Cubasis 3.6 and New Instruments available...

LFS

Hi all,

@ninobeatz already posted the news.

We've received a few posts from users in our Cubasis forum who reported problems downloading the HALion Sonics Selection IAP content.

To address this, we've released Cubasis 3.6.1 for iOS today which allows to resume the download from the point it failed (which was not the case before).

If you encounter HSS content download issues, simply tap the download button again, and it will resume from the point it stopped before, enabling all users to finish the download.

Warm greetings
& stay safe,
Lars

Jerry

@Samu said:

@Jerry said:
Anyone got tips on using keyswitches/articulations in an easier manner? I'm trying to make a rather complex guitar lead but it's kind of tedious going back and forth between the lowest notes and the c5-c7 range lol.

Only 'work-around' is to use an external keyboard for the C5-C7 range and touch-screen for the articulations.
If they on-screen keyboard had two rows with separate octave ranges this would not be an issue

honestly, programming in quick articualtion switches manually is probably going to be the fastest way. I found I can create an "artiuclation track" and route articulations to my "intsrument track" to edit a bit easier.

It'd be nice if there were articulation maps with clear labels, though. Would that be possible for the dev team down the line? @LFS

gusgranite

@Samu said:

@ChoopCGen said:
yes I saw the parameter and that's why I found this surprising! but in fact it’s there! I hope they do what you mention!

We as end-users can always wish for a thing or two but the decision to implement stuff is not in our hands

Absolutely. That’s what it comes down to in the end, isn’t it? You make your feature request and then have to respect the developer’s final decision.

ecou

@LFS said:

@ecou said:
@LFS While you are open to suggestions. What about smaller updates but more frequently. I get that it's not always possible because some things take a long time for your small team.

But people would welcome more frequent update I think. Anybody agree ?

Hi @ecou

Thanks for you suggestion!

Releasing a Cubasis update often takes several months of alpha, beta and release testings. Especially in the beta and release phase the engineering has to focus on fixing and improving issues, taking them away to develop features.

But I fully understand the need and we will discuss this option in the team.

Thanks again,
Lars

Than you for the honest reply.

drconfusion

Hi @LFS / Lars,
Some of these new Halion Sonic Selections sounds are controlled in the VLX/Keyswitch method. But some are labelled as "NoteExpression".

Are those presets somehow controlled in a different way than the non-Note/Epression/non-VLX presets & if so, how does one, in Cubasis, change & control parameters or timbres of NoteExpression presets?

Thanks!

ChoopCGen

@gusgranite said:

@Samu said:

@ChoopCGen said:
yes I saw the parameter and that's why I found this surprising! but in fact it’s there! I hope they do what you mention!

We as end-users can always wish for a thing or two but the decision to implement stuff is not in our hands

Absolutely. That’s what it comes down to in the end, isn’t it? You make your feature request and then have to respect the developer’s final decision.

One envelope on a synth i think it's a good feature ...

vdk_john

Hey Samu,
Hope you don't mind me asking, but what are exactly your credentials when it comes to writing software? Think those would be useful context to keep the discussion constructive when you criticise an entire team and suggest getting people fired for Xmas 😅

@Samu said:

@Telstar5 said:
@LFS : Those demo clips that Dom did couldn’t be better .. Dom is among the very best at what he does. Add to the list (Jamie Mollander /Soundtestroom) Jade Starr who is coming out with a 3.6 video on Friday. He’s already stated he’s blown away by the sounds. Neo FM is just so good .. And I hope we will see @Samu back at one point . I think his gripes are a great “to do” list for Cubasis and where it needs to go in the future (mixing time signatures , tempo track, improved sampler track etc.

I didn't say I would be 'gone for good' but since I feel mostly ignored and the things we've all been asking for for ages are 'no brainers' I'm just puzzled that a simple search for AUv3's from a text based list that iOS returns to the developer when they querie for installed plug-ins has proven to become an 'impossible task' for the 'Highly Efficient' Cubasis Team I've decided to stay low...(There is really NO EXCUSE for leaving this un-implemented, even a SLOW programmer can do this in less than 30 minutes!).

Let's start with these audio-editing issues which have been there for ages since Cubasis 1.5 or something like that and there's been practically ZERO real improvement to the way audio is edited in Cubasis, maybe some just prefer the 'Glorified Tape-Recorder' approach and never edit the stuff they record?!

"When you use the scissor tool on the time-line to cut/slice an audio event and then go to 'edit' the slice/audio (so you can normalize and add fade in/out, reverse a portion etc.) you can't see the start & end markers of the 'slice' you just created on the time-line, you have to manually do the selection again...". Like really?

"The 'resolution' of the selection tool also depends whether the ruler is shown in bars/beats or time, even with the 'snap grid' turned off the selection snaps to ~1/128 in 'bars/beats' mode and ~10 samples in time mode so you can NOT do sample-accurate selection or edits..".

And to show @LFS and others that I'm NOT 'hater' I've actually purchased all the IAPs so this is definitely NOT about the money!

I'd say pay Blip/NS2 developer GOOD MONEY to implement a piano-roll and fire those who have created the current mess...
Or better yet go down on knees at Yamaha HQ and ask for the source to the Piano-Roll in Yamaha Mobile Music Studio which has the most full featured and well implemented piano-roll I've see on the iPad! (Graphics look a bit dated but ALL the features are there and the touch-implementation is close to perfection!).

And I do hope we'll see full editing capabilities for the FM Classics, I mean consult the people who programmed Yamaha's FM Essentials.app, they managed to squeeze in a FULL FM-Editor with filters and effects that sound far superior to the FM Classic that is included with Cubasis...

I will keep Cubasis installed since I need to to very functionality of the AUv3's I do beta-testing on...
...I don't do beta to 'get early access' or 'freebies', I do it because I see an opportunity to make things better for all of us!

Sorry for another long messages which will like also go un-noticed...

Cheers!

eross

anyone else having issues with sustain pedal. i’m trying g to play the piano with my midi keyboard. i have a sustain pedal plugged in but instead of piano sustaining, it mutes the piano.
anyone no how to fix this?

tekk

Took forever to continue the Halion download because it kept stopping, but totally worth it. Haven't played with keys yet, but the selection seems very solid for the price. Best rompler on the platformform?

Sound of the DX7 patches is bang on and what I remember from playing one. Somewhat underwhelmed with the TX817 presets at first playthrough, with so little to adjust there's little of the classic techno monster to be coerced out, but lots of almost unusable old shit. The sound seems legit and it deserves to be tweaked. Or at least have more classic techno presets, preferably free since it is locked into Cubasis.

NeoFM was less interesting, great "modern-FM"-sounds by themselves, but again extremely limited. Aparillo will still be my go to for innovative FM sounds unless there are plans for opening this up.

I get that Halion needs samples, and the TX uses some, but a page or more with stuff to adjust on the FM engine would make them more like synths and not romplers. I want to a reason to delete KQ Dixie, but this ain't it so far. And I don't expect that to change.

All new additions absolutely ALL NEED an envelope, just AD would help immensely.

Can someone confirm that this is Yamaha code or people, like official heritage? I just find the omission of that logo a bit weird.

Still get stuck keys on the built-in keyboard, but they unstuck by repressing so no big problem. That every midi track defaults to the Microsonic Acoustic Piano, requiring that extra back press along with no search reminds me of why I left Cubasis for AUM. It's just too tedious lining stuff up in this way before playing.

HotStrange

@tekk said:
Took forever to continue the Halion download because it kept stopping, but totally worth it. Haven't played with keys yet, but the selection seems very solid for the price. Best rompler on the platformform?

Sound of the DX7 patches is bang on and what I remember from playing one. Somewhat underwhelmed with the TX817 presets at first playthrough, with so little to adjust there's little of the classic techno monster to be coerced out, but lots of almost unusable old shit. The sound seems legit and it deserves to be tweaked. Or at least have more classic techno presets, preferably free since it is locked into Cubasis.

NeoFM was less interesting, great "modern-FM"-sounds by themselves, but again extremely limited. Aparillo will still be my go to for innovative FM sounds unless there are plans for opening this up.

I get that Halion needs samples, and the TX uses some, but a page or more with stuff to adjust on the FM engine would make them more like synths and not romplers. I want to a reason to delete KQ Dixie, but this ain't it so far. And I don't expect that to change.

All new additions absolutely ALL NEED an envelope, just AD would help immensely.

Can someone confirm that this is Yamaha code or people, like official heritage? I just find the omission of that logo a bit weird.

Still get stuck keys on the built-in keyboard, but they unstuck by repressing so no big problem. That every midi track defaults to the Microsonic Acoustic Piano, requiring that extra back press along with no search reminds me of why I left Cubasis for AUM. It's just too tedious lining stuff up in this way before playing.

I agree the ROMpler(s) sounds great but I wouldn’t delete anything even if it got full access to all parameters. You can’t use them anywhere but Cubasis so why delete apps you can use anywhere?

Samu

@vdk_john said:
Hey Samu,
Hope you don't mind me asking, but what are exactly your credentials when it comes to writing software? Think those would be useful context to keep the discussion constructive when you criticise an entire team and suggest getting people fired for Xmas 😅

Hey John!

The 'credential' is based on 20+ years of working in IT close to software developers, system-engineers, project managers and seeing people even friends of mine being shuffled between different teams and even getting fired for failing to deliver and/or exceed customer expectations. I didn't work as a developer but was a 'customer' and part of projects that defined the specification and also kept in touch with 'end users' to gather feedback.

In reality it's not always the single individual that is the root-cause for the issues but rather something that builds up over time and becomes part of the corporate culture. It's easer to get rid of a few individuals instead of analyzing what needs to be changed to work in the long run and when those key individuals get replaced what they prioritized will be mostly forgotten unless the customers remind of the issues that still remain unsolved...

I think that about covers it for now!

Now let us all have A Merry Christmas
Cheers!

tekk

@HotStrange said:

@tekk said:
Took forever to continue the Halion download because it kept stopping, but totally worth it. Haven't played with keys yet, but the selection seems very solid for the price. Best rompler on the platformform?

Sound of the DX7 patches is bang on and what I remember from playing one. Somewhat underwhelmed with the TX817 presets at first playthrough, with so little to adjust there's little of the classic techno monster to be coerced out, but lots of almost unusable old shit. The sound seems legit and it deserves to be tweaked. Or at least have more classic techno presets, preferably free since it is locked into Cubasis.

NeoFM was less interesting, great "modern-FM"-sounds by themselves, but again extremely limited. Aparillo will still be my go to for innovative FM sounds unless there are plans for opening this up.

I get that Halion needs samples, and the TX uses some, but a page or more with stuff to adjust on the FM engine would make them more like synths and not romplers. I want to a reason to delete KQ Dixie, but this ain't it so far. And I don't expect that to change.

All new additions absolutely ALL NEED an envelope, just AD would help immensely.

Can someone confirm that this is Yamaha code or people, like official heritage? I just find the omission of that logo a bit weird.

Still get stuck keys on the built-in keyboard, but they unstuck by repressing so no big problem. That every midi track defaults to the Microsonic Acoustic Piano, requiring that extra back press along with no search reminds me of why I left Cubasis for AUM. It's just too tedious lining stuff up in this way before playing.

I agree the ROMpler(s) sounds great but I wouldn’t delete anything even if it got full access to all parameters. You can’t use them anywhere but Cubasis so why delete apps you can use anywhere?

Because I have refunded them.

Again, that every midi track defaults to the Microsonic Acoustic Piano, requiring that extra back press along with no search for AUs are making me question my sanity after getting used to AUM. Cubasis is still great, and more snappy than LP on my low-specced Ipad.

vdk_john

@Samu said:

In reality it's not always the single individual that is the root-cause for the issues but rather something that builds up over time and becomes part of the corporate culture. It's easer to get rid of a few individuals instead of analyzing what needs to be changed to work in the long run and when those key individuals get replaced what they prioritized will be mostly forgotten unless the customers remind of the issues that still remain unsolved...

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Hi Sami,
Many thanks for your answer and for the follow up from the bit I quoted. As a developer myself (15+ year or more depending how you count) I would agree that pretty much always (unless it's a startup with a very small team and led by someone in tech) the team executing is not the one really making the decisions on features prioritisation and long term roadmap; as you said corporate culture can make all the difference.

A small off topic on this, but maybe to somewhat defend the Cubasis team (which doesn't need my defending anyway, I work with web tech, not low level languages need for digital audio 😅), but I think there doesn't seem to be a quick solution where you just embed some existing code int an existing code base (or open source it) and it fixes these issues.

I'd point the finger towards Apple instead, since everything seems to point to iOS to be quite unfriendly towards developers trying to make music software.

DAWs seems to be destined to be left with unresolved bugs and/or become abandonware

Even Logic Pro for iPad has bugs and it's imho not a coincidence that now iOS 17 has more developers friendly API for audio (if I'm not mistaken) as a result of them working on Logic for iPad..

So yep, Merry Christmas to you too (and everyone!) and let's hope 2024 brings even better things for music production on iOS 🙂

eylvy

Spinoza

I bought the new Synths. I love them!
I like those sounds better than the Logic Pro “equivalents”
Problem is, I can’t get myself to use CB3 anymore because of its quirks and limitations.
Yesterday I did a new project in CB3 after some time and it was a struggle. Just to mention one, I did not remember that one cannot even bounce a stem but needs to export the project selecting the relevant tracks and then re/importing them. Terrible!
So my question is, is there a way to use Halion in Logic maybe with Audiobus? I’m talking iOS as I’m already doing this on Mac
That would be really great!
Thank you everyone

Samu

All the DX100 factory presets would be a really nice addition to the FM Classics IAP as there's enough difference between them and the TX81Z presets to make them a worth-while addition...

HotStrange

@Samu said:
All the DX100 factory presets would be a really nice addition to the FM Classics IAP as there's enough difference between them and the TX81Z presets to make them a worth-while addition...

+1.

Also I don’t see it happening but I would absolutely jump outta my chair if they added some Portasound samples too.

wim

@Spinoza said:
I bought the new Synths. I love them!
I like those sounds better than the Logic Pro “equivalents”
Problem is, I can’t get myself to use CB3 anymore because of its quirks and limitations.
Yesterday I did a new project in CB3 after some time and it was a struggle. Just to mention one, I did not remember that one cannot even bounce a stem but needs to export the project selecting the relevant tracks and then re/importing them. Terrible!
So my question is, is there a way to use Halion in Logic maybe with Audiobus? I’m talking iOS as I’m already doing this on Mac
That would be really great!
Thank you everyone

There's no way to use Halion outside of Cubasis.

However KQ Voice Plugins has the neat Loopback utility that can be used to route audio and midi between apps. You would place the Loopback In plugin as an FX on the Cubasis Halion track. Then you'd place the Loopback Out as an instrument in Logic.

You'd have to figure out any midi routing though. I don't have Logic so I can't try to figure that part out.

ecou

@Spinoza said:
I bought the new Synths. I love them!
I like those sounds better than the Logic Pro “equivalents”
Problem is, I can’t get myself to use CB3 anymore because of its quirks and limitations.
Yesterday I did a new project in CB3 after some time and it was a struggle. Just to mention one, I did not remember that one cannot even bounce a stem but needs to export the project selecting the relevant tracks and then re/importing them. Terrible!
So my question is, is there a way to use Halion in Logic maybe with Audiobus? I’m talking iOS as I’m already doing this on Mac
That would be really great!
Thank you everyone

All you have to do is freeze then unfreeze. Make sure to have 'Unfreeze deletes audio tracks' deactivated in the Setup

Spinoza

The freeze unfreeze trick is neat! Thank you

ecou

@Spinoza said:
The freeze unfreeze trick is neat! Thank you

😎👍

NTKK

All the DX100 factory presets would be a really nice addition to the FM Classics

I have worked so hard on not picking up a
Dx-100 for so long - it would be a nice addition!

rototom

i cannot get the sustain pedal switch to work...
i think it should behave like a hold or latch, right?

MadGav

@HotStrange said:

@Samu said:
All the DX100 factory presets would be a really nice addition to the FM Classics IAP as there's enough difference between them and the TX81Z presets to make them a worth-while addition...

+1.

Also I don’t see it happening but I would absolutely jump outta my chair if they added some Portasound samples too.

OT but yesterday we found my sisters 80s Portasound in a cupboard, I remember it will enough to be sure it was FM. Sorry can’t remember the model without digging for it again!

HotStrange

@MadGav said:

@HotStrange said:

@Samu said:
All the DX100 factory presets would be a really nice addition to the FM Classics IAP as there's enough difference between them and the TX81Z presets to make them a worth-while addition...

+1.

Also I don’t see it happening but I would absolutely jump outta my chair if they added some Portasound samples too.

OT but yesterday we found my sisters 80s Portasound in a cupboard, I remember it will enough to be sure it was FM. Sorry can’t remember the model without digging for it again!

Plug that bad boy up! Used to have a bunch of them but it’s of them crapped out. Great little keyboards though.

vdk_john

@Jerry said:
Anyone got tips on using keyswitches/articulations in an easier manner? I'm trying to make a rather complex guitar lead but it's kind of tedious going back and forth between the lowest notes and the c5-c7 range lol.

Did you try with Isotope keyboard? That one can also be a Slide Over keyboard and I think you should then be able to use as an input in Cubasis. Maybe you can do the same with GeoShred.

Similar to what Samu mentioned, another alternative could be the Xequence Keyboard which allows you to have 2 separate rows

vdk_john

(deleted: the new Xequence Keyboard looked relevant, but seems I misunderstood the release notes 😅)

Jamie_Mallender

Cubasis’ 3.6 update saw Steinberg add Halion Sonic Selection to the mobile DAW’s shop. This IAP features 1100 high quality sounds. Here are 3 tips in a Jamie TV quickie to help you make the best of them.

belldu

@MadGav said:

@HotStrange said:

@Samu said:
All the DX100 factory presets would be a really nice addition to the FM Classics IAP as there's enough difference between them and the TX81Z presets to make them a worth-while addition...

+1.

Also I don’t see it happening but I would absolutely jump outta my chair if they added some Portasound samples too.

OT but yesterday we found my sisters 80s Portasound in a cupboard, I remember it will enough to be sure it was FM. Sorry can’t remember the model without digging for it again!

Google is your friend. Search for PSS Soundfont. I went on this nostalgia quest a while ago. There are several Soundfont players on iOS that'll work fine within Cubasis as auv3.

LFS

@Spinoza said:
I bought the new Synths. I love them!
I like those sounds better than the Logic Pro “equivalents”
Problem is, I can’t get myself to use CB3 anymore because of its quirks and limitations.
Yesterday I did a new project in CB3 after some time and it was a struggle. Just to mention one, I did not remember that one cannot even bounce a stem but needs to export the project selecting the relevant tracks and then re/importing them. Terrible!
So my question is, is there a way to use Halion in Logic maybe with Audiobus? I’m talking iOS as I’m already doing this on Mac
That would be really great!
Thank you everyone

Hi @Spinoza

Problem is, I can’t get myself to use CB3 anymore because of its quirks and limitations.

Please let us know more about it.

I did not remember that one cannot even bounce a stem but needs to export the project selecting the relevant tracks and then re/importing them.

There should be absolutely no issues to create STEMS in the Mixdown section, which is simple as this:

• Set L/R locators in the Arrange Window
• Go to "MEDIA/Mixdown" and tap "Create Mixdown" (make sure "Mixdown between locators" and "Create separate files for tracks" is enabled)

Where does it fail at your end?

Best,
Lars