV for now…hopefully i can keep these words…unlike the words I’ve eaten from another company 😉👊🏼🎚️

  • @Michael said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    For me he’s just an bla bla bla Tjing Tjong that making too much BS…

    This seems outrageously racist - can anyone put this into a different context? I think this is permaban-worthy, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

    Yeah - it was a bit of an eye opener when I read it.

  • @Michael said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    For me he’s just an bla bla bla Tjing Tjong that making too much BS…

    This seems outrageously racist - can anyone put this into a different context? I think this is permaban-worthy, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

    You made the right call Michael. Sure Errka can have an opinion and dislike the youtuber and his channel and has a right to his opinion, but then he had to go on and say those two words? 🤦‍♂️ Fml, that is so racist! Thank you for banning him.

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